Was sex Adam and Eve part of the curse

[Burn1986]

either faith is self‑generated or grace‑enabled, which is it? If grace‑enabled then we agree.

That’s a lot of terms. How bout either your saved or your not. Not sure how we ended up here from Adam and Eve. It’s kind of like “…the forest for the trees…”

 

[Burn1986]

Genesis never says, hints, or implies that “God’s command created MFW,” and it never says Adam and Eve waited until after the fall to have sex; that entire claim is built on narrative order, not on anything the text actually states.

Well, they did though. (After they were cursed). Now we just need pages and pages of VRG - Verbal Religious Garbage.

 

[Bible_Locket]

Sex wasn't part of God's curse.

Pain during child birth was God's curse
Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply before their expulsion from Eden.

God cursed the entire human race forever ,for the single choice Eve and Adam made.
Because the serpent was allowed entry,and knew the one tree to slither into in order to lead Adam and Eve to innocently disobey God's orders.

What many don't understand is,the fall was God's plan.

Unless they had children while in the garden but I do not believe that is true.

Genesis 2:1
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Eve could of been pregnant while in the garden but I do not believe that is true.

Which I believe when Adam and Eve were ousted from the garden that is when Adam knew Eve which means they had sex.

It could be that they were not in the garden long before they sinned not having time to have sex.

It could of been the day after God commanded Adam not to eat of the tree that they sinned.

If they were in the garden for a while before sinning why didn't they get going on the repopulate the earth.

It could be they were not supposed to have children while in the garden with Eve being a help mate for Adam but not having children yet.

For God said replenish the Earth but if they had not sinned they probably would of been assigned to the garden and not ventured out.

For the garden was made for them to live in that habitat not in the habitat of the world.

So God knew they would sin and be ousted from the garden where they would then fulfill the mission repopulate the earth.

Which God did know they would sin for Jesus is the beginning of creation, and without the plan of God to come in the future in flesh He would of not created anything He created, and the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

So God already had the plan of salvation for mankind before He created Adam and Eve so He knew they would fall.

It could be before the fall being in the garden having children was not part of the plan and not going to happen in that environment.

That is what makes sense to me that while they were in the garden in that setting they would of been confined to the garden and would of not ventured outside the garden.

So having children in the garden was not a part of their lifestyle yet until they were ousted from the garden and put in the world then they could have children in that setting and repopulate the Earth.

The garden was only for Adam and Eve not their offspring and they did not go out in the world.

When they sinned and went out in the world then they could have children fulfilling the command repopulate the world.

Having children in the garden did not apply for they were not in the world.

God said replenish the earth not replenish the garden.

The garden was a stand alone place only meant for Adam and Eve and children was not part of the plan there.

 

[Bible_Locket]

There isn't always blood when virginity is broken, even nowadays.

Even now days, that remains untrue

 

[OMC]

Well, they did though. (After they were cursed). Now we just need pages and pages of VRG - Verbal Religious Garbage.

Genesis never says they waited until after the curse, it only records conception after the curse, and turning that narrative sequence into a sexual timeline is exactly the kind of VRG Scripture rejects because the text gives no pre‑fall prohibition, no incapacity, and no hint that “be fruitful” (Gen 1:28) and “one flesh” (Gen 2:24) were suspended until sin. That's scripture get over yourself. If they did scripture does not record it.

 

[Researcher]

This command was before the fall...

That is debatable.

...yet they didn’t have sex until after the fall.

That is correct.

 

[Researcher]

Yep. In fact they didn’t have sex until after the fall.

Correct.

And I guess you could say that sexual desire was a result of the fall.

Correct.

I would argue that Adam did not have a “sexual” desire for Eve before the fall

Correct.

So, we can say that Adam was cursed with a sexual desire for Eve.

Correct, but why and how is the key.

Part of Eve’s curse was a desire to control Adam, and there’s a good chance that the one way she could control him, was through his one obvious weakness - sexual desire.

This is where you are losing the plot.

I will drop a hint...

The couple had no shame, i.e., they had no reproductive organs before the Fall.

