THE LAW OF CHRIST

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The Mosaic Covenant contained more than just the Ten Commandments and the Bible does not use the word "Torah" to specifically refer to just the Ten Commandment. If our goal is to embody God's character traits, then we will consider any instructions that God has given for how to do that to be eternal and cumulatively valid regardless of which covenant they are under. Embodying God's character traits is the way to know, love, worship, believe in, testify about, and be one with God, so if we want to do those things, then we should follow the Torah to the extent that we are able.
Jesus did not simply abolish the Law of Moses. He fulfilled it by bringing its purpose to completion and revealing its deepest meaning. He taught that the central purpose of the Law is love for God and neighbor, justice, mercy, faithfulness, and a transformed heart.
Regarding “an eye for an eye,” the Mosaic command limited punishment so that it could not exceed the injury; it was not a command for personal revenge. Jesus went further by teaching his followers not to retaliate personally, to turn the other cheek, forgive, give generously, and love their enemies. He also rejected the idea that hatred should be directed toward enemies, taught that anger and contempt violate the spirit of “do not murder,” and taught that lust violates the inward purpose of “do not commit adultery.”

Jesus also restricted divorce. Moses permitted a certificate of divorce because of human hardness of heart, but Jesus restored marriage to its original purpose and treated divorce as a serious violation except in cases of sexual immorality. He rejected manipulative oath-taking and taught that a person’s ordinary “yes” and “no” should be truthful. He challenged strict Sabbath interpretations when they prevented healing, mercy, or necessary human good, saying that the Sabbath was made for humanity rather than humanity for the Sabbath.

Jesus also redirected the purity laws. He taught that people are not fundamentally defiled by food or by external ritual conditions, but by evil thoughts, greed, pride, deceit, hatred, and other sins arising from the heart. He emphasized that reconciliation and mercy are more important than performing religious ceremonies while remaining unwilling to make peace with others.

Some parts of the Mosaic covenant cannot be applied as binding laws in the new-covenant era because they belonged specifically to Israel’s covenant, priesthood, temple, and national system. These include animal sacrifices, the Levitical priesthood, temple regulations, ritual washings, circumcision as a covenant requirement, food restrictions, distinctions between clean and unclean animals, rules concerning ritual impurity, Israel’s festivals and sacred calendar as conditions of membership, and civil penalties administered by Israel’s national government.

The sacrifices and Levitical laws in particular are understood by Christians as being fulfilled by Christ. The animal sacrifices pointed forward to the final offering of Christ, while the Levitical priesthood and temple system were replaced by Christ’s priesthood and the new-covenant relationship with God. Christians therefore do not return to animal sacrifices or attempt to recreate the Levitical system. This does not mean that those laws were meaningless; They served their purpose within the former covenant and pointed toward what Christ would accomplish.

The continuing significance of the Law is therefore found not in reproducing Israel’s ritual and national system, but in understanding the holiness, justice, mercy, and love to which those laws pointed. Jesus deepened the moral commands, fulfilled the symbolic laws, and established the new covenant through himself: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matthew 5:17).
 
Believers are those who have died to sin, died to self, died to the world and died to the law (Galatians 2:19).
Sins is the transgression of the Torah (1 John 3:4), so you can have it both ways. Dying to sin is the opposite of dying to the Torah. Dying to sin is being set free to live in obedience to the Torah while dying to the Torah is being set free to become doers of what it reveals to be sin. In Romans 6, we have died to being slaves to sin in order rise with Christ in newness of life as slaves to righteousness in obedience to the Torah. In Galatians 2:19, the way to live for God is not by dying to God's instructions for how to live for him but by dying to a law that was hindering us from obeying those instructions, which is the law of sin. We need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Torah, not die to the Torah in order to become slaves of sin.

I don't know how you arrive at such absurd conclusions. No one obeyed the Law ever apart from Lord Jesus. The law was only given to Israel, not to Gentiles.
There are many examples in the Bible of people who obeys the Torah, such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. The Torah was given to Israel in order to equip them to be a light and a blessing to the nations by turning the nations from their wickedness and by teaching them to obey it in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel, so it is missing the whole point for Gentiles to reject the light and the blessing because it was given to Israel.

Being led by the Spirit is not disobeying God. Unless, of course, you believe that the Holy Spirit is not God. I can assure you that the Holy Spirit is not a murderer or a thief.
I agree that being led by the Spirit is not disobeying God, especially because the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Torah (Ezekiel 36:26-27). Someone disobeying any part of the Torah is contrary to them being led by the Spirit.

