Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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JimiSurvivor, a few things need to be separated here.

2. Jeremiah 31:32 proves the old covenant was broken—not that the New Covenant is breakable
Jeremiah says Israel broke the former covenant, but immediately contrasts it with the New Covenant:
My point in referencing Jeremiah was to say that, in general, covenants, even those between God and man can be broken. That we are able to break the New Covenant we have with Jesus can be demonstrated in Hebrews:

26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries.…(Hebrews 10:26)


a). DELIBERATELY: ἑκουσίως: An Adverb meaning voluntarily, willingly, of one's own accord: Hebrews 10:26 ἑκουσίως ἁμαρτάνειν (A. V. to sin willfully) as opposed to sins committed inconsiderately [i.e., without thought, carelessly], or from ignorance or weakness); in full awareness and with deliberate intent. It stands in contrast to anything done by compulsion, ignorance, or external coercion. The Lexical reference goes even further adding that in Hebrews 10:26 ἑκουσίως characterizes ongoing, high-handed rebellion that parallels Numbers 15:30–31. Such sin knowingly tramples the Son of God and rejects the only atonement God has provided. The warning underscores personal responsibility: persistent, willful sin places the sinner under certain judgment (Hebrews 10:27–29).
[https://biblehub.com/greek/1596.htm]

b). GO ON SINNING: The GRAMMATICAL FORM of the word SIN that is used here does not mean simply to commit a sin or even to commit a serious sin. Instead the author uses the PRESENT TENSE PARTICIPLE of the word sin which is
hamartanontōn [ἁμαρτανόντων] to indicate that this person has fallen into an ONGOING CONTINUAL PRACTICE [or life style] of sin.

c). THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH: the word knowledge that is used here does not signify mere intellectual knowledge [gnosis]. Instead, the word is EPIGNOSIS (ἐπίγνωσις) The prefix epi has the effect of intensifying and elevating the quality of this knowledge.
[see https://biblehub.com/text/hebrews/10-26.htm]
So that it that it means:
an experiential, relational, and transforming knowledge. It is more than data acquisition; it embraces recognition, acknowledgment, and personal appropriation of truth revealed by God. In the New Testament it is always anchored in divine initiative and always bears moral and spiritual consequences.
d). All of this shows conclusively that the author's exemplar cannot mean a false convert
 
Sure, but that's not something we do so it can't be meritorious.
I totally agree, what I was reacting to were those who suggested that I suggesting that we have to constantly work to maintain salvation - as if it were like a program of meritorious work. However, our connection to Jesus is also portrayed in another way- as the organic connection that exists between the Vine and Branches It is like sharing the communion cup of life with Him. The covenant cup unites us with the Savior and out of that we experience fellowship and cleansing. This is not about performing works to EARN or make payments on our salvation. It illustrates how we receive His life and continue to commune with Him

After being grafted into the Vine we are instructed to abide, is to stay there, remain in Him and to continue to do so
If we do, Jesus promised we would reproduce fruit of His character. Of course, the opposite choice is also possible. Instead of continuing we could discontinue our walk with Him. This is why Jesus could say:
6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned (John 15:6).
As long as the branches remain attached the Vine they will not wither, nor is it possible to gather them up, and haul them out of the Vinyard to be burned.
 
Sure, but that's not something we do so it can't be meritorious.
Sure, but that's not something we do so it can't be meritorious.
We do not establish the covenant with Him but when we feel the CONVICTION of the Holy Spirit influence, we can respond to Him by REPENTING of our sins. We also can RECEIVE His testimony about the Son. Those are not meritorious works though they are necessary conditions that must exist before we will be willing to pass from death to life.

Much of what I said was a reaction to those who accused me of saying we have to constantly work to maintain salvation - as if it were like a program of meritorious works. However, our connection to Jesus is also portrayed in another way- as the organic connection that exists between the Vine and Branches It is like sharing the communion cup of life with Him. The covenant cup unites us with the Savior and out of that we experience fellowship and cleansing. This is not about performing works to EARN or make payments on our salvation. It illustrates how we receive His life and continue to commune with Him

After being grafted into the Vine we are instructed to abide, is to stay there, remain in Him and to continue to do so
If we do, Jesus promised we would reproduce fruit of His character. Of course, the opposite choice is also possible. Instead of continuing we could discontinue our walk with Him. This is why Jesus could say:
6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned (John 15:6).
As long as the branches remain attached the Vine they will not wither, nor is it possible to gather them up, and haul them out of the Vinyard to be burned.
 
