The Noahide Laws

RachelBibleStudent · Nov 9, 2011

for anyone who actually cares to know the truth...

here is the actual text of the congressional joint resolution that certain people here are claiming to have established the noachide laws as being legally binding on the united states...when it actually did nothing of the sort...

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR:

basically all the resolution did was to proclaim march 26, 1991 to be 'education day USA' in honor of the eighty-ninth birthday of a famous rabbi who promoted gentile observance of the noachide laws among other things

how sinister...

Abiding · Nov 9, 2011

RachelBibleStudent said:

oh and the anti semites do not want you to be concerned about islamic radicalism or sharia... they follow the old eastern proverb 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'

radical muslims are extremely anti semitic...even subscribing to many of the same conspiracy theories as western anti semites do...

so western anti semites would prefer for everyone to just stand aside and let the radical muslims wipe out as many jews as possible...for example iran's threat a few days ago to kill a million israelis with missiles...

wow maybe rethink why would semites be antisemitic?

zone · Nov 9, 2011

RachelBibleStudent said:

tons of "antisemites" in your world rachel. fantasy and propaganda. paranoia in the jewish psyche. for a good reason i reckon since the Kahzars are imposters and have a lot to hide.

the state of israel is racist and fascist with global aspirations.
can't (has no intention to) get along with her neighbours. she's got enough WMD to destory the world. yet whines perpetually.

prefers to follow the Talmud instead and treat her neighbours as animals...the goyim. for that is what the religion says they are.

and has to pass LAWS to keep people from criticizing her or speaking (or even thinking): even in countries israel has no business lobbying in.

i couldn't care less.

jews need to repudiate the Talmud and take responsibility for what their leaders are doing. many are and have (and many are coming to Christ).....that's where we find the TRUTH the khazars can't stand....from the brave souls that come forward themselves.

everybody except a few brainwashed westerners know that.
but most fear man so are too cowardly to speak.

not me, i'm afraid: got over that a long time ago. your stuff bounces right off.
(maternal family name Wallenstein...so...in your semantic worldview does that make me a self-hater? big deal.)

most of the world knows by now Askenazism aren't semitic. they're not hebrews and never were. so they have no Biblical right to Palestine whatsoever. they're gentiles. Khazars/turks who converted to the satanic Talmud.

which by they way, i'm quite familiar with

: i wouldn't be making threads like this if i wasn't.

you appear to be as well.
i'll start a new thread and we can take a real good look at what it really says.
its a grotesque super-pagan set of religious texts that is thoroughly antichrist.

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are you Ashkenazi or Sephardic, rachel?

RachelBibleStudent · Nov 9, 2011

Abiding said:

Antisemitism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

anti semitic specifically means anti jewish...that is the dictionary definition acknowledged by pretty much everyone...

playing semantics is not going to be enough to deflect that charge

PneumaPsucheSoma · Nov 9, 2011

RachelBibleStudent said:

Ummm... What Abiding is referring to is zone's lineage.

And... Descendants of Japheth aren't Semites.

You got both ends wrong and don't know it. Back to studenting for you.

RachelBibleStudent · Nov 9, 2011

zone said:

israel's 'neighbors' make TV cartoons teaching their children to become suicide bombers and kill jews... how is israel supposed to get along with anyone who learns and teaches and practices hate and murder from cradle to grave?

anti semitic attacks only make it more difficult to convert jews to christianity... if you hate them and lie about them and call them fake jews...how do you expect them to react? you will just make them think our Lord hates them as much as you do...and nobody is going to follow someone who hates them...

the khazar theory is a lie that no reputable historian believes... it was first suggested by a racist writer named ernest renan in the mid-1800s...renan also attacked the accuracy and inspiration of the bible and regarded jesus as nothing more than an ordinary historical person... it was popularized in the 1920s by a racist journalist named lothrop stoddard...stoddard lost all credibility after world war ii for his approval of the nazi eugenics programs...

the theory was also adopted by the 'british israelist' cult and the racist 'christian identity' movements...

