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no....jews and people like you want to make it about RACE (absurd considering Judaism is a RELIGION not a race!)
then when the issue is FORCED into a racial discussion, when PRESSED to PROVE Hebraic racial ancestry, the discussion morphs into something else. same old game.
Christians continually state what Jesus and the Apostles stated: IT....IS.....NOT....ABOUT......RACE.
and for THAT we are called antisemitic.
i'm personally not the slightest bit antisemitic: i love arabs and jews and anyone WHO TRACES THEIR ANCESTRY TO THE REGION BACK TO ANTIQUITY....which is the ONLY thing that makes one SEMITIC. nor am i anti-anyone else..........(Lord, who has believed our report?) we battle principalities and powers that set up STRONGHOLDS..wrong ideas about God (and man).
ha?
most other modern Jewish populations of the world (there's your parachute...what about black ethipian jews - same israelites as white blue-eyed jews? what about ARAB JEWS? DID YOU KNOW THERE ARE ARAB JEWS? did you know Persians are Caucasian? how many persian jews are there?)
where'd we get the Israelite dna?
unless you live in a fantasy world where 'evolution' reigns supreme (and that at the speed of light apparently) - how do you get a dark skinned curly-haired israelite and a pale-skinned blue-eyed israelite having enough "DNA" to prove semitic origin?????
so, everybody is either an israelite, or a gentile according to this ridiculous idea.
in fact: maybe according to this idea the Christian Identity and Ten Lost Tribers are RIGHT!
the obssession with race is a feature of fallen man: this is NOT something christians are called to.
in a smaller way?
and even less than from?
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE NOAHIDE LAWS.
and about where they come from; how long they've been around; whether they have anything to do with Moses and the prophets (ultimately Jesus) ; and whether they pose a real and present danger to Christians.
even if every jew from every race under heaven was an israelite (ridiculous); what does that have to do with Jesus Christ or the Gospel? nothing: unless you are a dispensationalist.
end of racial nonsense (i wish).
then when the issue is FORCED into a racial discussion, when PRESSED to PROVE Hebraic racial ancestry, the discussion morphs into something else. same old game.
Christians continually state what Jesus and the Apostles stated: IT....IS.....NOT....ABOUT......RACE.
and for THAT we are called antisemitic.
i'm personally not the slightest bit antisemitic: i love arabs and jews and anyone WHO TRACES THEIR ANCESTRY TO THE REGION BACK TO ANTIQUITY....which is the ONLY thing that makes one SEMITIC. nor am i anti-anyone else..........(Lord, who has believed our report?) we battle principalities and powers that set up STRONGHOLDS..wrong ideas about God (and man).
ha?
most other modern Jewish populations of the world (there's your parachute...what about black ethipian jews - same israelites as white blue-eyed jews? what about ARAB JEWS? DID YOU KNOW THERE ARE ARAB JEWS? did you know Persians are Caucasian? how many persian jews are there?)
where'd we get the Israelite dna?
unless you live in a fantasy world where 'evolution' reigns supreme (and that at the speed of light apparently) - how do you get a dark skinned curly-haired israelite and a pale-skinned blue-eyed israelite having enough "DNA" to prove semitic origin?????
so, everybody is either an israelite, or a gentile according to this ridiculous idea.
in fact: maybe according to this idea the Christian Identity and Ten Lost Tribers are RIGHT!
the obssession with race is a feature of fallen man: this is NOT something christians are called to.
in a smaller way?
and even less than from?
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE NOAHIDE LAWS.
and about where they come from; how long they've been around; whether they have anything to do with Moses and the prophets (ultimately Jesus) ; and whether they pose a real and present danger to Christians.
even if every jew from every race under heaven was an israelite (ridiculous); what does that have to do with Jesus Christ or the Gospel? nothing: unless you are a dispensationalist.
end of racial nonsense (i wish).
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who created the Muslim Brotherhood?
answer: THE BRITISH AND MOSSAD.
this may not be a quiz show.
but let's get some FACTS straight.
who are the House of Saud? any clue?
who created Hamas to counter Hezzbolah? ISRAEL.
