Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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LOL! Do you care to read your own words AGAIN??!!

You said: "I don't disagree. God is a covenant God. But the promises are in the seed...Christ. Thus, all the promises of God are in Him yes and in Him amen."

So, now you're trying to say that "I don't disagree" really means "I disagree"??!!
I did agree with some of what you wrote, and went on to tell you what I did disagree with. It's called conversation. Read more carefully:

Agree: God is a covenant God.
Disagree: but the promises are in Him.

I went on to explain that the promises are not fulfilled by Israel, but Christ.

Until you guys understand this, you will not understand covenants or eschatology.
 
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Both the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants are extensions of the covenant of grace in Genesis 3. These were fulfilled by Christ and came definitively with Christ. They have been coming progressively since that time, and will come consumatively at His return.

The Mosaic covenant is no longer.

Since only the new covenant exists, the only way forward for anyone, Jews included, is under a covenant of grace...the new covenant.
ONLY the Mosaic covenant is no longer in force. Tons of irrefutable evidence makes this clear.

The others are fully in force and eternal in nature. And there is zero scriptural evidence to say otherwise. Your fantasies to the contrary are NOT evidence.

And to say otherwise is..... calling God a liar and therefore a bald faced lie.
 
So now the question is: What Exactly Did God Do After the 'Limited Outpouring' to Delay the 'Cosmic Signs'
which should have appeared within the next 6-7 years (70th week)?

Are you talking about these verses:

Why these verses were not fulfilled in 70 AD​

1. "All flesh" is universal, not local. The Greek pasa sarx (πᾶσα σὰρξ) means "all humanity" — the whole human race, drawn from the Hebrew kol basar. The siege of Jerusalem was a regional catastrophe confined to Judea. No matter how long it lasted, it could not have wiped out all human life on earth. The verse describes a threat to the entire planet, not one city.

2. The tribulation's described severity exceeds 70 AD. The immediately preceding verse (Matt. 24:21) says it will be "great tribulation, such as has not happened since the beginning of the world until this time, no, and never will." The Roman siege, horrific as it was, was a conventional military campaign. It does not match a tribulation of unprecedented, global, existential severity.

3. The logical problem of "the elect." If the purpose of "those days" was final judgment on the Jewish nation (as preterists hold), the question arises: why would any life be saved? A final judicial judgment would require complete accounting. The verse instead implies a merciful interruption of a globally destructive event — which fits a future tribulation, not a local siege.

4. Luke omits the verse. Luke's account of the Olivet Discourse (Luke 21) focuses more heavily on 70 AD and omits the "shortened days" statement entirely. This suggests the author recognized it as referring to a different (future) event beyond the temple's destruction.

5. The surrounding context is unfulfilled in 70 AD. The verses immediately following describe the sun darkening, the moon not giving its light, stars falling from heaven, and the powers of heaven being shaken (Matt. 24:29), followed by the visible, bodily return of the Son of Man on the clouds (v. 30) and angels gathering the elect "from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (v. 31). None of these occurred in 70 AD. Since the "shortened days" are embedded within this sequence, they belong to the same unfulfilled horizon.
 
I did agree with some of what you wrote, and went on to tell you what I did disagree with. It's called conversation. Read more carefully:

Agree: God is a covenant God.
Disagree: but the promises are in Him.

I went on to explain that the promises are not fulfilled by Israel, but Christ.

Until you guys understand this, you will not understand covenants or eschatology.

If you truly believed that God was a Covenant God, then you would already know that the Bible shows that He will FULFILL ALL OF HIS OLD COVENANTS, not partially, but fully, by the end of time. And no, they have NOT been completely fulfilled yet.
 
ONLY the Mosaic covenant is no longer in force. Tons of irrefutable evidence makes this clear.

The others are fully in force and eternal in nature. And there is zero scriptural evidence to say otherwise. Your fantasies to the contrary are NOT evidence.

And to say otherwise is..... calling God a liar and therefore a bald faced lie.
I didn't deny that the Davidic and Abrahamic covenants weren't still in force. I merely said they are all part of the covenant of grace...the new covenant...which began to be unveiled in Genesis 3 and was progressively revealed throughout history and fully revealed in the NT.
 
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I did agree with some of what you wrote, and went on to tell you what I did disagree with. It's called conversation. Read more carefully:

Agree: God is a covenant God.
Disagree: but the promises are in Him.

I went on to explain that the promises are not fulfilled by Israel, but Christ.

Until you guys understand this, you will not understand covenants or eschatology.

Seriously? No one ever said that the promises were fulfilled by Israel. They are fulfilled by God/Jesus FOR Israel because He made certain promises to them that He plans on keeping.
 
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cv5 may be breathing out fire and brimstone, but he doesn't use double negatives to ask and answer questions.
Oh yea, everybody on CC knows who is legitimately proclaiming the truth in righteousness and who are the frauds.

It's the slithering and hissing. You just can't miss it..... ;)
 
And I'm perfectly okay with that. Now, if your side could ever learn to express this without disparaging others, you will have learned how to love and fulfilled the law of Christ.
Since when are we supposed to love lies and heresies and those who deny Biblically confirmed accurate doctrine and call God a liar?