Being bound to the law is not freedom. Paul reminded us that freedom does not mean licence. You Torah observers seem to think that those who are not are looking for excuses to sin. That is not true. Being born again gives believers a new set of desires that are opposed to sin. It does not mean that a believer never sins. It does mean that his conscience convicts him that he is wrong.
In Psalm 119:142, the Torah is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Torah that puts us into bondage while the truth sets ua free. The fact that we do not have a license to do what the Torah reveals to be sin means that we are still obligated to obey it whereas if we had no obligation to refrain from doing what the Torah reveals to be sin, then we would have a license to sin. If you are not looking for excuses to do what the Torah reveals to be sin, then you agree that we should follow Christ's example of obedience to the Torah. Those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Torah are not born again (1 John 3:10). If someone has a new set of desires that are opposed to sin, then they should be in complete agreement with following Christ's example of obedience to the Torah.
 
Jesus did not simply abolish the Law of Moses. He fulfilled it by bringing its purpose to completion and revealing its deepest meaning. He taught that the central purpose of the Law is love for God and neighbor, justice, mercy, faithfulness, and a transformed heart.
If someone interrupted fulfilling the Torah as abolishing our obligation to obey it, then are interpreting that as meaning the same thing as abolishing it in spite of Jesus saying that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and in spite of him warning against relaxing the least part of it. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has the character traits that the Torah was given in order to teach us how to embody, so its purpose is to teach us how to know, love, worship, believe in, testify about, and be one with Him through embodying His character traits, which is what Jesus taught us to do, and it still has this purpose.

Regarding “an eye for an eye,”
Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it does not work to take the position that we should follow just what they said, but not what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, in Matthew 4, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3). In Deuteronomy 12, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the Torah. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying the Torah, so you should have major problems with you interpreting Jesus as doing that.

In Matthew 4, Jesus preceded a quote from what was written by saying "it is written...", but in Matthew 5, he preceded a quote from what the people had heard being said by saying "you have heard that it was said...", so Jesus was not sinning by making changes to what was written, but rather he was fulfilling the Torah by correcting what the people had heard being said and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended.

Not responding in kind is in accordance with Proverbs 20:22 and 24:29. Loving our enemies is in accordance with Exodus 23:4-5, Deuteronomy 23:7, Proverbs 24:17-18, and Proverbs 25:21-22. Not hating our brother is in accordance with Leviticus 19:18. Not lusting after a married woman in our hearts is in accordance with Deuteronomy 5:18 and 21. So what Jesus was teaching was thoroughly rooted in the OT.

Jesus also restricted divorce. Moses permitted a certificate of divorce because of human hardness of heart, but Jesus restored marriage to its original purpose and treated divorce as a serious violation except in cases of sexual immorality. He rejected manipulative oath-taking and taught that a person’s ordinary “yes” and “no” should be truthful. He challenged strict Sabbath interpretations when they prevented healing, mercy, or necessary human good, saying that the Sabbath was made for humanity rather than humanity for the Sabbath.
Likewise, what Jesus taught about divorce was in accordance with the OT.

In Leviticus 19:11, it instructs to not to swear false by God's name, so someone who was following the spirit of that law would understand that we are not to swear falsely whereas someone who was following the letter of that law would understand that we are free to swear falsely just as long as we swear by something other than God's name, which is the practice that Jesus was addressing in Matthew 5:33-37.

Some of Gods laws appear to conflict, such as when God commanded to rest on the Sabbath while also commanding priests to make offerings on the Sabbath, however, it was not the case that priests were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commands no matter what they chose to do but that the lesser command was never intended to prevent us from obeying the greater command. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests who did their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why Jesus defended his disciples as being innocent, so a hierarchy is part of the system. God could not have created the Sabbath until He had created everything else, which means that the creation of the Sabbath was the goal of everything else that God created first in mind and last in deed, so it is easy to see why someone might think that the Sabbath was the greatest commandment if they did not have the authority of Jesus to rely upon.

Jesus also redirected the purity laws.
The Greek words "akathartos" and "koinos" both refer to a type of impurity, but the Bible never uses them interchangeably, so it is an error to interpret the use of "koinos" in Mark 7 and Matthew 15 as if Jesus had said "akathartos" instead. Jesus was having a conversation about whether we can become common (koinos) by eating bread with unwashed hands (Matthew 15:20), so he was not even speaking about eating animals or about what kinds of things we are permitted to eat. Again, you should have major problems with interpreting Jesus as speaking against obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy 14 in regard to refraining from acting unclean animals. Jesus said that if we are making an offering and remember that our brother has something against us, then we should go make peace with our brother, then return to make the offering, so he emphasized our relationship wth our neighbor, but said nothing to diminish making an offering.