in more recent times the khazar theory has been disproved by genetic evidence that showed the relation between ashkenazim and the other jewish groups...and showed that the contribution of khazar converts to the ashkenazi gene pool is no more than about 12%

Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Khazars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the theory is not accepted by any credible modern scholars...it is rightly dismissed as outdated racist nonsense...

in any case the khazars were generally friendly to christians both inside their sphere of influence and in their foreign relations... khazaria served as a buffer state that kept the muslims from overrunning christian europe via the caucasus region... and khazar rulers practiced religious tolerance...even going so far as judging legal cases involving non khazars according to their own laws instead of jewish law...

so your hatred of the ancient khazar people is equally ridiculous...

jesus taught us to love our neighbors...not hate them and slander them and call them brainwashed and cowardly... so before you go calling anyone antichrist...you had better make sure you are obedient to christ yourself...

it seems like here you are usually acting as an 'accuser of the brethren'...you attack other christians just as often as you attack jews...

Abiding · Nov 9, 2011

Rachel...that definition is embarrasing. It defines nothing and includes everyone. Im surprised you
even used it. Including racial, religious, ethnic, hostility. I saw you tell how Islam is the likely
candidate for the endtimes you antisemite. Hey thats a valid statement with the new or the old
definition.

See standard definition was based on a Language group...which put it in a regional group(ethnic)
but as you know that had to be changed. Too many couldnt qualify. Arab and Palistinian groups fit that definition
unlike most of those in Israel. But you knew that. Right?

Abiding · Nov 9, 2011

My understanding is that the point of this topic is about a religion. Not a race or ethnic group.
It has nothing to do with Israel as known in the Oldtestament, or from the 12 tribes ethnically.

It has nothing to do with Abraham or his seed. It has more to do with the synogogue of satan
those that say they are jews and are not.

Rachel maybe you have the scoop on the synogogue of satan..or the pharisees. Or the talmud.
Why do you think Jesus brought it up in Revelation? Think it has any importance?

RachelBibleStudent · Nov 10, 2011

Abiding said:

i almost forgot to mention that most muslims are actually -not- semitic...the majority of muslims are actually african or southeast asian or turkic...

so not only were you ignoring the widely accepted definition of antisemitism...you were also mistaken about islam being semitic...

RachelBibleStudent · Nov 10, 2011

Abiding said:

the accepted current definition of anti semitism refers specifically to hostility towards jews...it is the definition nearly everyone uses so it is the definition i use...

there are many excuses for the hostility...racial and religious and cultural and political...but in the end it usually just boils down to the fact that they are hated for being jews...

for example there is someone on this forum who rejects the hebrew name for God...yhwh...for pretty much no other reason than that it was used by jews...

i actually wrote about -radical- muslims...not muslims in general...and i didn't say they were the likely candidate for the end time bad guys... i just find it to be a negative thing that for the sake of a very unlikely end time theory we are being asked to ignore a group that already -is- beheading people...killing christians...and threatening to kill millions of other people...

it is like being told to ignore a hurricane because someone expects some little cloud to turn into the perfect storm...

the language based definition of semitic is actually outdated due to new linguistic findings...specifically that most 'semitic' languages are not of semitic origin at all...they are spoken by semites but the languages come from africa...

RachelBibleStudent · Nov 10, 2011

Abiding said:

well this topic started out being about a religious matter...specifically the noachide laws...

but zone changed the subject to race and ethnicity after i started posting the reality about the noachide laws...and she seems obsessed with wanting to know if i am ashkenazi...

it would be nice if all the conspiracy nonsense could just be ignored...and i can ignore most conspiracy theories... but these things cannot just be ignored...because i am sure it turns jews -away- from christ... jews are not going to convert to a religion full of people who lie about them and accuse them of being frauds and worse...

christians who slander the jewish people like this are just as harmful to the jews' salvation as the christians who say jews do not need jesus at all...