Israel needs a perpetual outside threat to continue (and to keep the christian zionist/US machine running)....and we see it now in the war on terror.
who did 9-11? << answer please.
how is asking what CHRISTIAN arabs in Gaza say about this mess irrelevant?
i'm a Christian - i listen to what THEY SAY first.
answer: THE BRITISH AND MOSSAD.
this may not be a quiz show.
but let's get some FACTS straight.
who are the House of Saud? any clue?
who created Hamas to counter Hezzbolah? ISRAEL.
Israel needs a perpetual outside threat to continue (and to keep the christian zionist/US machine running)....and we see it now in the war on terror.
who did 9-11? << answer please.
how is asking what CHRISTIAN arabs in Gaza say about this mess irrelevant?
i'm a Christian - i listen to what THEY SAY first.
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you are 27 years old.
i am 53.
let's see who has studied this issue more.
the "accusations" toward a certain group of people are ANYONE (ususally CHRISTIANS and jews of conscience) who disagrees with the worldview of Talmudic Judaism or the actions and ideology of Israel are ANTISEMITIC AND HATE-DRIVEN is what shows up repeatedly. in this discussion, and in the passing of immoral LAWS to silence DEBATE AND DISCUSSION...these LAWS passed under pressure from JEWS: TRUE OR FALSE?
i asked you:
1) are you jewish?
2) do you read Hebrew
3) have you read the talmud?
4) well the claim that the noachide laws are anti christian is false...the claim that an act of congress established the noachide laws as binding on the united states is false...the claim that ashkenazi jews are all khazars is false...the claim that the ancient khazars were anti christian is false...
i intend to prove the opposite of what you claim here.
on EVERY COUNT using judaic sources.
then what will you do?
disappear?
call them self-haters?
or will you contribute what you SAY you know to this conversation and prove the above in green false? start now please.
i am 53.
let's see who has studied this issue more.
the "accusations" toward a certain group of people are ANYONE (ususally CHRISTIANS and jews of conscience) who disagrees with the worldview of Talmudic Judaism or the actions and ideology of Israel are ANTISEMITIC AND HATE-DRIVEN is what shows up repeatedly. in this discussion, and in the passing of immoral LAWS to silence DEBATE AND DISCUSSION...these LAWS passed under pressure from JEWS: TRUE OR FALSE?
i asked you:
1) are you jewish?
2) do you read Hebrew
3) have you read the talmud?
4) well the claim that the noachide laws are anti christian is false...the claim that an act of congress established the noachide laws as binding on the united states is false...the claim that ashkenazi jews are all khazars is false...the claim that the ancient khazars were anti christian is false...
i intend to prove the opposite of what you claim here.
on EVERY COUNT using judaic sources.
then what will you do?
disappear?
call them self-haters?
or will you contribute what you SAY you know to this conversation and prove the above in green false? start now please.
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are ashkenazism isrealites? YES OR NO? i'm ashkenazi stock and i'll tell you right now ...NO.
do you have the courage to say the same? i'm about to lay a barrage of information on this thread FROM THE TALMUD. are you going to stick around?
see how it just morphed from race to religion?
nobody care WHAT religion jews practise!
UNTIL it starts insinuating itself into Christianity (and by extension the West and hence the world) disguised as something it is not: and that particularly MOSES & THE PROPHETS....Judaism today can NEVER leads jews to Jesus as it doesn't even honour MOSES! the religion of the Pharisees in Jesus' day was the prototype of today's Judaism: CORRUPTION of Moses. you say you're a Christian: you either believe what Jesus said or you don't.
now....since you've made it clear you know what Judaism is: IS IT MOSES & THE PROPHETS OR NOT?
just yes or no.
do you have the courage to say the same? i'm about to lay a barrage of information on this thread FROM THE TALMUD. are you going to stick around?
see how it just morphed from race to religion?
nobody care WHAT religion jews practise!
UNTIL it starts insinuating itself into Christianity (and by extension the West and hence the world) disguised as something it is not: and that particularly MOSES & THE PROPHETS....Judaism today can NEVER leads jews to Jesus as it doesn't even honour MOSES! the religion of the Pharisees in Jesus' day was the prototype of today's Judaism: CORRUPTION of Moses. you say you're a Christian: you either believe what Jesus said or you don't.
now....since you've made it clear you know what Judaism is: IS IT MOSES & THE PROPHETS OR NOT?
just yes or no.
