Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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Cameron143 said:
The old covenant has been done away with. Read Hebrews. It was waning at the time Hebrews was written. And why would anyone want to remain under that covenant when the new covenant is in every regard superior. Christ is superior to Moses, angels, the priesthood, and the new covenant is built upon better promises.

God will, at some future time, redeem large numbers of ethnic Jews, but it will be according to the new covenant. No other covenant exists.
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You might want to do a little research on the 7 Covenants of God.
 
cv5 said:
Your trivial one-liners are the stuff that heresies are made of.

And no, you will NOT conduct a proper in depth study on Acts 2. Nor will you read this content. This I know because this exegetical treatment has already been posted many times.

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OMC said:
Saying “you fail to comprehend Peter and James” is not an argument; it’s just a way of avoiding the fact that Acts 2 and Acts 15 explicitly apply Israel’s restoration promises to the ingathering of Gentiles, not to a postponed national resurrection.
Peter quotes Joel and says the Spirit’s outpouring is happening now, not after a future geopolitical revival; James quotes Amos and says the rebuilding of David’s fallen tent is Christ’s present work, not a millennial reconstruction of ethnic Israel.
You keep accusing others of “amillennial filters,” but you’re refusing to let the apostles...
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I'm not talking about replacement theology. That's not the way covenants are constructed. They merely continue by whatever stipulations govern the next covenant.
 
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cv5 said:
Replacement theology is a biblically illiterate heresy bereft of scholarship and sanity......🥲
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Hiya I didn't finish my post before hitting send oops, I'm for foundational beliefs and I'm not sure you can call theology foundational, 🤔, to many people get led by appeal
 
Cameron143 said:
Joel 2 is realized on Pentecost.
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I don't think so. You might want to read ALL of it next time:

Peter’s declaration at Pentecost that the events were "what was spoken by the prophet Joel" (Acts 2:16) is widely interpreted as a reference to similarity or partial fulfillment, not a complete literal fulfillment. While the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the initial ability to speak in tongues occurred, the specific cosmic and judgmental signs detailed in Joel 2:28–32 did not take place.

Key elements of Joel’s prophecy that remain unfulfilled or incomplete include:
  • Universal Outpouring: Joel prophesied the Spirit would be poured out on "all flesh," whereas at Pentecost, the experience was limited to approximately 120 believers in Jerusalem.
  • Cosmic Signs: Joel predicted blood, fire, and pillars of smoke, as well as the sun turning to darkness and the moon to blood. These astronomical and geological phenomena did not occur on the Day of Pentecost.
  • The Day of the Lord: Joel’s prophecy centers on the "great and awesome day of the Lord" and preceding judgments. Peter explicitly notes these signs precede that day, which has not yet arrived.
  • National Restoration: The broader context of Joel involves the judgment of nations and the restoration of Israel. The events of Acts 2 focused on the birth of the Church, leaving the national and eschatological fulfillments for a future time.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm not talking about replacement theology. That's not the way covenants are constructed. They merely continue by whatever stipulations govern the next covenant.
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There are a lot of jokers who are clueless about covenants.

BTW, Paul gave the boot to a couple of jokers who were proffering bogus dogma regarding the truth that he taught regarding the pre-trib rapture.

Now didn't you tell me that you believe that the rapture occurred in the 1st century? I'm sure that you did make this claim.....many times.
 
Revelation1v8 said:
I don't think so. You might want to read ALL of it next time:

Peter’s declaration at Pentecost that the events were "what was spoken by the prophet Joel" (Acts 2:16) is widely interpreted as a reference to similarity or partial fulfillment, not a complete literal fulfillment. While the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the initial ability to speak in tongues occurred, the specific cosmic and judgmental signs detailed in Joel 2:28–32 did not take place.

