Shall we sin that grace may abound?

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pinebeach said:
well la de dah :rolleyes: no kidding, eh? God has nothing to do with you disagreeing. Nothing and I have no expectation you or the get wet to get sinless gang will ever agree

it's very freeing to have no expectations when it comes to those who take scripture according to false understanding and then make
a huge fuss about it



Nah. Your response is all wet.
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If baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins is uneccessary, then Jesus died for nothing.
Whatever it is that you think washes away past sins, could have stood in His place the whole time.
 
pinebeach said:
News flash: Water does not wash away sin but I understand that you are taught that and retain that incorrect teaching.
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As it is written in 1 John 5:8, the water, blood, and Spirit are all the same, at baptism.
pinebeach said:
Water and soap does work for bathing though.
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I agree.
pinebeach said:
I'm moving on from this idea that water washes away sin. It has been dealt with many times in this forum and no scripture states
that water washes away sin unless you refuse to take into account other scripture dealing with baptism and what it is really about.
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Water washed away sins at John's baptism.
It is written..."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 4:1)
It still does, when done in the name of Jesus Christ.
pinebeach said:
Kindly don't expect more from me on your ideas.
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I'm glad they are the ideas of God.
 
wattie said:
The point is that eternal salvation happens before water baptism. The baptism is for the fact you already got saved. Compare this acts verse with most of the book of John and parts of Romans. Justified by faith without water baptism.
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You may mean conversion there, as salvation won't be assured until the day of the resurrection.
 
Freed18 said:
As it is written in 1 John 5:8, the water, blood, and Spirit are all the same, at baptism.

I agree.

Water washed away sins at John's baptism.
It is written..."John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." (Mark 4:1)
It still does, when done in the name of Jesus Christ.

I'm glad they are the ideas of God.
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Blood and water flowed
 
Freed18 said:
You may mean conversion there, as salvation won't be assured until the day of the resurrection.
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John 10:27-29 KJV
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
 
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Freed18 said:
99% obedience, equates to NOT serving God 100%.
Had anyone actuallty submitted to the Holy Spirit, he would never commit a sin.

If my familial/national/or even supposed faith brother commits a sin, he has manifested that his repentance from sin was a lie to God.
They were not my brother in Christ, as they still brought forth the fruit of Adam.

God acknowledges that those who fall away were only posers from the start.
God's seed cannot bring forth liars, thieves, murderers, or adulterers.
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What it really boils down to is that the sins you commit you don't consider as sins. That's why you think you're sinless, lol!

You don't actually believe the verses that show Christians still sin occasionally. Unbelief is a sin - and you committed it right in this thread!

But you do you. Carry on in your delusion. :giggle:


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wattie said:
John 10:27-29 KJV
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
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Makes you wonder what they are actually hearing.
 
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