looking for help reconciling the Sabbath with common observation?
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Which does not say Saturday is the only day Christians can have rest
You are reading in to scripture something it does not say due to preconceived ideas you got from others.
Counsel of Jerusalem in Acts 15
The Saturday peoples can never overcome the Counsel of Jerusalem in Acts 15 where the Lord did NOT lead them to include observing Saturday sabbath... unless the Saturday peoples want to claim the Apostles were being led by devils in the Book of Acts and not being led by the Lord.
If they say the Apostles were being led by the Lord at the the Counsel of Jerusalem, then they must accept the Apostles teachings as being from the Lord.... and accept observing Saturday sabbath is not applicable under the New Covenant.
But, if they don't accept the Apostles teachings as being from the Lord at the Counsel of Jerusalem then the Saturday peoples must concede that they believe the Apostles were listening to devils which is why they did not teach the people about observing Saturday sabbath.
Acts 15:28,29
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
The Saturday peoples apparently do believe the Apostles in the Book of Acts were being led by devils.
So tell every one plainly, do you believe those who do not have church on Saturday will go to hell?
Haha, you already follow the sabbath law according to them.
Did u read how they observe sabbath day? We all follow that already, according to them.
Cheers.
I don't think they go to corporate worship any day of the week. But if they do, wonderful
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
I will put my Laws into their mind and write them in their hearts.
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
In Jeremiah's day which law was He quoting.
Paul quotes Jeremiah.
The new covenant will have the laws written on our heart.
But many refuse to let the sabbath law come into the experience.
Abiding in Christ is not being disputed.
We all agree...
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
But...
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
We establish the law.
Why ? Because we love Jesus.
Please give me verses to prove that Christ did not uphold and promote the 10 commandments..
The law of Moses is different to God's law.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Psa 19:7 KJV The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:
The Lord's law is perfect...
Psa 111:7-8
7 all his commandments are sure. 8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
His commandments stand fast forever.
Jesus kept and taught all 10 commandments.
So to follow our example we should keep all 10 commandments too.
A careful study will reveal that the definition of sin is broader than many assume. "Whatever is not of faith is sin." So while an individual may not transgress the law outwardly, he/she may still be sinning because law and faith are incompatible.
"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12
Without faith, it is impossible to please God. The law works from the outside to modify behaviour by the principle of blessing and cursing. Grace operates from the inside, an inner motivation and empowerment that is not available through the law.
I have never advocated that a believer can throw off all restraint and sin with impunity. If I come across someone like that, I will declare that they are not saved. Real believers hate sin.
It is clear from God's word that Christians can and do sin still. Only in the fantasy world of the self righteous does sinless perfection exist. Hebrews tells us: "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off every encumbrance and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with endurance the race set out for us......" 12:1
If Christians never sin then there is no need to throw it off.
"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12
Without faith, it is impossible to please God. The law works from the outside to modify behaviour by the principle of blessing and cursing. Grace operates from the inside, an inner motivation and empowerment that is not available through the law.
I have never advocated that a believer can throw off all restraint and sin with impunity. If I come across someone like that, I will declare that they are not saved. Real believers hate sin.
It is clear from God's word that Christians can and do sin still. Only in the fantasy world of the self righteous does sinless perfection exist. Hebrews tells us: "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off every encumbrance and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with endurance the race set out for us......" 12:1
If Christians never sin then there is no need to throw it off.
Cooking was forbidden. According to modern Jewish interpretations, turning on a light switch is work. That's the joy of being enslaved by law. Everything has to be followed to the nth degree or the law broken.Is cooking allowed on sabbath day in ot time?
Wonder if people still do cookingon Saturday?
And people don't have any faithful God s people gathering on any day , yet they claim they follow the sabbath law by not laboring.
So who decides? You? The church has done amazing works to spread the gospel over much of the world. You will find that the differences in various traditions are relatively minor. If you want to use the apocryphal books, no one is stopping you. Just don't use them to promote doctrines that contradict the accepted books of the Bible.
Haha, yep.
But people on this thread is advocating their way of following 4th law, actually are just not work their regular job.
For example, if one sit by computer all week days, then on Saturday as long as they don't sit by computer then it is good.
Also they agree emergency workers are good to work on Saturday, that covers a lot of people.
So i really don't know what's their point?
Sure, keep ignoring the rest of the New Testament. It was written to counteract your false doctrines. Lord Jesus was a Jew, in Israel and lived as a Jew. The law was given to Israel.
Acts 15:10 & 11
"Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
If you are telling me that you obey the law perfectly then I say that you are a liar. And if you are not obeying the law perfectly then you are lost.
"All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.” Galatians 3: 1-12
Does it say God worked the 8th through the 13th day and rested again on the 14th? No, it doesn't. Why is that so hard for you to understand? You bring to the text your presuppositions instead of simply reading what is there.
Their point is to demonstrate their religious superiority compared to mere believers who cling to Christ alone.