i see that the synagogue of satan is mentioned in revelation 2:9 and 3:9...they were false jews in smyrna and philadelphia in john's time... i don't see any scripture indicating that the synagogue of satan lasted beyond the persecutions of john's age...

i know you identify them with the modern talmudic orthodox jews...but there are jewish denominations today that have departed much further from the torah than the talmud observant orthodox jews have...they would be even more likely to be those 'who claim to be jews though they are not'

Abiding · Nov 10, 2011

Rachel. I think this is clearly not at all to do with legit torah observant jews.
I dont know why you cant see that. But what i see your gona argue about to
me is a waste. And honestly im surprised you would feel the need to.
Something forces me to think you dont see the development of Israel
and its goals, and im surprised that you would call history, conspiracy theory.

Crossfire · Nov 10, 2011

Abiding said:

Abiding,

By no means am I trying to argue but your statement is incorrect. If you read Revelations chapter 19 & 20, scripture is clear Armageddon occurs before the millennium and the battle of Gog and Magog occurs afterward. So much for taking the scriptures literally, huh?

You can read about the battle of Gog & Magog in Ezekiel chapter 38, another Old Testament prophecy that was not fulfilled with the first coming of Christ.

Crossfire · Nov 10, 2011

RachelBibleStudent said:

I was thinking along simular lines. I didn't buy it into from the outset however, I try to understand their perspective in case I run into again at a later date.

ada · Nov 10, 2011

Rachel if i were you and you are in fact a fresh bible school student, i would check at least two points..
=>Who is the sponsor behind your bible school.
=>Whom do you want to serve after finishing it.

Cause this fleshly israel is not the fulfillment of bible prophecy but
Jesus Christ alone and his salvation plan for everyone who believes in him.
If you concentrate to much on counterfeit israel then you will loose focus on Jesus.
Teaching in bible schools and seminars have been talmudized since decades as a wide range of christian zionists,
and christian evangelicals either not recognizing that they have become a tool by the antichrist ore are willingly advocate them.

Who is the collective antichrist? It is judaism much worse than islam and out of this cesspool the person antichrist will emerge to build up
the temple in jerusalem again. And if this happen the sanhedrin the synagogue of satan will start to kill Christians again.
Those who never will bow down and take the mark of the beast.

Crossfire · Nov 10, 2011

ada said:

*shaking head*

What bible are you reading?

Scripture is clear that the Antichrist will make peace with the Jew for 3.5 years then turn on the Jew declaring himself as God. The new temple will be a bargaining chip to obtain peace with the Jew. The next 3.5 years is filled with persecution and execution of both the Jew and the Christian climaxing with the Antichrist gathering many armies to make war with Israel, a war Israel can not win it's own thus Israel, realizing that the New Testament scriptures are indeed true, repents and cries out for Christ's intervention.

The way I see it, the Antichrist will most likely be a European diplomat of Muslim descent while the false prophet will most likely be a Catholic pope thus we see a merger of Islam and Catholicism in the last days.

ada · Nov 10, 2011

This is from an official Noahide site:

The Seven Noahide Laws

To the Jewish people G-d gave the entire Torah [teaching] as their Law. They therefore have a special responsibility—with special commandments—to be the priesthood of the world, a "light unto the nations."
What about the rest of the world? What is G-d's will for them?
G-d gave Noah and all his descendants (B'nei Noach or "children of Noah") seven commandments to obey. These seven universal laws (known as the "Seven Noahide Laws") were reaffirmed with Moses and the Jewish people at Mt. Sinai in what is now known as the Oral Torah, establishing modern observance of these laws. These seven commandments (mitzvos), actually seven categories of hundreds of specific laws, are G-d's will for all non-Jews.
Non-Jews who (1) reject all idolatrous ideas and accept the kingship of the One G-d, (2) accept the priesthood of the Jewish people as the guardians and teachers of Torah, and (3) commit to following the Seven Noahide Laws as revealed in the Oral Torah from Mt. Sinai are "Hasidic Gentiles" or "Noahides." The term "Hasidic Gentile" is derived from a classic commentary by the Rambam, Rav Moshe ben Maimon (Maimonides), in The Laws of Kings 8:11:

"Anyone who accepts upon himself the fulfillment of these Seven Mitzvos [commandments] and is precise in their observance is considered one of the hasidei umos ha'olam ["Hasidim of the nations of the world"] and will merit a share in the World to Come."

