Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Aaron56]

Important thing is to break the connection between dispensationism and support secular system.

Even if they are on dispensationism side, they still can't explain this support of secular state.

Many of them just get the saying from churches, pastors, but they themselves never dig deeper. Whatever the majority says, they just follow.

It is very dangerous to follow majority.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

 

[Churchgoer]

You expose the psychopathic nature of the dispensationalist religion there.
Israelis are not the ancient Israelites and the people of the region are not ancient Amalek.
The new covenant has happened since that time.
God has not given authority to modern Israel to commit genocides and start preemptive wars.
Jesus does not need any of us to facilitate His second coming.
We are called to follow Him, He does not follow us.

Exactly .
Do not lead Jesus!!!!

 

[Beekeeper]

People do not seem to understand that there was a time of transition between the old covenant and the new covenant, the new covenant was installed when Christ Jesus used the Roman Army to destroy the temple.

The temple is needed to follow the law of Moses.
If the sacrifices had have continued there and the ordinances with the priests that uphold them,
the new covenant would not have been understood by many people.
The long absence of a competing "authority" in Jerusalem has actually been a blessing to Christians.

 

[Genez]

Until some are able to see that there will be two different types of new heavens and earths, there will be confusion
and argumentation getting us nowhere.

Peter spoke of what will take place before we see the final new heavens and new earth.
Not to be confused with the Millennial new earth.

After the Millennium there must come the obliteration of what we now call the planet Earth.
To be dissolved in one massive manifestation of nuclear fission, destroying matter even on the molecular level.
Everything! Gone!

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away ​

with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; (nuclear fission) both the earth ​

and the works that are in it will be burned up. ​

​

Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy ​

conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which ​

the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? ​

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, the home of righteousness. (2 Peter 3:10-13)​

​

That speaks of the second New Earth. A completely new creation from God.

The Millennium is to be the first New Earth, which will be a transformation of the present one we now stand upon.

 

[Churchgoer]

The temple is needed to follow the law of Moses.
If the sacrifices had have continued there and the ordinances with the priests that uphold them,
the new covenant would not have been understood by many people.
The long absence of a competing "authority" in Jerusalem has actually been a blessing to Christians.

It is God's divine plan.

 

[Beekeeper]

Until some are able to see that there will be two different types of new heavens and earths, there will be confusion
and argumentation getting us nowhere.

Peter spoke of what will take place before we see the final new heavens and new earth.
Not to be confused with the Millennial new earth.

After the Millennium there must come the obliteration of what we now call the planet Earth.
To be dissolved in one massive manifestation of nuclear fission, destroying matter even on the molecular level.
Everything! Gone!

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away ​

with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; (nuclear fission) both the earth ​

and the works that are in it will be burned up. ​

​

Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy ​

conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which ​

the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? ​

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, the home of righteousness. (2 Peter 3:10-13)​

​

That speaks of the second New Earth. A completely new creation from God.

The Millennium is to be the first New Earth, which will be a transformation of the present one we now stand upon.

How would Jesus be able to come as a "thief in the night" if there is a literal 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth first?
Everybody would know the exact date, and His location before He comes.

 

[Genez]

Current secular Israel, jews are enemy of Jesus, so let's see how we can truly love them.

- refuse to commit murdering, stealing, lying together with the enemy, not as in ot, many Israelites instead of worshipping YHVH, they joined the enemy side and worship Baal, sacrificing babies....they supposed to lead other people to YHVH, but instead they joined the other people became followers of baal, ...pagan idols.

- be like Daniel, 3 young men, refuse to bow down to fake gods.

- telling them the gospel, tell them if they don't repent, God's wrath will be upon them.

- tell them to stop all the murdering, stealing. Expose the murdering, stealing, immoralities.

More ideas welcome.

I lived in Israel. As a Jew!
What you are saying is nuts.

What you tried to do is to is like someone taking a slice of a dark time in past American history and then claim all Americans are bootleggers and mobsters.

You are an embarrassment.

 

[Genez]

How would Jesus be able to come as a "thief in the night" if there is a literal 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth first?
Everybody would know the exact date, and His location before He comes.

The 1000 years will end in Armageddon.
Jesus will return to end the last attempt by Satan to destroy all humanity.