Some parts of the Mosaic covenant cannot be applied as binding laws in the new-covenant era because they belonged specifically to Israel’s covenant, priesthood, temple, and national system. These include animal sacrifices, the Levitical priesthood, temple regulations, ritual washings, circumcision as a covenant requirement, food restrictions, distinctions between clean and unclean animals, rules concerning ritual impurity, Israel’s festivals and sacred calendar as conditions of membership, and civil penalties administered by Israel’s national government.
While it is true that there are laws in regard to Temple practice that we can't practice without the Temple, that does not mean that we should not obey the Torah to the extent that we are able to obey. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes keeping His Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 11:44-45) and refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45). In 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are included as part of God's chose people, a holy nation, a royal priesthood, and a treasure of God's own possession, which are terms used to describe Israel (Deuteronomy 7:6), so Gentiles also get to obey the instructions that God gave for how to fulfill those roles. It would be contradictory for a Gentile to want to live as part of a holy nation while wanting nothing to do with following God's instructions for how to live as part of a holy nation. If our goal is to embody God's character traits, then the only way that we should cease to obey God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be if He were to cease to be holy. There are also many other verses that call for Gentiles to be holy, so holiness is not just for Jews.

The animal sacrifices pointed forward to the final offering of Christ
The sacrificial system always pointed to Christ and we should live in a way that points towards him by obeying the Torah rather than a way that points away from him. In Acts 21:20-24, they planned to pay for the offerings of people who had taken a vow in order to disprove false rumors that Paul had been teaching against obeying the Torah and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it. In Hebrews 8:4, it refers to offerings that were still being done in accordance with the Torah, so offerings did not cease with the death or resurrection of Jesus but only ceased because of the destruction of the Temple. A priesthood led by God's Word made flesh does not involve departing from God's Word. The New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33).

The continuing significance of the Law is therefore found not in reproducing Israel’s ritual and national system, but in understanding the holiness, justice, mercy, and love to which those laws pointed. Jesus deepened the moral commands, fulfilled the symbolic laws, and established the new covenant through himself: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matthew 5:17).
The purpose of God's Word being made flesh is to lead us to embody God's Word, not to lead us away from doing that.
 
If someone interrupted fulfilling the Torah as abolishing our obligation to obey it, then are interpreting that as meaning the same thing as abolishing it in spite of Jesus saying that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and in spite of him warning against relaxing the least part of it. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has the character traits that the Torah was given in order to teach us how to embody, so its purpose is to teach us how to know, love, worship, believe in, testify about, and be one with Him through embodying His character traits, which is what Jesus taught us to do, and it still has this purpose.


Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it does not work to take the position that we should follow just what they said, but not what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, in Matthew 4, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3). In Deuteronomy 12, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the Torah. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet is if they speak against obeying the Torah, so you should have major problems with you interpreting Jesus as doing that.

In Matthew 4, Jesus preceded a quote from what was written by saying "it is written...", but in Matthew 5, he preceded a quote from what the people had heard being said by saying "you have heard that it was said...", so Jesus was not sinning by making changes to what was written, but rather he was fulfilling the Torah by correcting what the people had heard being said and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended.

Not responding in kind is in accordance with Proverbs 20:22 and 24:29. Loving our enemies is in accordance with Exodus 23:4-5, Deuteronomy 23:7, Proverbs 24:17-18, and Proverbs 25:21-22. Not hating our brother is in accordance with Leviticus 19:18. Not lusting after a married woman in our hearts is in accordance with Deuteronomy 5:18 and 21. So what Jesus was teaching was thoroughly rooted in the OT.


Likewise, what Jesus taught about divorce was in accordance with the OT.

In Leviticus 19:11, it instructs to not to swear false by God's name, so someone who was following the spirit of that law would understand that we are not to swear falsely whereas someone who was following the letter of that law would understand that we are free to swear falsely just as long as we swear by something other than God's name, which is the practice that Jesus was addressing in Matthew 5:33-37.

Some of Gods laws appear to conflict, such as when God commanded to rest on the Sabbath while also commanding priests to make offerings on the Sabbath, however, it was not the case that priests were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commands no matter what they chose to do but that the lesser command was never intended to prevent us from obeying the greater command. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests who did their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why Jesus defended his disciples as being innocent, so a hierarchy is part of the system. God could not have created the Sabbath until He had created everything else, which means that the creation of the Sabbath was the goal of everything else that God created first in mind and last in deed, so it is easy to see why someone might think that the Sabbath was the greatest commandment if they did not have the authority of Jesus to rely upon.