The Seven Noahide Laws are the minimal observance for non-Jews. The source of these laws and the basis of their understanding is the Oral Torah, which G-d gave to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai along with His Written Law. By learning from the Jews and performing the mitzvos, non-Jews have a crucial role in G-d's Creation.
The Seven Noahide Laws actually encompass numerous details and applications within hundreds of laws, each with specific applications. One should also keep in mind that these laws are only the minimal basis for a Hasidic gentile's service to G-d, since there are many Jewish mitzvos that non-Jews are encouraged to adopt to accomplish more. Through these laws a gentile refines himself and the Creation as a whole, fulfilling his purpose for existence.
For a detailed listing of the Noahide Laws, visit our sister site Hasidic University.
http://noahide.com/7laws.htm

:Quote end

Aside that the noahide laws are a talmudic counterfeit by satan you may think that 7 commands are easy to fulfill.Sorry but you are complete wrong. In fact the 7 noahide laws are 613 (620) mitzvahs commands and prohibitions which no one could fulfill.But for Christians the most important is the 1. the prohibition against idolatry which consist of 57(!) subsequent commands.
Mitzvah -5 says
Look at this please.Application to gentiles: Required Mandated punishment for violation: Death penalty:Examples: Not to verbally accept Jesus as one’s god or “lord.”

Abiding · Nov 10, 2011

Crossfire said:

Crossfire, understand ill try to come back soon and explain...i tried to make a chart
but it didnt work out....with verses from Eze and two different visions in rev.

Crossfire · Nov 10, 2011

Abiding said:

You can try, I'll definitely take a look however, Revelations 19 & 20 is pretty straight forward. Nowhere does it mention a separate vision.

In Revelation 19 both the Antichrist & False Prophet are cast into the lake of fire never to be heard from again.

Immediately afterward, in Revelation 20, Satan is bound then cast into the bottomless pit where he is locked up for 1000 years then released for a little while, where he will rallies the armies of Gog and Magog to make war only to be consumed with fire from heaven then Satan will cast into the lake of fire along side the antichrist & false prophet never to be heard from again.

Feel free to read it yourself:

Revelation 19

11 After that I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse [appeared]! The One Who was riding it is called Faithful (Trustworthy, Loyal, Incorruptible, Steady) and True, and He passes judgment and wages war in righteousness (holiness, justice, and uprightness).

12 His eyes [blaze] like a flame of fire, and on His head are many kingly crowns (diadems); and He has a title (name) inscribed which He alone knows or can understand.

13 He is dressed in a robe dyed by [c]dipping in blood, and the title by which He is called is The Word of God.

14 And the troops of heaven, clothed in fine linen, dazzling and clean, followed Him on white horses.

15 From His mouth goes forth a sharp sword with which He can smite (afflict, strike) the nations; and He will shepherd and control them with a staff (scepter, rod) of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath and indignation of God the All-Ruler (the Almighty, the Omnipotent).

16And on His garment (robe) and on His thigh He has a name (title) inscribed, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

17Then I saw a single angel stationed in the sun's [d]light, and with a mighty voice he shouted to all the birds that fly across the sky, Come, gather yourselves together for the great supper of God,

18That you may feast on the flesh of rulers, the flesh of generals and captains, the flesh of powerful and mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all humanity, both free and slave, both small and great!

19Then I saw the beast and the rulers and leaders of the earth with their troops mustered to go into battle and make war against Him Who is mounted on the horse and against His troops.