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i don't even know how i am supposed to respond to you zone...
you brought up race in the first place with your khazar theory...and you continue to rant about race...three of your last five posts are -entirely- about race...yet you claim the whole time that you don't care about race!
you post a link to a website...and when i provide actual quotations -from your own link- disproving what you say...you respond by rejecting what is written in a source -you- posted!
i post evidence to disprove your claims and you ignore it as if you never even saw it...even when i post the evidence from -your own sources- you pretend like nothing has been established...
and all this time you continue to throw out more and more of your outlandish off topic claims and irrelevant questions as bait that can only divert the discussion from the subject you say you want to focus on!
to tell the truth...i can't say that i have seen any indication that you have even the slightest interest in having an honest discussion here...
you brought up race in the first place with your khazar theory...and you continue to rant about race...three of your last five posts are -entirely- about race...yet you claim the whole time that you don't care about race!
you post a link to a website...and when i provide actual quotations -from your own link- disproving what you say...you respond by rejecting what is written in a source -you- posted!
i post evidence to disprove your claims and you ignore it as if you never even saw it...even when i post the evidence from -your own sources- you pretend like nothing has been established...
and all this time you continue to throw out more and more of your outlandish off topic claims and irrelevant questions as bait that can only divert the discussion from the subject you say you want to focus on!
to tell the truth...i can't say that i have seen any indication that you have even the slightest interest in having an honest discussion here...
Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-1016
Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars. After their conversion, the Khazar people used Jewish personal names, spoke and wrote in Hebrew, were circumcised, had synagogues and rabbis, studied the Torah and Talmud, and observed Hanukkah, Pesach, and the Sabbath. The Khazars were an advanced civilization with one of the most tolerant societies of the medieval period. It hosted merchants from all over Asia and Europe. On these pages it is hoped that you may learn more about this fascinating culture
http://www.khazaria.com/
really really simple question:
are the Khazarian jews attempting to claim they were BORN hebrews?
yes or no?
its a really simple question.
these people admit they CONVERTED to Judaism. Kudos!
converted: to Talmudism....is Talmudism is Moses & the prophets? have we determined this yet?
does that give them any claim to the land of Palestine acccording to scripture????, (even if one refuses to accept I AM never intended the Land issue and the race issue to mean anything other than pointing to the ultimate SPIRITUAL fulfillment?
you jumped into a thread with information on a complex subject involving deception and dissimulation at the highest levels.
HONESTY in a conversation starts with KNOWING the facts or admitting you don't.
having made youself familiar with the Khazarian jews site, and apparently knowing all about what makes one an ancient Biblical Hebrew (as if that has ANYTHING TO DO WITH JESUS AND SALVATION and killing and war and propaganda), where does the Yiddish language fit?
it doesn't.
Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars. After their conversion, the Khazar people used Jewish personal names, spoke and wrote in Hebrew, were circumcised, had synagogues and rabbis, studied the Torah and Talmud, and observed Hanukkah, Pesach, and the Sabbath. The Khazars were an advanced civilization with one of the most tolerant societies of the medieval period. It hosted merchants from all over Asia and Europe. On these pages it is hoped that you may learn more about this fascinating culture
http://www.khazaria.com/
really really simple question:
are the Khazarian jews attempting to claim they were BORN hebrews?
yes or no?
its a really simple question.
these people admit they CONVERTED to Judaism. Kudos!
converted: to Talmudism....is Talmudism is Moses & the prophets? have we determined this yet?
does that give them any claim to the land of Palestine acccording to scripture????, (even if one refuses to accept I AM never intended the Land issue and the race issue to mean anything other than pointing to the ultimate SPIRITUAL fulfillment?
you jumped into a thread with information on a complex subject involving deception and dissimulation at the highest levels.
HONESTY in a conversation starts with KNOWING the facts or admitting you don't.
having made youself familiar with the Khazarian jews site, and apparently knowing all about what makes one an ancient Biblical Hebrew (as if that has ANYTHING TO DO WITH JESUS AND SALVATION and killing and war and propaganda), where does the Yiddish language fit?
it doesn't.
