The Noahide Laws

zone · Nov 11, 2011

Masonry & Talmudism
The Seven Laws of Noah

The seven laws listed by the Tosefta and the Talmud are:

Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of law courts

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"NOAHCHIDAE: The descendants of Noah, and the transmitters of his religious dogmas, which were the unity of God and the immortality of the soul. The name has from the earliest times been bestowed upon the Freemasons, who teach the same doctrines. Thus in the 'old charges,' as quoted by Anderson (Const. edit. 1738, p. 143), it is said, 'A mason is obliged by his tenure to observe the moral law as a true Noachidae."

- The Symbolism of Freemasonry, Albert Mackey

"Noachidae, Noachites. The descendents of Noah. A term applied to Freemasons. Noah having alone preserved the true name and worship of God, amid a race of impious idolaters. Freemasons claim to be his descendents, because they still preserve that pure religion which distinguished this second father of the human race from the rest of the world. And even when his descendents began again, in the plains of Shinar, to forget the Almighty, and to wander from the path of purity, the principles of Noah were still perpetuated by that portion of his race whom the Freemasons of the present day regard as their early predecessors. Hence, Freemasons call themselves Noachidae, or the sons of Noah."

- Mackey, Lexicon of Freemasonry, page 324, 2004, Barnes and Noble Publishing, Inc.

"Noah, Precepts of. The precepts of the patriarch Noah, which were preserved as the constitutions of our ancient brethren, are seven in number, and are as follows: 1. Renounce all idols 2. Worship the only true God. 3. Commit no murder. 4. Be not defiled by incest. 5. Do not steal. 6. Be just. 7. Eat no flesh with blood in it. The 'proselytes of the gate', as the Jews termed those who lived among them without undergoing circumcision, or observing the ceremonial law, were bound to obey the seven precepts of Noah."

- Mackey, Lexicon of Freemasonry, page 325, 2004, Barnes and Noble Publishing, Inc

The seven laws listed by the Tosefta and the Talmud are:

Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of law courts

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Talmud & Noahide Laws harmless?
secret societies founded on them: conspiracy theory?

zone · Nov 11, 2011

NoahsMom said:

amen...mine also.
Dad underwent 2 surgeries (one for cancer just one week ago) and is already home and recovering.
God is good. mine is scheduled for january. i'm assured it'll be okay - something new

plus i got a new raccoon in my yard! love those guys (little robbers that they are tho)

zone · Nov 11, 2011

THE TALMUD IS NOT MOSES & THE PROPHETS.

Mishneh Torah
Sefer Madda
Avodah Kochavim
Chapter 9
Halacha 4

The Canaanites are idol worshipers, and Sunday is their festival. Accordingly, in Eretz Yisrael, it is forbidden to conduct transactions with them on Thursday and Friday each and every week, and, needless to say, on Sunday itself, when transactions with them are forbidden everywhere.

Mishneh Torah
Sefer Kedushah
MaAchalot Assurot
Chapter 11

With regard to any gentile who does not serve false deities, e.g., the Arabs: It is forbidden to drink his wine, but it is permitted to benefit from it. The Geonim rule in this manner. With regard to those who worship false deities, by contrast, it is forbidden to benefit from their ordinary wine

FOOTNOTE:
[Our translation follows the standard version of the Mishneh Torah. The uncensored text reads: "Christians, by contrast, are idolaters. It is forbidden to benefit...." The Rama (Orach Chayim 155:1) rules that Christianity violates only the prohibition against ****uf, worshipping another entity together with God, and gentiles are not prohibited against such worship. It must be emphasized that today, though many gentiles are nominally Christian, their observance is minimal and they have an awareness of monotheism.

See also the statements of the Rama (Yoreh De'ah 123:1, 124:24) who quotes opinions that maintain that in the present age, it is not customary for gentiles to pour wine as libations to false deities. Nevertheless, the prohibition against drinking such wine, however, remains intact.]

hmmmm....SO NO LORD' SUPPER FOR CHRISTIANS?