The Greek words "akathartos" and "koinos" both refer to a type of impurity, but the Bible never uses them interchangeably, so it is an error to interpret the use of "koinos" in Mark 7 and Matthew 15 as if Jesus had said "akathartos" instead. Jesus was having a conversation about whether we can become common (koinos) by eating bread with unwashed hands (Matthew 15:20), so he was not even speaking about eating animals or about what kinds of things we are permitted to eat. Again, you should have major problems with interpreting Jesus as speaking against obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy 14 in regard to refraining from acting unclean animals. Jesus said that if we are making an offering and remember that our brother has something against us, then we should go make peace with our brother, then return to make the offering, so he emphasized our relationship wth our neighbor, but said nothing to diminish making an offering.


While it is true that there are laws in regard to Temple practice that we can't practice without the Temple, that does not mean that we should not obey the Torah to the extent that we are able to obey. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which includes keeping His Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 11:44-45) and refraining from eating unclean animals (Leviticus 11:44-45). In 1 Peter 2:9-10, Gentiles are included as part of God's chose people, a holy nation, a royal priesthood, and a treasure of God's own possession, which are terms used to describe Israel (Deuteronomy 7:6), so Gentiles also get to obey the instructions that God gave for how to fulfill those roles. It would be contradictory for a Gentile to want to live as part of a holy nation while wanting nothing to do with following God's instructions for how to live as part of a holy nation. If our goal is to embody God's character traits, then the only way that we should cease to obey God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be if He were to cease to be holy. There are also many other verses that call for Gentiles to be holy, so holiness is not just for Jews.


The sacrificial system always pointed to Christ and we should live in a way that points towards him by obeying the Torah rather than a way that points away from him. In Acts 21:20-24, they planned to pay for the offerings of people who had taken a vow in order to disprove false rumors that Paul had been teaching against obeying the Torah and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it. In Hebrews 8:4, it refers to offerings that were still being done in accordance with the Torah, so offerings did not cease with the death or resurrection of Jesus but only ceased because of the destruction of the Temple. A priesthood led by God's Word made flesh does not involve departing from God's Word. The New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33).


The purpose of God's Word being made flesh is to lead us to embody God's Word, not to lead us away from doing that.


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clarify for me simply , tell me what laws you mean here in what you said so i can be certain of what you mean"The New Covenant still involves following the Torah.


I think Jesus was clear about the Law and being master and Lord of the Law himself he can certainly interpret it for us as he wishes and did, since he gave it to us himself on mount Sinai.

You forget the the change the Holy spirit brought on his believers ( from tables of stone to our flesh minds , hearts) that is why Jesus came so we can have the Holy Spirit and keep His laws from our hearts and minds, it is part of his believers now and it changes everything. we know the law we know what to do and not do, it is part of us ( his believers) now.
 
THE LAW OF CHRIST

"The law of Christ” is not presented in Scripture as a replacement law with a new numbered code. It refers to living according to all Christ commanded.


There is a lot of confusion about the expression “the law of Christ.” So let us keep this simple and look at what Scripture actually says.

The exact expression “law of Christ” appears only once in the New Testament:

“Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” (Galatians 6:2)

James uses another similar expression to “law of Christ.” He speaks instead of the “royal law”:

“If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself,’ you do well.” (James 2:8)

James then immediately speaks about the commandments against adultery and murder. He does not say that the Ten Commandments were replaced.

So what does “the law of Christ” actually mean?

The answer is found by looking at Christ Himself. Jesus gave His followers commandments and told them to keep them:

“If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)

“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.” (John 14:21)

Jesus commanded us to love God, love our neighbor, love our enemies, forgive, show mercy, do good, remain faithful, and do the will of the Father. He also directed the man who asked about eternal life to the commandments:

“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

Therefore, if someone says, “I follow the law of Christ,” the biblical meaning is simply this:

I follow what Christ commanded me to keep.

That includes all the commandments Christ gave His disciples. It does not mean that Christ created a replacement law that cancels the Ten Commandments.

In fact, Jesus said:

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” (Matthew 5:17)

“If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)

So the phrase “law of Christ” should never be used as a vague excuse to throw away God's commandments. If we want to know what the law of Christ is, we should simply ask: What did Christ command us to do?

His commandments are all things He gave us to keep.
Yeshua was speaking to a Jewish audience and the only scriptures they had was Torah and Tanakh what we modern day Christians call the Old Testament.

The connection between loving YHWH and keeping His commandments is explicitly Old Testament/Tanakh language. Yeshua’s statement in John 14:15—“If ye love me, keep my commandments”—strongly echoes language already found in the Torah.