There will be a thousand-year reign of Christ on the new earth!

Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, ​

but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.​

"Millennium" means 1000 years!
Revelation 20:6 speaks of the Millennium!

 

[Beekeeper]

I lived in Israel. As a Jew!
What you are saying is nuts.

What you tried to do is to is like someone taking a slice of a dark time in past American history and then claim all Americans are bootleggers and mobsters.

You are an embarrassment.

My father lived in Israel as a Palestinian, and some of it would make sense to him.
None the less both he and I recognize that there are better Jews and are deeply grateful to them.
The part that deluded Christians have played in all that madness is the most grievous of all.

 

[Churchgoer]

I lived in Israel. As a Jew!
What you are saying is nuts.

What you tried to do is to is like someone taking a slice of a dark time in past American history and then claim all Americans are bootleggers and mobsters.

You are an embarrassment.

What i meant is spiritual, one is either with Jesus, or against Jesus.

Please don't take it personally. Current isreal state as a political system, they reject Jesus.

But I am sure there are people there that receive Jesus as Lord and savior. Just as in Iran, there are faithful children of Jesus too. But as a political system, irean rejects Jesus.

Whoever rejects Jesus, they are enemies of God. But Jesus died for us while we were enemy of God. I myself was enemy of God before, I would not want Christians to support the "me" 40 years ago on my sins. Would you?

 

[Genez]

How would Jesus be able to come as a "thief in the night" if there is a literal 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth first?
Everybody would know the exact date, and His location before He comes.

They will not know it beforehand.

 

[Genez]

My father lived in Israel as a Palestinian, and some of it would make sense to him.

In what sense, "Palestinian?"

Golda Meir even considered herself a Palestinian because of where she lived.

The term "Palestinian" originated with the Philistines, an ancient Greek-speaking people.

Palestine = land of the Philistines.

 

[Beekeeper]

The 1000 years will end in Armageddon.
Jesus will return to end the last attempt by Satan to destroy all humanity.

There will be a thousand-year reign of Christ on the new earth!

Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, ​

but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.​

"Millennium" means 1000 years!
Revelation 20:6 speaks of the Millennium!

Revelation 16:16
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Armageddon is a place above Megiddo the valley of Jezreel.
"Har-Megiddo" means "mountain of Megiddo" and may be mount Carmel.
There was never any battle there.
The Roman deputy rulers gathered there when they used it as a staging ground before destroying Jerusalem.

Revelation 20 never tells us that Christ is on earth during His reign.
V.4 tells us that "the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus" lived and reigned with Him.
You would have to argue that they get reincarnated to live on earth.
Reincarnation seems to be foreign to the ways of God.

 

[Revelation1v8]

You expose the psychopathic nature of the dispensationalist religion there.
Israelis are not the ancient Israelites and the people of the region are not ancient Amalek.
The new covenant has happened since that time.
God has not given authority to modern Israel to commit genocides and start preemptive wars.
Jesus does not need any of us to facilitate His second coming.
We are called to follow Him, He does not follow us.

You can throw out any name calling you want, but it doesn't change what the Bible says. You should take it up with God. He's the ONE who calls the shots and made the plan.

It still doesn't change that the Bible says Jesus returns to earth with the wrath of God prepared to battle.

Revelation 19:11-16

11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war.
12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.
13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.
15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.


God has authority to allow Jews to defend themselves from SUICIDAL AND GENOCIDAL Muslims.

In case you haven't heard, the Mulsims are trying to facilitate the coming of their Mahdi. In their mind, destroying Israel is the key to facilitate that.

You should have been called to listen to every word God/Jesus ever said about Himself and His plan for the world so that you would know what to be watching for.

 

[Beekeeper]

In what sense, "Palestinian?"

Golda Meir even considered herself a Palestinian because of where she lived.

The term "Palestinian" originated with the Philistines, an ancient Greek-speaking people.

Palestine = land of the Philistines.

Before 1948, when my father lived there the whole world called that place "Palestine".
My father and grandparents were born there, but my great grandparents immigrated there from Germany.
So perhaps his connection was in some ways like that of Golda, but he had more family history in that land than her.

Don't get too caught up with defining people by those ancient Biblical tribes.
A lot of things have happened since then, including the new covenant.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Until some are able to see that there will be two different types of new heavens and earths, there will be confusion
and argumentation getting us nowhere.