Mishneh Torah
Sefer Shofetim
Melachim uMilchamot
Chapter 8

By the same regard, Moses was commanded by the Almighty to compel all the inhabitants of the world to accept the commandments given to Noah's descendants.

If one does not accept these commands, he should be executed. A person who formally accepts these commands is called a resident alien. This applies in any place. This acceptance must be made in the presence of three Torah scholars.

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oh.
the Talmud looks harmless.
no threat whatsoever to Christians.
the Noahide Laws are good. and 2+2=5

QUESTION: was MOSES commanded by the Almighty to compel all the inhabitants of the world to accept the commandments given to Noah's descendants?

zone · Nov 11, 2011

Talmud
According to Judaism, as expressed in the Talmud, the Noachide Laws apply to all humanity through humankind's descent from one paternal ancestor, the head of the only family to survive The Flood, who in Hebrew tradition is called Noah. In Judaism, בני נח B'nei Noah (Hebrew, "Descendants of Noah", "Children of Noah") refers to all of humankind.[13] The Talmud also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a). Any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as one of "the righteous among the gentiles".

Historically, some rabbinic opinions consider non-Jews not only not obligated to adhere to all the remaining laws of the Torah, but are actually forbidden to observe them.[16] The Noachide Laws are regarded as the way through which non-Jews can have a direct and meaningful relationship with God, or at least comply with the minimal requisites of civilization and of divine law...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide_Laws

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hey.
wait a second: it said

"According to Judaism, as expressed in the Talmud, the Noachide Laws apply to all humanity "

but then it said:

"Any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as one of "the righteous among the gentiles".

what's going on here.
i guess ALL HUMANITY doesn't really mean ALL.
unless the other group is something more than mere humanity.

we'll see..........

NoahsMom · Nov 11, 2011

amen...mine also.
Dad underwent 2 surgeries (one for cancer just one week ago) and is already home and recovering.
God is good. mine is scheduled for january. i'm assured it'll be okay - something new

AMEN! God is good, may he wrap you in his peace, his blessings, his blessed assurance, INDEED you will be ok....he wants only the best for his children. He has held my hand throughout my life and I never intend to let go.

Crossfire · Nov 11, 2011

*shaking head*

And it was Luther's Antisemitism which inspired a nation (Germany) to follow a demon possessed psychopath by the name of Adolph Hitler who not only attempted to commit genocide on the Jew but also tried to take over the world.

I once scoffed at a comment someone once made linking Amillennialists to Islam. I could not comprehend what would bring a "Christian" and a Muslim together. Now I see the connection.

If anything is powerful enough to usher in a One World Government / Religion, it's Antisemitism.

zone · Nov 11, 2011

Crossfire said:

that's hilarious!!
can i use it?

ya....i forgot to add dispenational Scofieldism into your mixed bag of 'doctrines'...thanks for the reminder.

who funded adolf hitler? any clue yet?

oops.....

uh oh.....the issue might be a teeny bit more complex than your "research" shows?

"If anything is powerful enough to usher in a One World Government / Religion, it's Antisemitism"

you haven't shown who is a semite yet....you can't. you're a dispensationalist.
the one world govt and religion is actually antigoyism.

Crossfire · Nov 11, 2011

zone said:

that's hilarious!!
can i use it?

ya....i forgot to add dispenational Scofieldism into your mixed bag of 'doctrines'...thanks for the reminder.

who funded adolf hitler? any clue yet?

oops.....

uh oh.....the issue might be a teeny bit more complex than your "research" shows?

"If anything is powerful enough to usher in a One World Government / Religion, it's Antisemitism"

you haven't shown who is a semite yet....you can't. you're a dispensationalist.
the one world govt and religion is actually antigoyism.

You forgot Henry Ford...

zone · Nov 11, 2011

Crossfire said:

tell us all about him.
but start at the BEGINNING.

sooooo.......we had demon-possessed hitler appearing from nowhere....who was adolf hitler?
now...seriously. um.....do you know much about the BOYCOTT germany mission? what happened between ww 1 & 2?