The clearest examples are:
  • Deuteronomy 7:9 — “Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations.”
  • Deuteronomy 11:1 — “Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.”
  • Deuteronomy 30:16 — “In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments…”
  • Joshua 22:5 — “But take diligent heed… to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments…”
  • Nehemiah 1:5 — YHWH is described as keeping covenant and mercy “for them that love him and observe his commandments.”
  • Daniel 9:4 — Daniel describes YHWH as keeping covenant and mercy “to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments.”
And there is an especially important passage in the Ten Commandments themselves:

Exodus 20:6 — “And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.”

That may be your strongest text because the wording is remarkably close to John 14:15:

Exodus 20:6: “them that love me, and keep my commandments.”
John 14:15: “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”

So the idea did not originate in the New Testament. In the Torah, love for YHWH and obedience to His commandments are repeatedly joined together. That gives you a strong textual basis for arguing that when Yeshua connects love for Him with keeping His commandments, He is speaking in an established covenantal pattern already present in the Tanakh.
 
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I don't know how you arrive at such absurd conclusions. No one obeyed the Law ever apart from Lord Jesus. The law was only given to Israel, not to Gentiles.

It is true that YHWH made the Sinai covenant with Israel. But it does not follow that Gentiles who come to the God of Israel remain completely separate from Israel and His covenant people.

The Torah itself repeatedly says there was to be “one law” for the native-born Israelite and the stranger dwelling among them (Exodus 12:49; Leviticus 24:22; Numbers 15:15–16, 29). Deuteronomy 31:12 even commands the stranger to hear and learn the Torah so that he may “observe to do all the words of this law.”

The prophets continue the same pattern. Isaiah 56:6–7 speaks of foreigners who “join themselves to the LORD,” love His name, keep His Sabbath, and take hold of His covenant.

Then look at what Paul says happens to Gentile believers. Before Messiah they were “aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise” (Ephesians 2:12). But through Messiah, those who “were far off are made nigh” (Ephesians 2:13). They are therefore “no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints” (Ephesians 2:19).

Paul gives the same picture in Romans 11. Israel is the cultivated olive tree. Gentile believers are branches from a wild olive tree who are GRAFTED IN among the natural branches and become partakers “of the root and fatness of the olive tree” (Romans 11:17). Paul specifically warns the Gentile branches not to boast against the natural branches (Romans 11:18).

That is not replacement theology. The Gentile does not replace Israel, and Israel does not become the Gentile church. Rather, Gentiles who were formerly strangers are brought near through Messiah, made fellow citizens, and grafted into the existing olive tree.

So yes, the Torah was given to Israel. The question is: What does Scripture say happens to a Gentile who comes to the God of Israel through Messiah?

Paul’s answer is not, “You remain a stranger to Israel.”

His answer is: You who were once “aliens from the commonwealth of Israel” and “strangers from the covenants of promise” have been “made nigh,” are “no more strangers and foreigners,” and have been grafted into the olive tree.

The biblical picture is not replacement. It is joining, drawing near, fellow citizenship, and grafting in.

And there is an interesting connection to Isaiah 56 → Ephesians 2: Isaiah speaks of the foreigner who “join himself to YHWH,” while Paul describes Gentiles who were formerly “strangers” becoming “fellowcitizens.” Romans 11 then gives you the agricultural image explaining the same basic movement: wild branches are brought into an already-existing tree; they do not uproot the tree and replace it.
 
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clarify for me simply , tell me what laws you mean here in what you said so i can be certain of what you mean"The New Covenant still involves following the Torah.


I think Jesus was clear about the Law and being master and Lord of the Law himself he can certainly interpret it for us as he wishes and did, since he gave it to us himself on mount Sinai.

You forget the the change the Holy spirit brought on his believers ( from tables of stone to our flesh minds , hearts) that is why Jesus came so we can have the Holy Spirit and keep His laws from our hearts and minds, it is part of his believers now and it changes everything. we know the law we know what to do and not do, it is part of us ( his believers) now.
The Torah contains 613 laws that all teach us how to embody God's character traits. The New Covenant is made with the same God with the same character traits and therefore the same eternal and cumulatively valid instructions for how to embody His character traits.

There are times when we should recognize that either we have misinterpreted a verse or we should reject its truth. For example, in Psalm 14:1-3, it says "there is no God", so if someone interprets that as the Bible denying the existence of God, then they should either recognize that they have either misinterpreted it, such as by taking it out of context, or that the verse is false, but they should never take the position that their interpretation is correct and the verse is true.