I totally agree, what I was reacting to were those who suggested that I suggesting that we have to constantly work to maintain salvation - as if it were like a program of meritorious work. However, our connection to Jesus is also portrayed in another way- as the organic connection that exists between the Vine and Branches It is like sharing the communion cup of life with Him. The covenant cup unites us with the Savior and out of that we experience fellowship and cleansing. This is not about performing works to EARN or make payments on our salvation. It illustrates how we receive His life and continue to commune with Him

After being grafted into the Vine we are instructed to abide, is to stay there, remain in Him and to continue to do so
If we do, Jesus promised we would reproduce fruit of His character. Of course, the opposite choice is also possible. Instead of continuing we could discontinue our walk with Him. This is why Jesus could say:
6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned (John 15:6).
As long as the branches remain attached the Vine they will not wither, nor is it possible to gather them up, and haul them out of the Vinyard to be burned.
How do you sustain salvation? It's a gift. You can improve upon God's gift? Jesus left something undone?
 
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We do not establish the covenant with Him but when we feel the CONVICTION of the Holy Spirit influence, we can respond to Him by REPENTING of our sins. We also can RECEIVE His testimony about the Son. Those are not meritorious works though they are necessary conditions that must exist before we will be willing to pass from death to life.

Much of what I said was a reaction to those who accused me of saying we have to constantly work to maintain salvation - as if it were like a program of meritorious works. However, our connection to Jesus is also portrayed in another way- as the organic connection that exists between the Vine and Branches It is like sharing the communion cup of life with Him. The covenant cup unites us with the Savior and out of that we experience fellowship and cleansing. This is not about performing works to EARN or make payments on our salvation. It illustrates how we receive His life and continue to commune with Him

After being grafted into the Vine we are instructed to abide, is to stay there, remain in Him and to continue to do so
If we do, Jesus promised we would reproduce fruit of His character. Of course, the opposite choice is also possible. Instead of continuing we could discontinue our walk with Him. This is why Jesus could say:
6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned (John 15:6).
As long as the branches remain attached the Vine they will not wither, nor is it possible to gather them up, and haul them out of the Vinyard to be burned.
Believing, repentance, receiving are works. They are the responses one finds when God gives a new heart and spirit, and places His Spirit in them. They are actually the fruit of true conversion. They occur because someone has been placed into Christ and become a new creation.

We don't so much become attached to the Vine as we are attached to Him. We stay attached not so much by our effort, but by His commitment to us. To be sure, we are to set our hearts and minds on things above, but our success as Christians is due far more to the work of God in us than anything we do.
 
Believing, repentance, receiving are works. They are the responses one finds when God gives a new heart and spirit, and places His Spirit in them. They are actually the fruit of true conversion. They occur because someone has been placed into Christ and become a new creation.

We don't so much become attached to the Vine as we are attached to Him. We stay attached not so much by our effort, but by His commitment to us. To be sure, we are to set our hearts and minds on things above, but our success as Christians is due far more to the work of God in us than anything we do.

Well said and confirmed by the below verse.

[Jhn 15:16 KJV] – 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
 
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My point in referencing Jeremiah was to say that, in general, covenants, even those between God and man can be broken. That we are able to break the New Covenant we have with Jesus can be demonstrated in Hebrews:

26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries.…(Hebrews 10:26)


a). DELIBERATELY: ἑκουσίως: An Adverb meaning voluntarily, willingly, of one's own accord: Hebrews 10:26 ἑκουσίως ἁμαρτάνειν (A. V. to sin willfully) as opposed to sins committed inconsiderately [i.e., without thought, carelessly], or from ignorance or weakness); in full awareness and with deliberate intent. It stands in contrast to anything done by compulsion, ignorance, or external coercion. The Lexical reference goes even further adding that in Hebrews 10:26 ἑκουσίως characterizes ongoing, high-handed rebellion that parallels Numbers 15:30–31. Such sin knowingly tramples the Son of God and rejects the only atonement God has provided. The warning underscores personal responsibility: persistent, willful sin places the sinner under certain judgment (Hebrews 10:27–29).
[https://biblehub.com/greek/1596.htm]

b). GO ON SINNING: The GRAMMATICAL FORM of the word SIN that is used here does not mean simply to commit a sin or even to commit a serious sin. Instead the author uses the PRESENT TENSE PARTICIPLE of the word sin which is
hamartanontōn [ἁμαρτανόντων] to indicate that this person has fallen into an ONGOING CONTINUAL PRACTICE [or life style] of sin.
Jimi,

I appreciate the lexical and grammatical precision you brought to the table regarding Hebrews 10:26. Your definitions of hekousiōs (willfully), hamartanontōn (present tense participle for ongoing practice), and epignōsis (full/experiential knowledge) are entirely accurate.