QUESTION: is the Talmud okay for Christians to play nice with?

a yes or no or full dissertation will be good. post away.

NoahsMom · Nov 11, 2011

Henry ford was a socialist. The nazi party was a republican party in the beginning.............so .................................Im not gettin it.

zone · Nov 11, 2011

What is the belief in Mashiach?

One of the principles of Jewish faith enumerated by Maimonides is that one day there will arise a dynamic Jewish leader, a direct descendant of the Davidic dynasty, who will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem and gather Jews from all over the world and bring them back to the Land of Israel.

All the nations of the world will recognise Mashiach to be a world leader and will accept his dominion. In the messianic era there will be world peace, no more wars nor famine and, in general, a high standard of living.

All mankind will worship one G–d and live a more spiritual and moral way of life. The Jewish nation will be preoccupied with learning Torah and fathoming its secrets.

The coming of Mashiach will complete G–d’s purpose in creation: for man to make an abode for G–d in the lower worlds; to reveal the inherent spirituality in the material world.

Chabad.org

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is the god of Judaism THE I AM?

zone · Nov 11, 2011

Could Mashiach come at any time in any generation?

Yes. In every generation there is a person who potentially could be the Mashiach. When G–d decides the time has arrived, He will bestow upon that individual the necessary powers for him to precipitate that redemption.

Any potential Mashiach must be a direct descendant of King David as well as erudite in Torah learning. It should be noted that many people living today can trace their lineage back to King David.

The Chief Rabbi of Prague in the 16th Century, Rabbi Yehuda Loew (the Maharal), had a family tree that traced him back to the Davidic dynasty. Consequently, any direct descendant of the Maharal is of Davidic descent.

Maimonides, a great Jewish philosopher and codifier of the 12th Century, rules that if we recognise a human being who possesses the superlative qualities ascribed to Mashiach we may presume that he is the potential Mashiach. If this individual actually succeeds in rebuilding the Temple and gathering in the exiles then he is the Mashiach.

Chabad.org

descendants of Rabbi Yehuda Loew (the Maharal):

Oppenheimer Family
Hirsch Family
Loeb Family

Descended from LOEB Family:

Menahem Mendel SCHNEURSOHN (1902-1994), descendant of Maharal along with the other Lubavitcher Rabbis.
Albert EINSTEIN
Karl MARX
Jacob Moses TOLEDANO (1880-1960) [Minister of Religious Affairs in the Ben Gurion government]
Otto BRAUN
Senator John F. KERRY
Ralph LAUREN
ROTHSCHILD family

Leob Family Tree

“The effect of Mayer Amschel Rothschild's will was to establish the kingdom of the Jews that has since been governed by his male descendants. Wherever a Jew is located, whatever nationality he may claim, he is a subject of this kingdom; his allegiance and duty to it supersedes his allegiance and duty to the country in which he dwells”

- George Armstrong, Rothschild Money Trust, p.24

“The Rothschilds govern a Christian world. Not a cabinet moves without their advice. They stretch their hand, with equal ease, from Petersburg to Vienna, from Vienna to Paris, from Paris to London, from London to Washington. Baron Rothschild, the head of the house, is the true king of Judah, the prince of the captivity, the Messiah so long looked for by this extraordinary people...The lion of the tribe of Judah, Baron Rothschild, possesses more real force than David; more wisdom than Solomon”

- Anka Muhlstein, Baron James, The Rise of the French Rothschilds (sympathetic to rothschilds)

zone · Nov 11, 2011

General Information
The Grand Lodge of the State of Israel was consecrated on October 20, 1953 at the Y.M.C.A. Hall in Jerusalem.

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The first Masonic Lodge in the Holy Land was the Royal Solomon Mother Lodge No. 293, under the Grand Lodge of Canada in Ontario, whose first meeting was held in the King Solomon's Quarries of Jerusalem on May 7, 1873.
Before that, an occasional assembly of Masons performed a Secret Monitor ceremony in the same location on May 13, 1868.

zone · Nov 11, 2011

Talmud
Kol Nidrei
lying/disavowing a vow/oath is okay.

Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Nedarim

Folio 23a

MISHNAH. R. ELIEZER B. JACOB SAID: ALSO HE WHO WISHES TO SUBJECT HIS FRIEND TO A VOW TO EAT WITH HIM, SHOULD DECLARE: 'EVERY VOW WHICH I MAY MAKE IN THE FUTURE SHALL BE NULL'. [HIS VOWS ARE THEN INVALID,] PROVIDING THAT HE REMEMBERS THIS AT THE TIME OF THE VOW.

GEMARA. But since he says, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null,' he will surely not listen to him and not come to [eat with] him? —

The text is defective, and this is what was taught: He who desires his friend to eat with him, and after urging him, imposes a vow upon him, it is 'a vow of incitement [and hence invalid]. And he who desires that none of his vows made during the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null.1 [HIS VOWS ARE THEN INVALID,] PROVIDING THAT HE REMEMBERS THIS AT THE TIME OF THE VOW. But if he remembers, he has cancelled the declaration and confirmed the vow?2 — Abaye answered: Read: providing that it is not remembered at the time of the vow. Raba said, After all, it is as we said originally.3 Here the circumstances are e.g., that one stipulated at the beginning of the year, but does not know in reference to what. Now he vows. Hence, if he remembers [the stipulation] and he declares: 'I vow in accordance with my original intention', his vow has no reality. But if he does not declare thus, he has cancelled his stipulation and confirmed his vow.

http://halakhah.com/nedarim/nedarim_23.html

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what does THE TRUE TORAH SAY?

Numbers 30:2
If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

Leviticus 19:12
And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

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is the Talmud harmless?
for jews or Christians?

is the Talmud from God?
or from BABYLON?

zone · Nov 11, 2011

DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY (Christian Zionism) KILLS:

May 24, 2011 12:59pm

Israeli Prime Minister Gets 29 Standing Ovations in Congress, Sends Message to White House*

ABC's Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) reports:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech before a joint meeting of Congress had all trappings of a State of the Union address by a president with sky-high approval ratings.

Speaking to a packed House chamber with Speaker Boehner and Vice President Biden over his shoulders, Netanyahu was repeatedly interrupted by applause – including more than 20 standing ovations.

One of his biggest applause lines was aimed directly at President Obama.

“Israel will not return to the indefensible boundaries of 1967,” Netanyahu said, prompting a big standing ovation.

Later he added: “Israel on the 1967 lines would be only 9 miles wide. So much for defensible borders.”

As Netanyahu himself pointed out, the President has not called on Israel to return to the exact 1967 borders. The President has said that a peace agreement should be “based on 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps."

Read more on what Netanyahu said in the speech and how it relates to recent U.S. foreign policy.

Nevertheless, Netanyahu's speech – and the thunderous bi-partisan response – was a clear challenge to the idea of using the 1967 boundaries – with or without “swaps” — as a basis for a peace deal.

Netanyahu also got big ovations with hard-line statements on two other perennial sticking points to Israeli-Palestinian peace agreements: No right of return for Palestinian refugees, insisted, and “Jerusalem will never again be divided. Israel must remain the united Capital of Israel.”

Netanyahu arguably got an warmer reception than President Obama received during his last state of the union and certainly a warmer reception than he’d receive at the Knesset. When the speech was over, he lingered for a while at the podium as it seemed he didn’t want to leave.

*UPDATE: President Obama got 25 standing ovations from Congress during his 2011 State of the Union address. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got 29 today.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/05/israeli-prime-minister-gets-20-standing-ovations-in-congress-sends-message-to-white-house/

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what on earth are you doing America?
huh?