Similarly, while Jesus could interpret Scripture as he wished, not all interpretations of what he said are correct, and some interpretations of what he said should either lead us to conclude that we must have misunderstood him or conclude that he was a false prophet. In Deuteronomy 13, it does not leave any room to consider someone to be a true prophet and to think that they should be interpreted as speaking against obeying the Torah, so if you think that Jesus spoke against obeying the Torah, then you should conclude either that you must have misunderstood him or that he was a false prophet.

Changing the medium upon which the Torah is written from stones to our hearts does no change the content of what it instructs us to do. For example, the command to honor our parents written on stone has the same content as the command to honor our parents written on our hearts.
 
It is true that YHWH made the Sinai covenant with Israel. But it does not follow that Gentiles who come to the God of Israel remain completely separate from Israel and His covenant people.

The Torah itself repeatedly says there was to be “one law” for the native-born Israelite and the stranger dwelling among them (Exodus 12:49; Leviticus 24:22; Numbers 15:15–16, 29). Deuteronomy 31:12 even commands the stranger to hear and learn the Torah so that he may “observe to do all the words of this law.”

The prophets continue the same pattern. Isaiah 56:6–7 speaks of foreigners who “join themselves to the LORD,” love His name, keep His Sabbath, and take hold of His covenant.

Then look at what Paul says happens to Gentile believers. Before Messiah they were “aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise” (Ephesians 2:12). But through Messiah, those who “were far off are made nigh” (Ephesians 2:13). They are therefore “no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints” (Ephesians 2:19).

Paul gives the same picture in Romans 11. Israel is the cultivated olive tree. Gentile believers are branches from a wild olive tree who are GRAFTED IN among the natural branches and become partakers “of the root and fatness of the olive tree” (Romans 11:17). Paul specifically warns the Gentile branches not to boast against the natural branches (Romans 11:18).

That is not replacement theology. The Gentile does not replace Israel, and Israel does not become the Gentile church. Rather, Gentiles who were formerly strangers are brought near through Messiah, made fellow citizens, and grafted into the existing olive tree.

So yes, the Torah was given to Israel. The question is: What does Scripture say happens to a Gentile who comes to the God of Israel through Messiah?

Paul’s answer is not, “You remain a stranger to Israel.”

His answer is: You who were once “aliens from the commonwealth of Israel” and “strangers from the covenants of promise” have been “made nigh,” are “no more strangers and foreigners,” and have been grafted into the olive tree.

The biblical picture is not replacement. It is joining, drawing near, fellow citizenship, and grafting in.

And there is an interesting connection to Isaiah 56 → Ephesians 2: Isaiah speaks of the foreigner who “join himself to YHWH,” while Paul describes Gentiles who were formerly “strangers” becoming “fellowcitizens.” Romans 11 then gives you the agricultural image explaining the same basic movement: wild branches are brought into an already-existing tree; they do not uproot the tree and replace it.
Jesus changed everything, the New covenant changed everything, live with it.

Jesus sent the disciples to all the world to teach all he did and said, live with it....
 
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Changing the medium upon which the Torah is written from stones to our hearts does no change the content of what it instructs us to do. For example, the command to honor our parents written on stone has the same content as the command to honor our parents written on our hearts.
yes it does change what was written on stone was the ten commandments that GOD declared the Covenant. the rest was OUTSIDE the ark of the COVENANT.

Jesus changed everything, the New covenant changed everything, live with it.
 
No.


Agreed.


Transgressing any other command in the Torah is also counter to loving God with al our heart, mind, soul, and strength, which is why that is the greatest commandment.


Some of God's laws appear to conflict with each other, such as when God commanded to rest on the Sabbath while also commanding priests to make offerings on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10), however, it was not the case that priests were forced to sin by disobeying one of the two commands no matter what they chose to do but that the lesser command was never intended to be understood as preventing the greater command from being obeyed. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests who did their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why he defended his disciples as being innocent. This is also why it is lawful to circumcise a baby on the 8th day if it happens to fall on the Sabbath, why it is lawful to get an ox out of a ditch on the Sabbath, and so forth.

Some Pharisees had reasoned that it is unlawful to do work on the Sabbath and that healing is work, therefore it is unlawful to heal on the Sabbath, however, we are also commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves, we would not be doing that if we refused to heal someone, and no command was intended to be understood as preventing us from obeying the greatest two commandments, which is why it was lawful for Jesus to heal on the Sabbath. God could not have created the Sabbath until He had created everything else, which means that it is the goal of everything else He created first in mind and last in deed, so it is easy to see why someone might think that the Sabbath is the greatest commandment if they did not have the authority of Jesus to rely upon.