Peter spoke of what will take place before we see the final new heavens and new earth.
Not to be confused with the Millennial new earth.

After the Millennium there must come the obliteration of what we now call the planet Earth.
To be dissolved in one massive manifestation of nuclear fission, destroying matter even on the molecular level.
Everything! Gone!

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away ​

with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; (nuclear fission) both the earth ​

and the works that are in it will be burned up. ​

​

Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy ​

conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which ​

the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? ​

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, the home of righteousness. (2 Peter 3:10-13)​

​

That speaks of the second New Earth. A completely new creation from God.

The Millennium is to be the first New Earth, which will be a transformation of the present one we now stand upon.

I keep going back and forth on that one. One of the reasons I think that the Millennial Kingdom will start on the current earth is because the Bible says that it will take Israel 7 months to bury the dead bodies and 7 years to burn all of the weapons in Ezekiel 39. Unless that's a battle that takes place before Armageddon, but I always saw the Ezekiel war and the war of Armageddon as the same. Will people be burying bodies on the new earth?

 

[Churchgoer]

Before 1948, when my father lived there the whole world called that place "Palestine".
My father and grandparents were born there, but my great grandparents immigrated there from Germany.
So perhaps his connection was in some ways like that of Golda, but he had more family history in that land than her.

Don't get too caught up with defining people by those ancient Biblical tribes.
A lot of things have happened since then, including the new covenant.

Yep, one is either with Jesus, or against Jesus.
Very simple.
Play the role of Jesus God followers.
Don't play the role of God.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Before 1948, when my father lived there the whole world called that place "Palestine".
My father and grandparents were born there, but my great grandparents immigrated there from Germany.
So perhaps his connection was in some ways like that of Golda, but he had more family history in that land than her.

Don't get too caught up with defining people by those ancient Biblical tribes.
A lot of things have happened since then, including the new covenant.

But, obviously it was Israel before it was ever considered Palestine.

Here's the history:

The Ottomans never made "Palestine" an official administrative unit, but they did use the name in official contexts, especially in the late Ottoman period:

• 1880s: The Ottoman government briefly considered officially renaming the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem to "Palestine" but abandoned the idea, reportedly out of fear of drawing more foreign attention to the region.
• 1915 Filastin Risalesi ("Palestine Document"): An Ottoman Army country survey (VIII Corps) formally identified "Palestine" as a region comprising the Sanjaqs of Akka (Galilee), Nablus, and Jerusalem — essentially the area west of the Jordan River. This is the most explicit official Ottoman use of the name.
• Late Ottoman maps and correspondence: Ottoman official maps from the period labeled the area as "Palestine" or "Land of Palestine" (Artz-i Filistin), and archival documents from the 1870s onward regularly used the term, often as a synonym for the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem or the broader region west of the Jordan.

 

[Churchgoer]

But, obviously it was Israel before it was ever considered Palestine.

Here's the history:

The Ottomans never made "Palestine" an official administrative unit, but they did use the name in official contexts, especially in the late Ottoman period:

• 1880s: The Ottoman government briefly considered officially renaming the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem to "Palestine" but abandoned the idea, reportedly out of fear of drawing more foreign attention to the region.
• 1915 Filastin Risalesi ("Palestine Document"): An Ottoman Army country survey (VIII Corps) formally identified "Palestine" as a region comprising the Sanjaqs of Akka (Galilee), Nablus, and Jerusalem — essentially the area west of the Jordan River. This is the most explicit official Ottoman use of the name.
• Late Ottoman maps and correspondence: Ottoman official maps from the period labeled the area as "Palestine" or "Land of Palestine" (Artz-i Filistin), and archival documents from the 1870s onward regularly used the term, often as a synonym for the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem or the broader region west of the Jordan.

The name started when Israel was destroyed by Roman empire.
Remember Jesus time? 70ad?

 

[cv5]

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain

Hey @Aaron56 buddy. Glad to see you back.

So then what do you make of this business regarding "present age" ....."age to come"?

And this Biblically grounded pre-trib rapture business?

Are you good to go?

Asking @Beekeeper and @HeIsHere and @Churchgoer as well.

Are we all good...... .......?