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rachel...i'm going to leave you to ponder the whole thing.
i don't just play the dialectic anymore.
you're wasting your time on me.
go back and read your own posts about all of it...if you wish.
skip past all the resources i linked to (which you'll do).
do some homework (or not). i gave you a few starters. you can either search or not. i don't care. that's your responsibility. but i will NEVER say the religion of the Pharisees is harmless..okay? that's just reality. i don't care how many buzzwords you use on me they bounce right off. this trash that's entered the church couldn't have happened without such appalling ignorance.
your approval of the Babylonian Talmudic Noahide Laws while claiming to be a Christian is evidence enough you're either really confused, brainwashed, or an agent.
i'll assume the best and say you're confused.
stick with the milk if that's what you need or get real and start dialgouging on the meat if you know it.
tommorrow we'll see how sweet and harmless the Talmud is. maybe you can help.
i don't just play the dialectic anymore.
you're wasting your time on me.
go back and read your own posts about all of it...if you wish.
skip past all the resources i linked to (which you'll do).
do some homework (or not). i gave you a few starters. you can either search or not. i don't care. that's your responsibility. but i will NEVER say the religion of the Pharisees is harmless..okay? that's just reality. i don't care how many buzzwords you use on me they bounce right off. this trash that's entered the church couldn't have happened without such appalling ignorance.
your approval of the Babylonian Talmudic Noahide Laws while claiming to be a Christian is evidence enough you're either really confused, brainwashed, or an agent.
i'll assume the best and say you're confused.
stick with the milk if that's what you need or get real and start dialgouging on the meat if you know it.
tommorrow we'll see how sweet and harmless the Talmud is. maybe you can help.
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You've been treating me as an 'agent' for some time.
As far as your Noahide One World Government goes, I've done enough research to get a pretty good idea that it is a just another conspiracy theory, an Antisemetic one at that. I wonder if it could be related to the German / Lutheran disdain for the Jewish people?
First Charismatics, now Jews...
Who's next on your hit list?
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such a bore. just another bleating U.I.
dive in and out of this thread throwing sand in the gears if you want to....eventually you'll be shown to be ignorant of the facts (or deny them). who cares?
who did 9-11 crossfire? figured that out yet?
- you're for the NAR (though you deny it): you believe in Modern Apostles and prophets.
- re your 'research'
: total rubbish: you'd never heard of it til you got here. the NAR is part of it.
(how's it working out for you casting the spirit of "Jez" out of every woman that acts up in your church? ROTFLMHO!)
- Lutheran disdain for the jewish people....let's seeeee......'4-point calvinist who deplores calvinism and reformed, monergistic synergist, but claims reformed preachers and theologians when arminianism and methodism looks bad' perpetuates the MYTH of Luther being antisemitic. Luther was FOR the jews...until he found the Talmud.
but that's been proven in his own words many times. you just hate him, so you'll believe what you want...who cares?
let's see what your thoughts on the Talmud are....and how loyal you really are to Jesus.
(you're acting like an 11 year old girl btw...get on with your own business).
TALMUD COMING UP.
Antisemetic
conspiracy theory
Antisemetic
conspiracy theory
Antisemetic
such a bore. just another bleating U.I.
dive in and out of this thread throwing sand in the gears if you want to....eventually you'll be shown to be ignorant of the facts (or deny them). who cares?
who did 9-11 crossfire? figured that out yet?
- you're for the NAR (though you deny it): you believe in Modern Apostles and prophets.
- re your 'research'
: total rubbish: you'd never heard of it til you got here. the NAR is part of it.(how's it working out for you casting the spirit of "Jez" out of every woman that acts up in your church? ROTFLMHO!)
- Lutheran disdain for the jewish people....let's seeeee......'4-point calvinist who deplores calvinism and reformed, monergistic synergist, but claims reformed preachers and theologians when arminianism and methodism looks bad' perpetuates the MYTH of Luther being antisemitic. Luther was FOR the jews...until he found the Talmud.
but that's been proven in his own words many times. you just hate him, so you'll believe what you want...who cares?
let's see what your thoughts on the Talmud are....and how loyal you really are to Jesus.
(you're acting like an 11 year old girl btw...get on with your own business).