However, your conclusion that this means a true child of promise can break the New Covenant completely collapses because you have failed to identify the specific, singular sin that the author of Hebrews is addressing, and you have misunderstood the legal architecture of a covenant.

You are treating "go on sinning" (hamartanontōn) as a generic lifestyle of moral failure or backsliding. But the immediate context dictates that the "willful sin" in view is not general immorality, but the specific sin of total apostasy—the decisive renunciation of Christ to return to the Levitical temple sacrifices.

1. The Real Meaning of Hebrews 10:26


Notice what the text says happens if someone commits this sin: "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" (Heb 10:26).
Why would the author frame the consequence this way? Because he is writing to a first-century Jewish audience undergoing severe persecution. They were tempted to escape persecution by turning their backs on Jesus and going back to the temple to offer bulls and goats again.

The author’s argument is legal and absolute: If you willfully reject Jesus, you cannot go back to the temple for safety, because God has permanently abolished that system! Jesus is the final sacrifice (Heb 10:12–14). If you reject Him, there is simply no other sacrifice left in existence to cover you. Three verses later, he defines this willful sin explicitly: it is treading under foot the Son of God and treating His covenant blood with high-handed, malicious contempt (v. 29).

2. Why an "Epignōsis" of the Truth Does Not Equal Regeneration


You argue that because they received epignōsis (full, experiential knowledge), they must be true believers. But Scripture repeatedly shows that a person can have an elevated, experiential exposure to the truth, taste its power, and still be completely unregenerate.
  • Judas Iscariot had the highest epignōsis imaginable. He lived with the Truth incarnate for three years, preached the gospel, cast out devils, and experienced the relational dynamics of the apostolic ministry. Yet Jesus explicitly stated Judas was a "devil" from the beginning (John 6:70).
  • The Unchanged Nature: Peter describes these exact same false teachers in 2 Peter 2:20–22. He notes that they "escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge [epignōsis] of the Lord and Saviour." Yet what was their actual internal nature? Peter says they were dogs returning to their vomit and swine returning to the mire. They were never transformed into sheep; they were clean pigs.

3. The Unbreakable Legal Architecture of the New Covenant

Most importantly, your entire argument hinges on a fundamental misunderstanding of covenant mechanics. You are treating the New Covenant as if it were just like the Old Mosaic Covenant—a contract dependent on human performance that man can break.
But the New Covenant technically isn't a contract between God and volatile human beings. It is an intra-Trinitarian compact established between the Father and the Son, mediated by Christ. Man did not co-sign it; Jesus Christ is its exclusive Surety (Hebrews 7:22), taking full legal responsibility for the debt.

As Psalm 89:27–36 flawlessly demonstrates, God made this everlasting covenant with the true David—Jesus Christ. The Father swore an immutable oath to the Son that He would never break His covenant or alter what left His lips, even when the Son's children stumble and require fatherly discipline (v. 30–34).

Look at the absolute legal reality of what you are suggesting: The Son has faithfully, legally, and completely taken care of the entire sin debt of His people on the cross (Heb. 10:14). If a single soul for whom Christ paid that debt were to break the covenant and perish in hell, it would mean the Father broke His sworn covenant with the Son. It would mean the Father accepted Christ’s payment but refused to deliver the purchased captive. That is a theological and legal impossibility.

4. The Author’s Direct Exclusion


The author of Hebrews completely refutes your idea that true believers are the ones drawing back to destruction. Look at how he concludes the entire warning section in Hebrews 10:39:

“But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.”
The author deliberately draws a line in the sand. There is a class of unregenerate professors who possess epignōsis, hang around the church, and then willfully draw back to perdition because their hearts were never changed. But the true Church—the children of promise—are fundamentally NOT of that group. They persevere because they have been perfected forever by the one, unbreakable offering of Christ.
 
