OSAS, When does salvation take place?

[NightTwister]

and if the Holy Spirit decides to use a person in the church to full fill a purpose, who would ultimately not be saved, how would this be any different than judas?

Talking donkeys aren't saved either.

 

[Burn1986]

Did that years ago and learned to accept, believe, and live according to the whole counsel of God.
I learned that churches and preachers should not be trusted and only God's Word can be trusted.

Studies have shown that a lot of sickness and disease is passed on to others when they visit hospitals.
The same is true with going to church as these places have become deception centers where people are deceived.

So you fasted for a week?

 

[enril]

Did that years ago and learned to accept, believe, and live according to the whole counsel of God.
I learned that churches and preachers should not be trusted and only God's Word can be trusted.

Studies have shown that a lot of sickness and disease is passed on to others when they visit hospitals.
The same is true with going to church as these places have become deception centers where people are deceived.

I probably shouldn't poke the fire, but according to MacArthur, the meaning of the word 'sorcery' in the bible is the same as medicine.

 

[ScooterJackson]

So you fasted for a week?

Usually 3 days at a time, but have gone up to 7 days.

 

[Burn1986]

Usually 3 days at a time, but have gone up to 7 days.

Got it. I posted a reply in the other thread of yours. It’s good to hear God about your salvation, but a lot of times He’ll show other things as well. You probably already know that.

 

[PennEd]

That's something those who have had their conscience seared with a hot iron frequently say

1 Timothy 4:1,2 - Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

You should learn to hear and think about all the Lord says in His Word rather than following the eisegesis of those who have infiltrated the church, as mentioned in Jude 1:4 the ungodly men who distort God's grace

Thanks for making my point!

You definitely need to change your name to “clanging gong”.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

 

[HeIsHere]

Amen!

And it is conditional election >>>> through faith.
Everyone is born able to believe in /trust in the Good News of Christ Jesus.

 

[Burn1986]

Usually 3 days at a time, but have gone up to 7 days.

I know you’re a big proponent (crusader) of losing your salvation, so I guess you would believe that you’d go to Hell if you commit suicide.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Amen!

And it is conditional election >>>> through faith.
Everyone is born able to believe in /trust in the Good News of Christ Jesus.

If He's told us that once, He's told us a hundred times.........just in the gospel of John.
That word that so many hard workers mock, believe (faith), is used exactlytimes in our king James Bible. Then again, in the final book is our Savior's last appeal to the lost.

I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

 

[HeIsHere]

If He's told us that once, He's told us a hundred times.........just in the gospel of John.
That word that so many hard workers mock, believe (faith), is used exactlytimes in our king James Bible. Then again, in the final book is our Savior's last appeal to the lost.

I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Thank you.

 

[ScooterJackson]

I know you’re a big proponent (crusader) of losing your salvation, so I guess you would believe that you’d go to Hell if you commit suicide.

Actually the Lord is the One teaching in His Word that salvation can be lost, and He's the One that said if a person destroys their body He would destroy them which means they will be separated from the Lord

People need to be aware of the consequences based on what God's Word actually teaches rather then the traditions of men which does not teach the whole counsel of the Lord.

 

[Billyd]

My question is, "Do you want to know if you are really saved?"

Stop this back and forth and spend a couple of days studying the book of 1 John. John tells you exactly what one who is saved will want to do and will make every effort to do it.

 

[Burn1986]

My question is, "Do you want to know if you are really saved?"

Stop this back and forth and spend a couple of days studying the book of 1 John. John tells you exactly what one who is saved will want to do and will make every effort to do it.

Actually the Lord is the One teaching in His Word that salvation can be lost, and He's the One that said if a person destroys their body He would destroy them which means they will be separated from the Lord

People need to be aware of the consequences based on what God's Word actually teaches rather then the traditions of men which does not teach the whole counsel of the Lord.

I think if we really obeyed Gods word, there is a lot that would be different in today’s services. For one, is the laying on of hands. The Bible says if there’s any sick among you let him come forth and have hands laid on them and prayed over for healing. Another one is laying on of hands to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Another one is feeding the poor and helping widows, taking homeless persons into our house, helping poor relatives, etc.