TALMUD COMING UP.
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TALMUD & related texts (source of Noahide Laws)
from: jewishencyclopedia.com - Jesus
"The Jewish legends in regard to Jesus are found in three sources, each independent of the others—(1) in New Testament apocrypha and Christian polemical works, (2) in the Talmud and the Midrash, and (3) in the life of Jesus ("Toledot Yeshu'") that originated in the Middle Ages.
It is the tendency of all these sources to be-little the person of Jesus by ascribing to him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death. In view of their general character they are called indiscriminately legends."
"It is certain, in any case, that the rabbinical sources also regard Jesus as the "son of Pandera", although it is noteworthy that he is called also "Ben Sṭada" (Shab. 104b; Sanh. 67a)."
"According to Celsus (in Origen, "Contra Celsum," i. 28) and to the Talmud(Shab. 104b), Jesus learned magic in Egypt and performed his miracles by means of it;"
"Different in nature is the witchcraft attributed to Jesus in the "Toledot."
"A passage of the Talmud (Sanh. 43a) ascribes five disciples to Jesus: "Matthai" (Matthew), "Nakai" (Luke), "Nezer" (Nazarene, a general designation for Christian in antiquity), "Boni" (probably the Nicodemus mentioned by John), and "Thoda" (Thaddæus). The following are mentioned in the "Toledot" (Huldricus, p. 35): "Simeon" (Peter), "Matthia" (Matthew), "Elikum" (Luke), "Mordecai" (Mark), "Thoda" (Thaddæus), and "Johannos" (John)—that is, the four evangelists plus Peter and Thaddæus. Paul is mentioned in another connection, and (p. 48) Judas "the betrayer": it is to be noted that the last-named does not occur at all in Talmudic legends."
"some medieval apologists for Judaism, as Naḥmanides and Salman Ẓebi, based on this fact their assertion that the "Yeshu'" mentioned in the Talmud was not identical with Jesus; this, however, is merely a subterfuge."
"Jesus performed all his miracles by means of magic"
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uh oh.....
right off the bat we have the UNPARDONABLE SIN.
so...Talmud harmless?
from: jewishencyclopedia.com - Jesus
"The Jewish legends in regard to Jesus are found in three sources, each independent of the others—(1) in New Testament apocrypha and Christian polemical works, (2) in the Talmud and the Midrash, and (3) in the life of Jesus ("Toledot Yeshu'") that originated in the Middle Ages.
It is the tendency of all these sources to be-little the person of Jesus by ascribing to him illegitimate birth, magic, and a shameful death. In view of their general character they are called indiscriminately legends."
"It is certain, in any case, that the rabbinical sources also regard Jesus as the "son of Pandera", although it is noteworthy that he is called also "Ben Sṭada" (Shab. 104b; Sanh. 67a)."
"According to Celsus (in Origen, "Contra Celsum," i. 28) and to the Talmud(Shab. 104b), Jesus learned magic in Egypt and performed his miracles by means of it;"
"Different in nature is the witchcraft attributed to Jesus in the "Toledot."
"A passage of the Talmud (Sanh. 43a) ascribes five disciples to Jesus: "Matthai" (Matthew), "Nakai" (Luke), "Nezer" (Nazarene, a general designation for Christian in antiquity), "Boni" (probably the Nicodemus mentioned by John), and "Thoda" (Thaddæus). The following are mentioned in the "Toledot" (Huldricus, p. 35): "Simeon" (Peter), "Matthia" (Matthew), "Elikum" (Luke), "Mordecai" (Mark), "Thoda" (Thaddæus), and "Johannos" (John)—that is, the four evangelists plus Peter and Thaddæus. Paul is mentioned in another connection, and (p. 48) Judas "the betrayer": it is to be noted that the last-named does not occur at all in Talmudic legends."
"some medieval apologists for Judaism, as Naḥmanides and Salman Ẓebi, based on this fact their assertion that the "Yeshu'" mentioned in the Talmud was not identical with Jesus; this, however, is merely a subterfuge."
"Jesus performed all his miracles by means of magic"
~
uh oh.....
right off the bat we have the UNPARDONABLE SIN.
so...Talmud harmless?