Believing, repentance, receiving are works. They are the responses one finds when God gives a new heart and spirit, and places His Spirit in them. They are actually the fruit of true conversion. They occur because someone has been placed into Christ and become a new creation.
I think we should be careful about calling repentance and faith works since Paul so often contrasts works and faith. However, repentance and faith are they are the results of surrender to what the Holy Spirit is saying to us and doing in us.

We don't so much become attached to the Vine as we are attached to Him. We stay attached not so much by our effort, but by His commitment to us. To be sure, we are to set our hearts and minds on things above, but our success as Christians is due far more to the work of God in us than anything we do.
1. Jesus said HE IS THE VINE so it follows that being grafted into the Vine is the same thing as being attached to Him
2. I also do not see any emphasis on our EFFORTS in John 15
3. We are simply told to STAY THERE, REMAIN IN, CONTINUE IN the life of Christ.
4. At the same time, abiding in Him is presented to us as a choice
5. We are able to be joined to Christ because we have been cleansed by His atoning blood
6. Thereafter, we receive the Holy Spirit who is supposed to become the power by which we live

…19 And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20 In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you (Luke 22:19-20)
The blood sacrifice brings cleansing as well as the inner power of the Holy Spirit which enables us become like Jesus

33 “But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”
(Jeremiah 31:33-34)
 
I think we should be careful about calling repentance and faith works since Paul so often contrasts works and faith. However, repentance and faith are they are the results of surrender to what the Holy Spirit is saying to us and doing in us.


1. Jesus said HE IS THE VINE so it follows that being grafted into the Vine is the same thing as being attached to Him
2. I also do not see any emphasis on our EFFORTS in John 15
3. We are simply told to STAY THERE, REMAIN IN, CONTINUE IN the life of Christ.
4. At the same time, abiding in Him is presented to us as a choice
5. We are able to be joined to Christ because we have been cleansed by His atoning blood
6. Thereafter, we receive the Holy Spirit who is supposed to become the power by which we live

…19 And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20 In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you (Luke 22:19-20)
The blood sacrifice brings cleansing as well as the inner power of the Holy Spirit which enables us become like Jesus

33 “But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people.
34 No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”
(Jeremiah 31:33-34)
I didn't call faith a work. You do like many people here and misrepresent what people say. I'm not going to begin every post defending things I haven't said.

Grace and peace.
 
Jimi,

I appreciate the lexical and grammatical precision you brought to the table regarding Hebrews 10:26. Your definitions of hekousiōs (willfully), hamartanontōn (present tense participle for ongoing practice), and epignōsis (full/experiential knowledge) are entirely accurate.
So you accept that the exemplar being discussed in Hebrews 10 despite having full/experiential knowledge of the truth had fallen into an ongoing practice of willful sin. That is quite an admission.
However, your conclusion that this means a true child of promise can break the New Covenant completely collapses because you have failed to identify the specific, singular sin that the author of Hebrews is addressing, and you have misunderstood the legal architecture of a covenant.
Here you say that the sin the author is referring to is a specific singular sin and you challenge ME to identify which sin it is.
However, I can find no evidence in the text that he was speaking about a certain specific kind of sin. This idea came from YOU not the Book of Hebrews or its author. You hint about some legal architecture of covenant yet, since you fail to explain exactly what you mean.

I cannot respond to that either.
You are treating "go on sinning" (hamartanontōn) as a generic lifestyle of moral failure or backsliding. But the immediate context dictates that the "willful sin" in view is not general immorality, but the specific sin of total apostasy—the decisive renunciation of Christ to return to the Levitical temple sacrifices.
The ultimate danger was certainly the sin of Apostasy although that path is always rife with sexual immorality which the Bible speaks about
1 Timothy 4:1-2: “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2 Thessalonians 2:3: “Let no one deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness-the son of destruction-is revealed.”

1. The Real Meaning of Hebrews 10:26

Notice what the text says happens if someone commits this sin: "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" (Heb 10:26).
Why would the author frame the consequence this way? Because he is writing to a first-century Jewish audience undergoing severe persecution. They were tempted to escape persecution by turning their backs on Jesus and going back to the temple to offer bulls and goats again.
This is OPINION of these Hebrew Christians - weak, timid, faltering, about to give up and depart from the faith and return to Judaism. What did the one who knew them personally and who had watched them for years have to say about them?