Everything in Romans 6 is about dying to being slaves to sin and resurrecting with Christ in newness of life as slaves to righteousness, not the other way around.
Exactly.
Nobody gets crucified with Christ so he can continue sinning.
In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked,
Correctomundo !
so only those who are following his example of walking in obedience to the Torah are in Christ.
By isolating Torah, are you inferring the ten commnadments ?
Much of the other Law has been put away since the resurrection of Jesus Christ...like priesthoods, sabbath keeping, feast keeping, dietary rules, and animal sacrifices.
The way to be alive in God's Word made flesh is not by dying to God's Word, but just the other way around.
God's word is the way to live, but the ten commandments are what we are now commanded to observe.

No man is made perfect by the Law's 600 plus edicts.
Evrery man can be made perfect in Christ Jesus.
 
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It is true that YHWH made the Sinai covenant with Israel. But it does not follow that Gentiles who come to the God of Israel remain completely separate from Israel and His covenant people.

The Torah itself repeatedly says there was to be “one law” for the native-born Israelite and the stranger dwelling among them (Exodus 12:49; Leviticus 24:22; Numbers 15:15–16, 29). Deuteronomy 31:12 even commands the stranger to hear and learn the Torah so that he may “observe to do all the words of this law.”

The prophets continue the same pattern. Isaiah 56:6–7 speaks of foreigners who “join themselves to the LORD,” love His name, keep His Sabbath, and take hold of His covenant.

Then look at what Paul says happens to Gentile believers. Before Messiah they were “aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise” (Ephesians 2:12). But through Messiah, those who “were far off are made nigh” (Ephesians 2:13). They are therefore “no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints” (Ephesians 2:19).

Paul gives the same picture in Romans 11. Israel is the cultivated olive tree. Gentile believers are branches from a wild olive tree who are GRAFTED IN among the natural branches and become partakers “of the root and fatness of the olive tree” (Romans 11:17). Paul specifically warns the Gentile branches not to boast against the natural branches (Romans 11:18).

That is not replacement theology. The Gentile does not replace Israel, and Israel does not become the Gentile church. Rather, Gentiles who were formerly strangers are brought near through Messiah, made fellow citizens, and grafted into the existing olive tree.

So yes, the Torah was given to Israel. The question is: What does Scripture say happens to a Gentile who comes to the God of Israel through Messiah?

Paul’s answer is not, “You remain a stranger to Israel.”

His answer is: You who were once “aliens from the commonwealth of Israel” and “strangers from the covenants of promise” have been “made nigh,” are “no more strangers and foreigners,” and have been grafted into the olive tree.

The biblical picture is not replacement. It is joining, drawing near, fellow citizenship, and grafting in.

And there is an interesting connection to Isaiah 56 → Ephesians 2: Isaiah speaks of the foreigner who “join himself to YHWH,” while Paul describes Gentiles who were formerly “strangers” becoming “fellowcitizens.” Romans 11 then gives you the agricultural image explaining the same basic movement: wild branches are brought into an already-existing tree; they do not uproot the tree and replace it.
I trust that you know that I reject the notion that the Church has replaced Israel. I've argued against that idea many times.

Being grafted into Israel does not mean that gentiles are grafted into the old covenant. Acts 15 covers this in more detail than any other controversial doctrine that was current at the time. Colossians 2 and most of the letter to the Galatians confirms that that the law of Moses is not applicable to Gentile believers. There are other references that confirm this also.

Believers have a new covenant, new birth, new creation, new life and new law. It is the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Some say that Messianic believers should still follow the laws of Moses, including circumcision. I'll not get into that aspect. It is a matter of conscience.

If it is true that we are grafted into literal Israel, then every believer should move there.

According to Paul, the law kills. The Spirit gives life. Legalists expect me to believe that God saved me so that He could put me back under the law that killed me in the first place. I have no theology degree or world wide ministry. But I have the Holy Spirit to lead me into the truth. I have access to 30 plus Bible versions. They all say the same thing: I died to the law so that I might live to Christ.

If people want to meet on Saturday instead of Sunday, that's fine by me. However, when people demand that believers meet on Saturday, obey Jewish food laws or other laws applicable to Jews, I'll declare to them what God's word has to say.

You would think that after 2,000 years, this debate would be settled.​
 
The Torah contains 613 laws that all teach us how to embody God's character traits. The New Covenant is made with the same God with the same character traits and therefore the same eternal and cumulatively valid instructions for how to embody His character traits.

There are times when we should recognize that either we have misinterpreted a verse or we should reject its truth. For example, in Psalm 14:1-3, it says "there is no God", so if someone interprets that as the Bible denying the existence of God, then they should either recognize that they have either misinterpreted it, such as by taking it out of context, or that the verse is false, but they should never take the position that their interpretation is correct and the verse is true.