20And the beast was seized and overpowered, and with him the false prophet who in his presence had worked wonders and performed miracles by which he led astray those who had accepted or permitted to be placed upon them the stamp (mark) of the beast and those who paid homage and gave divine honors to his statue. Both of them were hurled alive into the fiery lake that burns and blazes with brimstone.

21And the rest were killed with the sword that issues from the mouth of Him Who is mounted on the horse, and all the birds fed ravenously and glutted themselves with their flesh.

Revelation 20

1THEN I saw an angel descending from heaven; he was holding the key of the Abyss (the bottomless pit) and a great chain was in his hand.

2And he gripped and overpowered the dragon, that old serpent [of primeval times], who is the devil and Satan, and [securely] bound him for a thousand years.

3Then he hurled him into the Abyss (the bottomless pit) and closed it and sealed it above him, so that he should no longer lead astray and deceive and seduce the nations until the thousand years were at an end. After that he must be liberated for a short time.

4Then I saw thrones, and sitting on them were those to whom authority to act as judges and to pass sentence was entrusted. Also I saw the souls of those who had been slain with axes [beheaded] for their witnessing to Jesus and [for preaching and testifying] for the Word of God, and who had refused to pay homage to the beast or his statue and had not accepted his mark or permitted it to be stamped on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived again and ruled with Christ (the Messiah) a thousand years.

5The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

6Blessed (happy, [a]to be envied) and holy (spiritually whole, of unimpaired innocence and proved virtue) is the person who takes part (shares) in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of God and of Christ (the Messiah), and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.

7And when the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his place of confinement,

8And he will go forth to deceive and seduce and lead astray the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth--Gog and Magog--to muster them for war; their number is like the sand of the sea.

9And they swarmed up over the broad plain of the earth and encircled the fortress (camp) of God's people (the saints) and the beloved city; but fire descended from heaven and consumed them. [II Kings 1:10-12; Ezek. 38:2, 22.]

10Then the devil who had led them astray [deceiving and seducing them] was hurled into the fiery lake of burning brimstone, where the beast and false prophet were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever (through the ages of the ages).

11Then I saw a great white throne and the One Who was seated upon it, from Whose presence and from the sight of Whose face earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.

12I [also] saw the dead, great and small; they stood before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life. And the dead were judged (sentenced) by what they had done [their whole way of feeling and acting, their aims and endeavors] in accordance with what was recorded in the books.

13And the sea delivered up the dead who were in it, death and Hades ([c]the state of death or disembodied existence) surrendered the dead in them, and all were tried and their cases determined by what they had done [according to their motives, aims, and works].

14Then death and Hades ([d]the state of death or disembodied existence) were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

15And if anyone's [name] was not found recorded in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.

ada · Nov 10, 2011

Crossfire said:

Judaism is collective the antichrist since they rejected Jesus Christ if you like it or not.
This is even more correct if you see how they treat the gentiles in their talmud and how they as
a whole wants to become their own messiah trying to put their collective fabricated guilt on mankind.
Just look at all the efforts in connection with the talmudized vatican to replace Calgary with their sanctified holocaust religion.Not to say that they are the long time slave traders in history and their modern version the ruinous usury debt money system created in 1913 as a their private owned bank called the FED from which they ruin all the nations just for their greed love of money sake and enslavement.

Who is the Antichrist?
1. John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1. John 2:22-23
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

1. John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2. John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

They became revolutionary's cause they rejected LOGOS the WORD which is Jesus Christ.
Why are they killing Muslims and real Semites and Christians in Palestine,Afghanistan,Lebanon,Iraq,Libya,
starting with their terror state israel? Why do they blackmail america in even preemptive strikes
for Syria and Iran while america is loosing more and more freedom cause they establish a counterfeit
war against terror to stake out their own people putting every one under suspicion?Why are they killing all
those innocent civilians included women and children for what? It tell you for what. Only for a greater israel.

You think this biblical and the will of Jesus who wants compassion and mercy first? You better answer all these questions by yourself with an open bible in your hand reading the words of Jesus Christ and his Gospel or the sermon of the mount.

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