32 But recall the former days when, after you were
enlightened [this is the same word used in Hebrews 6:4 when it says they were enlightened once for all] you endured a hard struggle with sufferings,33 sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated.34 For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. 35 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward.36 For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.
(Hebrews 10:32-36)
Yes, they had been through a lot and they still had more to endure. In his last sentence the author expresses his unity with them and encourages them to persevere in faith
39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls
(Hebrews 10:39)

The author’s argument is legal and absolute: If you willfully reject Jesus, you cannot go back to the temple for safety, because God has permanently abolished that system! Jesus is the final sacrifice (Heb 10:12–14).
But the author does not mention the temple sacrifices nor does he suggest that these Jewish believers were tempted to revert back to those practices
 
2. Why an "Epignōsis" of the Truth Does Not Equal Regeneration

You argue that because they received epignōsis (full, experiential knowledge), they must be true believers. But Scripture repeatedly shows that a person can have an elevated, experiential exposure to the truth, taste its power, and still be completely unregenerate.
Even Jesus disciples did not know Him according to His true nature. Peter first saw it when Jesus asked him:
…15“ But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.…(Matthew 16:15-18)
Peter knew Jesus personally. However, this level of knowledge about Jesus came by revelation from the Father

Epignosis does not mean personal knowledge of the man Jesus. It has to do with revealed knowledge. What does an elevated experiential exposure to the truth even mean? When you use the phrase TASTE ITS POWER are you not aware that TASTE is a Biblical word meaning to EXPERIENCE. In what way do non-regenerate taste the power of God? Do you mean they feel goose bumps?
The disciples had a human understanding of Jesus. However, Peter, James and John got much a clearer view of who He really was on the Mountain of Transfiguration.

A lot of people had known Jesus after the flesh but much fewer knew who He really was.
Therefore, from now, we know no one according to the flesh. Even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus [in this way] no longer (2 Corinthians 5:16)

  • Judas Iscariot had the highest epignōsis imaginable. He lived with the Truth incarnate for three years, preached the gospel, cast out devils, and experienced the relational dynamics of the apostolic ministry. Yet Jesus explicitly stated Judas was a "devil" from the beginning (John 6:70).
According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, EPIGNOSIS when referring to God means the knowledge of his holy will and of the blessings which he has bestowed and constantly bestows on men through Christ: Ephesians 1:17; Colossians 1:10; 2 Peter 1:2; of Christ, i. e. the true knowledge of Christ's nature, dignity, benefits: Ephesians 4:13; 2 Peter 1:8; 2 Peter 2:20; of God and Christ: 2 Peter 1:2
The Topical Lexicon adds the following:
ἐπίγνωσις (epignōsis) denotes an experiential, relational, and transforming knowledge. It is more than data acquisition; it embraces recognition, acknowledgment, and personal appropriation of truth revealed by God. In the New Testament it is always anchored in divine initiative and always bears moral and spiritual consequences. Do you still think Judas had a full measure of this?
  • The Unchanged Nature: Peter describes these exact same false teachers in 2 Peter 2:20–22. He notes that they "escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge [epignōsis] of the Lord and Saviour." Yet what was their actual internal nature? Peter says they were dogs returning to their vomit and swine returning to the mire. They were never transformed into sheep; they were clean pigs.
First it says that they had ESCAPED the pollutions of the world through the EPIGNOSIS of their Lord and Savior.
No one escapes the pollution of the world and the flesh through intellectual knowledge ABOUT Jesus. This had to be speaking of the superior, revelatory saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. The fact that they knew Him as their Lord and Savior makes the point about the kind of knowledge they had with Jesus.

Peter did speak about a reversal of their decision - how after having been cleansed they returned to what their former lives and immersed themselves once again in sin. At this point, the metaphor fails so you try to import other metaphors - that of being sheep - and mix them together to present a picture Jesus never spoke about - where sheep metamorphose into pigs and back again. These are not the lessons Jesus taught,

3. The Unbreakable Legal Architecture of the New Covenant

Most importantly, your entire argument hinges on a fundamental misunderstanding of covenant mechanics. You are treating the New Covenant as if it were just like the Old Mosaic Covenant—a contract dependent on human performance that man can break.
But the New Covenant technically isn't a contract between God and volatile human beings. It is an intra-Trinitarian compact established between the Father and the Son, mediated by Christ. Man did not co-sign it; Jesus Christ is its exclusive Surety (Hebrews 7:22), taking full legal responsibility for the debt.
The New Covenant was made between God and believers. If it was not between them why did Jesus mislead us by having us drink the cup of covenant communion WITH Him