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GWH said:
No, I merely discerned from you saying "Until you come to grips with that what else can be said?" that we are at the same impasse I have had with every/many tulipists on CC before you, so if you also will not see/admit that the tulip interpretation of Scripture makes God favoring the elect and hateful toward the non-elect--as any eight-year-old child would perceive if their parents treated them that way-- then I am at a loss for words! (I think only one tulipist admitted that his view does that, but he still was unwilling to amend his view!)

So, unless you have a suggestion for an argument I could use that would be more persuasive/enlightening,
what else can be said indeed?
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The impasse isn’t about “tulipism,” it’s about your category mistake: you keep insisting that unless someone agrees God must love all people in the same way and give all people the same opportunities, then God is “hateful,” but Scripture grounds God’s goodness in His unchanging nature (Mal 3:6; Jas 1:17), not in a human‑level symmetry test, and none of the passages you cited teach divine moral free will or your parental analogy; they teach that God is righteous, just, and faithful to His own character.
Your “eight‑year‑old child” analogy simply replaces Scripture with human intuition, and that’s why the conversation stalls — not because I’m a tulipist, but because you’re asking me to accept an argument Scripture never makes.
If you want a more persuasive angle, the only fruitful one is to demonstrate from Scripture alone that God’s goodness requires identical treatment of all people; until that’s shown, the discussion can’t move forward.
 
OMC said:
The impasse isn’t about “tulipism,” it’s about your category mistake: you keep insisting that unless someone agrees God must love all people in the same way and give all people the same opportunities, then God is “hateful,” but Scripture grounds God’s goodness in His unchanging nature (Mal 3:6; Jas 1:17), not in a human‑level symmetry test, and none of the passages you cited teach divine moral free will or your parental analogy; they teach that God is righteous, just, and faithful to His own character.
Your “eight‑year‑old child” analogy simply replaces Scripture with human intuition, and that’s why the conversation stalls — not because I’m a tulipist, but because you’re asking me to accept an argument Scripture never makes.
If you want a more persuasive angle, the only fruitful one is to demonstrate from Scripture alone that God’s goodness requires identical treatment of all people; until that’s shown, the discussion can’t move forward.
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We are looping again because you are again importing your words (same, identical) instead of quoting mine.
Again, just treatment only requires that the consequences be proportionate to the sin.

For example, because I have had lifelong opportunity to learn and accept the Gospel,
my refusal to cooperate with God's will would warrant more severe consequences than someone
with minimal good influences--perhaps like you?

A little child shall lead them... Did you learn nothing about fairness and kindness toward everyone from Sesame Street?
If you see no way forward, feel free to sign off your way since you make fun of mine.
 
GWH said:
We are looping again because you are again importing your words (same, identical) instead of quoting mine.
Again, just treatment only requires that the consequences be proportionate to the sin.

For example, because I have had lifelong opportunity to learn and accept the Gospel,
my refusal to cooperate with God's will would warrant more severe consequences than someone
with minimal good influences--perhaps like you?

A little child shall lead them... Did you learn nothing about fairness and kindness toward everyone from Sesame Street?
If you see no way forward, feel free to sign off your way since you make fun of mine.
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oh ok, I see what you're doing, nice try. When the Lord comes and asks what you think you are doing in his seat I can hardly wait to hear your response.
 
GWH said:
You think that way of ending the discussion is better than mine was?!
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You keep calling me things that you could not possibly know unless you were God. You will never know my heart. Oh I know what's coming next, "I can tell by the way you talk" Right, and all the scripture you keep redefining says what about yours?
 
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