Congress would NEVER pass LAWS for Talmudists

who did 9-11?

zone · Nov 11, 2011

JEW and Israeli ex-pat, former IDF Gilad Atzmon (not Christian, but 'humanist') SPEAKS - and is hatred, attacked, and slandered:

Gilad Atzmon: The Bund- A Disturbing Jewish Political Exercise (must watch)

Thursday, November 10, 2011 at 11:54AM

Gilad Atzmon

Introduction by Gilad Atzmon: A few years ago I saw a small extract of this film (The story of the Bund in Israel- film by Eran Torbiner). This week a bigger chunk of the documentary was left on youtube.

http://youtu.be/SvmcRKvyrWk

This is a film about the ‘Jews only’ socialist party- The Bund. In the documentary you can watch for yourself ‘young’ revolutionary Bundists in action. In spite of being ‘Socialists’ and ‘Internationalists’, they, for some reason, ended up living in a ‘Jews only’ State in occupied Palestine at the expense of the Palestinians.

I guess that this may as well be, the real meaning of ‘Jewish socialism’- You sing the International in Yiddish on someone else’s land.

By the way, we do not have an access to the entire film, but so far, I didn’t notice a single reference to Palestine, Palestinians their cause or plight.

Towards the end, Bundist Yaakov Belek speaks nostalgically about the pre war Bund in Poland (7:41). His words are an insight into Jewish progressive supremacy and exceptionalism. It is almost disturbing to watch and listen. “The Bund was a unique Party” he says. “It wasn’t like any other party… it was an empire. A bund member was a different kind of person. Maybe I am a patriot but this is how it was. For years we grew bigger and bigger. Before the beginning of WWII it was the largest party in Poland. We possessed* everything. We had the youth, future, SKIP **, sport, so many schools, we were the new type, we were the new man’

It seems to me, as if Belek himself fails to grasp that he is outlining the true meaning of Jewish Power, we are special, we are unique, we are an empire, the future and we posses everything. I guess that AIPAC and CFI members are also blind to the potential danger entangled with their so-called ‘success’.

For a full deconstruction of Jewish Identity Politics (Left, right and centre) The Wandering Who, available on Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk

*GA: my translation from Hebrew
**GA: SKIP is a sociality youth movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sotsyalistishe_Kinder_Farband

To read more about Tribal 'Marxism' and progressive thought:
1. Gilad Atzmon - Writings - Gilad Atzmon: "Tribal Marxism forDummies"
2. Gilad Atzmon - Writings - THINK TRIBAL, SPEAK UNIVERSAL by GiladAtzmon

Gilad Atzmon - Writings - Gilad Atzmon: The Bund- A Disturbing Jewish Political Exercise (mustwatch)

antisemite?
conspiracy theorist?
antisemite?
conspiracy theorist?
antisemite?
conspiracy theorist?

let's throw nazi in there too, since it's in the mix....it always is.

he answers emails....talk to him.

eternally-gratefull · Nov 11, 2011

Crossfire said:

I agree. If one looks at the history of the world since jacob's name was changed to Israel. There has not been a more hated group of people., The fact that they are still living as a people group, even though scattered throughout the Earth should be mind boggling. And prove God has still kept his covenant with Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

These conspiracty theories just amaze me! That the same world that hates these people. would give any credance to anything they have to say.

iamsoandso · Nov 11, 2011

also if you search in "national archives" preston bush ,sr's father and jr's grandfather was at the time the main suplier of both steel and chemacles for munitions for adolfe hitler and in 1943 they had congresional hearings and forced him to stop suppling hitler,,,,wich seems odd to me "only two years left in the war....i thought this was only a rumer at first myself so i searched for it ,,,,if you gogle it you will find the "national archives #" then you can go to it and read it a the the archives

ada · Nov 11, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

I agree. If one looks at the history of the world since jacob's name was changed to Israel. There has not been a more hated group of people., The fact that they are still living as a people group, even though scattered throughout the Earth should be mind boggling. And prove God has still kept his covenant with Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

These conspiracty theories just amaze me! That the same world that hates these people. would give any credance to anything they have to say.

Their g_d is satan don't you understand?

eternally-gratefull · Nov 11, 2011

ada said:

what does that have to do with anything? It was prophesied that this would happen. and you seem confused?? or scared?? Of what?

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