Similarly, while Jesus could interpret Scripture as he wished, not all interpretations of what he said are correct, and some interpretations of what he said should either lead us to conclude that we must have misunderstood him or conclude that he was a false prophet. In Deuteronomy 13, it does not leave any room to consider someone to be a true prophet and to think that they should be interpreted as speaking against obeying the Torah, so if you think that Jesus spoke against obeying the Torah, then you should conclude either that you must have misunderstood him or that he was a false prophet.

Changing the medium upon which the Torah is written from stones to our hearts does no change the content of what it instructs us to do. For example, the command to honor our parents written on stone has the same content as the command to honor our parents written on our hearts.
You can't keep 613 commandments. It is simply not physically possible. If you break one, you break them all. So you will die a sinner. Sorry about that. That's the joy of putting yourself under the letter that kills.

Modern false teachers are those like you who try to impose the old covenant on those who are born according to the new covenant.

You have not answered my point about circumcision. Paul condemns those who try to force the rite of circumcision of Gentile believers. Yet the Torah insists on it, to the point that Moses nearly died because he failed to obey that rite. Now both cannot be true. Either the Torah applies to everyone or it does not.

God does not change. His way of dealing with people does change. Humanity was on the earth thousands of years before the law was introduced. When Jesus died and rose again, God's way of dealing with people changed once more. It's way past time that you caught up with that truth.​
 
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THE LAW OF CHRIST

"The law of Christ” is not presented in Scripture as a replacement law with a new numbered code. It refers to living according to all Christ commanded.


There is a lot of confusion about the expression “the law of Christ.” So let us keep this simple and look at what Scripture actually says.

The exact expression “law of Christ” appears only once in the New Testament:

“Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” (Galatians 6:2)

James uses another similar expression to “law of Christ.” He speaks instead of the “royal law”:

“If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself,’ you do well.” (James 2:8)

James then immediately speaks about the commandments against adultery and murder. He does not say that the Ten Commandments were replaced.

So what does “the law of Christ” actually mean?

The answer is found by looking at Christ Himself. Jesus gave His followers commandments and told them to keep them:

“If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)

“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.” (John 14:21)

Jesus commanded us to love God, love our neighbor, love our enemies, forgive, show mercy, do good, remain faithful, and do the will of the Father. He also directed the man who asked about eternal life to the commandments:

“If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

Therefore, if someone says, “I follow the law of Christ,” the biblical meaning is simply this:

I follow what Christ commanded me to keep.

That includes all the commandments Christ gave His disciples. It does not mean that Christ created a replacement law that cancels the Ten Commandments.

In fact, Jesus said:

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” (Matthew 5:17)

“If you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)

So the phrase “law of Christ” should never be used as a vague excuse to throw away God's commandments. If we want to know what the law of Christ is, we should simply ask: What did Christ command us to do?

His commandments are all things He gave us to keep.
Why not just say Law of Jesus?
 
I trust that you know that I reject the notion that the Church has replaced Israel. I've argued against that idea many times.

Being grafted into Israel does not mean that gentiles are grafted into the old covenant. Acts 15 covers this in more detail than any other controversial doctrine that was current at the time. Colossians 2 and most of the letter to the Galatians confirms that that the law of Moses is not applicable to Gentile believers. There are other references that confirm this also.

Believers have a new covenant, new birth, new creation, new life and new law. It is the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Some say that Messianic believers should still follow the laws of Moses, including circumcision. I'll not get into that aspect. It is a matter of conscience.

If it is true that we are grafted into literal Israel, then every believer should move there.

According to Paul, the law kills. The Spirit gives life. Legalists expect me to believe that God saved me so that He could put me back under the law that killed me in the first place. I have no theology degree or world wide ministry. But I have the Holy Spirit to lead me into the truth. I have access to 30 plus Bible versions. They all say the same thing: I died to the law so that I might live to Christ.

If people want to meet on Saturday instead of Sunday, that's fine by me. However, when people demand that believers meet on Saturday, obey Jewish food laws or other laws applicable to Jews, I'll declare to them what God's word has to say.

You would think that after 2,000 years, this debate would​
When Paul says “the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life” (2 Corinthians 3:6), “the letter” means God’s commandment as an external written code apart from the transforming work of the Spirit. It does not mean that God’s Torah is evil.

Jeremiah doesn’t say that under the New Covenant God would eliminate His Torah. He says:

“I will put my law [Torah] in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts.”
— Jeremiah 31:33

Compare that with Ezekiel:

“I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
— Ezekiel 36:27