 

[Bible_Locket]

Yep. In fact they didn’t have sex until after the fall. And I guess you could say that sexual desire was a result of the fall. I would argue that Adam did not have a “sexual” desire for Eve before the fall (they didn’t know they were naked until after the fall). So, we can say that Adam was cursed with a sexual desire for Eve. Part of Eve’s curse was a desire to control Adam, and there’s a good chance that the one way she could control him, was through his one obvious weakness - sexual desire. Even though Eve would try to control him through sex or withholding of sex, God informed her that Adam would rule over her. This could lead to another part of the curse - Eve’s resentment over Adam having control over her, and her being relegated to giving him sex when he wanted.

God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply,before the fall.

Sexual desire was not a curse after the fall. That is not scripture.

 

[GWH]

Sex wasn't part of God's curse.

Pain during child birth was God's curse
Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply before their expulsion from Eden.

God cursed the entire human race forever ,for the single choice Eve and Adam made.
Because the serpent was allowed entry,and knew the one tree to slither into in order to lead Adam and Eve to innocently disobey God's orders.

What many don't understand is,the fall was God's plan.

God knew the entire human race would sin and be cursed/justly punished.
We should not try to excuse our sin by blaming A&E or Satan.
God's plan included a way to be saved.
Yay!

 

[Researcher]

Eve’s resentment over Adam having control over her, and her being relegated to giving him sex when he wanted.

You are kind of sort of heading in the right direction. Sex is about making babies.

I will drop another hint...

Eve's reasoning and motivation for partaking of the Forbidden Fruit, I believe, had to do with 'the desire of women':

Daniel 11:37 - Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

To give birth...

 

[Bible_Locket]

Yep. In fact they didn’t have sex until after the fall. And I guess you could say that sexual desire was a result of the fall. I would argue that Adam did not have a “sexual” desire for Eve before the fall (they didn’t know they were naked until after the fall). So, we can say that Adam was cursed with a sexual desire for Eve. Part of Eve’s curse was a desire to control Adam, and there’s a good chance that the one way she could control him, was through his one obvious weakness - sexual desire. Even though Eve would try to control him through sex or withholding of sex, God informed her that Adam would rule over her. This could lead to another part of the curse - Eve’s resentment over Adam having control over her, and her being relegated to giving him sex when he wanted.

Extra Biblical man made mythogy.

Adding to Genesis such nonsense is pathetic.

 

[NightTwister]

It didn't take long for this thread to turn weird.

 

[OMC]

Correct.



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Correct, but why and how is the key.



This is where you are losing the plot.

I will drop a hint...

The couple had no shame, i.e., they had no reproductive organs before the Fall.

The entire claim collapses the moment you actually read Genesis, because nothing in the text says Adam and Eve lacked reproductive organs, nothing says sexual desire was a curse, nothing says they “didn’t have sex until after the fall,” and nothing says Eve’s desire was sexual manipulation; every one of those statements is extra‑biblical. And if you say "logic" took you there then you got more issues than just reading to far into the matter.

 

[Researcher]

...if you say "logic" took you there then you got more issues than just reading to far into the matter.

I realize that logic is not your gift...

 

[OMC]

Both of you use logic that ignores the text instead of submitting to it. Scripture never condemns reasoning; it condemns leaning on your own understanding when that understanding contradicts what God actually said (Proverbs 3:5).

 

[reneweddaybyday]

In Gen 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

This command was before the fall, yet they didn’t have sex until after the fall.

I believe we know only what is written in Scripture and because God's Word is silent concerning this issue, we should remain silent when God's Word is silent ... and speak about what is actually revealed in God's Word.

To speak about what is not revealed in God's Word is pure speculation on our part.

Deuteronomy 29:29 29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever ...

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[GWH]

I believe we know only what is written in Scripture and because God's Word is silent concerning this issue, we should remain silent when God's Word is silent ... and speak about what is actually revealed in God's Word.

To speak about what is not revealed in God's Word is pure speculation on our part.

Deuteronomy 29:29 29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever ...

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Scripture reveals some things/truths explicitly, some implicitly, and some via harmonizing.
Both some interpretation and some speculation may be correct and some incorrect,
so in order to apply Deut. 29:29 correct discernment is needed.
(Life is rarely simple :^)