Key elements of Joel’s prophecy that remain unfulfilled or incomplete include:
  • Universal Outpouring: Joel prophesied the Spirit would be poured out on "all flesh," whereas at Pentecost, the experience was limited to approximately 120 believers in Jerusalem.
  • Cosmic Signs: Joel predicted blood, fire, and pillars of smoke, as well as the sun turning to darkness and the moon to blood. These astronomical and geological phenomena did not occur on the Day of Pentecost.
  • The Day of the Lord: Joel’s prophecy centers on the "great and awesome day of the Lord" and preceding judgments. Peter explicitly notes these signs precede that day, which has not yet arrived.
  • National Restoration: The broader context of Joel involves the judgment of nations and the restoration of Israel. The events of Acts 2 focused on the birth of the Church, leaving the national and eschatological fulfillments for a future time.
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Still all 1st century. Cosmic signs are de-creation language, which was explained earlier by some to be tied to the creation language employed in establishing of the covenant. De-creation language is simply the undoing of the covenant.

In all of this, you, and others, ignore that the fulfillment of scripture is in Christ, and not Israel...2 Corinthians 1:20.
 
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cv5 said:
There are a lot of jokers who are clueless about covenants.

BTW, Paul gave the boot to a couple of jokers who were proffering bogus dogma regarding the truth that he taught regarding the pre-trib rapture.

Now didn't you tell me that you believe that the rapture occurred in the 1st century? I'm sure that you did make this claim.....many times.
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Be glad you weren't around back then to get the boot.
 
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Revelation1v8 said:
I don't think so. You might want to read ALL of it next time:

Peter’s declaration at Pentecost that the events were "what was spoken by the prophet Joel" (Acts 2:16) is widely interpreted as a reference to similarity or partial fulfillment, not a complete literal fulfillment. While the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the initial ability to speak in tongues occurred, the specific cosmic and judgmental signs detailed in Joel 2:28–32 did not take place.

Key elements of Joel’s prophecy that remain unfulfilled or incomplete include:
  • Universal Outpouring: Joel prophesied the Spirit would be poured out on "all flesh," whereas at Pentecost, the experience was limited to approximately 120 believers in Jerusalem.
  • Cosmic Signs: Joel predicted blood, fire, and pillars of smoke, as well as the sun turning to darkness and the moon to blood. These astronomical and geological phenomena did not occur on the Day of Pentecost.
  • The Day of the Lord: Joel’s prophecy centers on the "great and awesome day of the Lord" and preceding judgments. Peter explicitly notes these signs precede that day, which has not yet arrived.
  • National Restoration: The broader context of Joel involves the judgment of nations and the restoration of Israel. The events of Acts 2 focused on the birth of the Church, leaving the national and eschatological fulfillments for a future time.
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Correct. Denials of this content and message are more proof of preterist willful ignorance and entrenched biblical illiteracy.

Unlike the many cults, God does NOT demand a lobotomy before entering His covenant. On the contrary, informed consent is essential....😊
 
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Cameron143 said:
Still all 1st century. Cosmic signs are de-creation language, which was explained earlier by some to be tied to the creation language employed in establishing of the covenant. De-creation language is simply the undoing of the covenant.

In all of this, you, and others, ignore that the fulfillment of scripture is in Christ, and not Israel...2 Corinthians 1:20.
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It was NOT completely fulfilled in the 1st century.

You ignore that Jesus said He was going to FULFILL ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN in Luke 24:44. So, listen up!
 
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Cameron143 said:
Still all 1st century. Cosmic signs are de-creation language, which was explained earlier by some to be tied to the creation language employed in establishing of the covenant. De-creation language is simply the undoing of the covenant.

In all of this, you, and others, ignore that the fulfillment of scripture is in Christ, and not Israel...2 Corinthians 1:20.
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The language of the flood of Noah confuses you and you consider it hyperbolic? How about the results of the flood? Evidently you think it all an hoax as you do the greater judgement of the 70th week of Daniel?

Mat 24:21 - For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mat 24:22 - And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

[Mat 24:37-38 KJV]
37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

[Mat 24:39 KJV] 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

[Luk 17:26-27 KJV] – 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
 
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