 

[ScooterJackson]

I think if we really obeyed Gods word, there is a lot that would be different in today’s services. For one, is the laying on of hands. The Bible says if there’s any sick among you let him come forth and have hands laid on them and prayed over for healing. Another one is laying on of hands to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Another one is feeding the poor and helping widows, taking homeless persons into our house, helping poor relatives, etc.

How many homeless people do you currently have living in your house?

And yes we should help the poor but where in scripture do you think wee are being told to invite homeless people to come live in our homes and how many should be invited per household according to scripture? Who comes first, our family or the homeless people?

Many of these folks are totally off their rockers so they may rape and murder your wife and children and rob you which can pretty much destroy your life and you would be the cause of all that by inviting crazy people in to your house. Are you prepared for this? There's some serious things to consider about all this before potentially bringing great harm to your family which is not taking care of them and looking after their well being.

And calling for elders of a church to lay hands and pray for the sick is few and far between these days since most "elders" aren't qualified biblical to be elders and not many believe the Lord is still in the healing business. Most think it's past away which is error of course because it has not passed away.

 

[Burn1986]

How many homeless people do you currently have living in your house?

And yes we should help the poor but where in scripture do you think wee are being told to invite homeless people to come live in our homes and how many should be invited per household according to scripture? Who comes first, our family or the homeless people?

Many of these folks are totally off their rockers so they may rape and murder your wife and children and rob you which can pretty much destroy your life and you would be the cause of all that by inviting crazy people in to your house. Are you prepared for this? There's some serious things to consider about all this before potentially bringing great harm to your family which is not taking care of them and looking after their well being.

Duh. What about helping poor relatives? What about raise the dead, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, etc? You mentioned the Bible must be followed “to the letter” in essence, so I’m assuming you’re following it to the letter, or else you’ll lose your salvation. Or, just be considered one who “ Doesn’t follow the whole Bible”. What about “…having faith and are praying…”

 

[enril]

How many homeless people do you currently have living in your house?

And yes we should help the poor but where in scripture do you think wee are being told to invite homeless people to come live in our homes and how many should be invited per household according to scripture? Who comes first, our family or the homeless people?

Many of these folks are totally off their rockers so they may rape and murder your wife and children and rob you which can pretty much destroy your life and you would be the cause of all that by inviting crazy people in to your house. Are you prepared for this? There's some serious things to consider about all this before potentially bringing great harm to your family which is not taking care of them and looking after their well being.

And calling for elders of a church to lay hands and pray for the sick is few and far between these days since most "elders" aren't qualified biblical to be elders and not many believe the Lord is still in the healing business. Most think it's past away which is error of course because it has not passed away.

Not unrepentant druggies people who have no home. there are people who have no home who did not sell it for drug money.

 

[Burn1986]

My question is, "Do you want to know if you are really saved?"

Stop this back and forth and spend a couple of days studying the book of 1 John. John tells you exactly what one who is saved will want to do and will make every effort to do it.

Pretty sure the only studying Scooter is gonna do is, how to ingest more gunpowder and vinegar directly into his system to enact old timey “tough love” with his Remington bolt action Bible

 

[enril]

My question is, "Do you want to know if you are really saved?"

Stop this back and forth and spend a couple of days studying the book of 1 John. John tells you exactly what one who is saved will want to do and will make every effort to do it.

I should do this. I don't really read my bible consistently, and I don't think reading through in a year is really effective. Memorization seems better, and targeted studying.

 

[ScooterJackson]

What about helping poor relatives?

That should be a little different then inviting strangers off the streets to come live with you, but relatives can be quite nutty and dangerous as well to your wife and children

What about raise the dead, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, etc?

That's all biblical. Glad to hear you believe that. How many people have you raised from the dead? Cleansed any leper lately?

I’m assuming you’re following it to the letter, or else you’ll lose your salvation. Or, just be considered one who “ Doesn’t follow the whole Bible”. What about “…having faith and are praying…”

Ah, the back peddle to avoid answering question about what you say you believe.

there are people who have no home who did not sell it for drug money.

This is true. You got folks like this living with you?

Pretty sure the only studying Scooter is gonna do is, how to ingest more gunpowder and vinegar directly into his system to enact old timey “tough love” with his Remington bolt action Bible

You're in error, again as usual.