Future sins

[mailmandan]

Thus the claim God made all men sinners.

God formed babies in their momma's belly so they claim God put the sin in them

Straw man argument. Don't blame God for our fallen nature.

Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Romans 5:12 - Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all have sinned.

1 Corinthians 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

 

[Genez]

Thus the claim God made all men sinners.

God formed babies in their momma's belly so they claim God put the sin in them

God did not make all men sinners.

Adam's sperm accomplished that feat.
The sin nature is in the flesh.

That is why it says when Adam fell, we all fell.
For the sin nature is transferred in reproduction of new bodies containing the same acquired fallen nature that Adam deposited in Eve.

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, ​

and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—​

Romans 5:12

The Greek holds an interesting meaning for when we read "all sinned."

In this way death came to all people, because all sinned.​

The Greek means that in a single moment in time "we all sinned."
Adam with his fallen state in sexual reproduction sealed our fate to being born sinners!

grace and peace ............

 

[Burn1986]

The bible is the place to find answers to your questions.

Thanks Captain Obvious. But… is wresting real?

Yeah, okay

 

[ScooterJackson]

Our fallen nature resides in the flesh.
The Flesh is the king on its throne of our depravity.

Yes this excuse is used frequently by followers of reformed theology to go ahead and live in sin believing they can do so and still be saved. They are very sadly mistaken as they will find out in eternity.

God saves our souls.
Not our bodies.

I see so a person's body goes out and does sin and the person has no idea what the body is out doing late at night.
The gnostics taught garbage like this after the devil deceived them by twisting Romans 7 to get them to believe living in sin is normal and it's not possible to cease from sin and everybody does sin.

It's too bad they didn't teach the whole counsel of God so you would know the Lord does hold us accountable for sins our body does because He holds us responsible for controlling our flesh

1 Corinthians 6:20 - For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Romans 12:1 - I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

 

[ScooterJackson]

The sin nature is in the flesh.

Not for the born again person who has been bought with a price who walks after the Spirit.

Romans 8:11-14
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

You are aware that self control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit right?
We are to control ourselves by the power of the Holy Spirit within.

Those not submitting themselves to the leading of the Holy Spirit become separated from the Lord which is spiritual death according to Romans 8:13 which is not speaking of physical death as all these people are living in sin and still alive physically.

 

[Davidstarr]

Yes this excuse is used frequently by followers of reformed theology to go ahead and live in sin believing they can do so and still be saved. They are very sadly mistaken as they will find out in eternity.



I see so a person's body goes out and does sin and the person has no idea what the body is out doing late at night.
The gnostics taught garbage like this after the devil deceived them by twisting Romans 7 to get them to believe living in sin is normal and it's not possible to cease from sin and everybody does sin.

It's too bad they didn't teach the whole counsel of God so you would know the Lord does hold us accountable for sins our body does because He holds us responsible for controlling our flesh

1 Corinthians 6:20 - For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Romans 12:1 - I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

I think I would add Rom 8:7 "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

If one is at enmity (the word means an enemy) against God then it is impossible to that person to keep God's law.

 

[Genez]

Not for the born again person who has been bought with a price who walks after the Spirit.

Romans 8:11-14
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

You are aware that self control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit right?
We are to control ourselves by the power of the Holy Spirit within.

Those not submitting themselves to the leading of the Holy Spirit become separated from the Lord which is spiritual death according to Romans 8:13 which is not speaking of physical death as all these people are living in sin and still alive physically.

You just jumped to a different emphasis.
Here is my post again... https://christianchat.com/threads/future-sins.225166/post-5845266

Apples and oranges.
We still need to deal with our flesh by grace.

Why should we even need self-control?
Because?
We still have a body of corruption working against us.

When you have your resurrection body, there will be no more need to walk in Romans 8:11-14.

 

[ScooterJackson]

We still need to deal with our flesh by grace.

Yes, the true grace of the Lord empowers us with His Spirit so we control our flesh rather than making excuses for our flesh controlling us resulting in walking after the flesh in sin. Remember, it's by the Holy Spirit that we reign in life through Jesus and His Word.

Titus 2:11,12 - For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

I didn't say anything that can or would be done apart from the true grace of the Lord.
But, those walking in fake grace will claim I'm saying to do things apart from the Lord.

Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Notice the "through Christ" part there?

Why should we even need self-control?

Amazing question. Because the fruit of the Spirit is the attributes of the Lord present in the Holy Spirit that should be in all of us

Galatians 5:22–23 says the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

Proverbs 4:23 - Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

We still have a body of corruption working against us.

No, those who do not accept the whole counsel of God are taught nothing can be done about the flesh and they cannot control the urges of the flesh which is why they are so sin friendly and cannot cease from sin. They've been taught wrong. The certainly don't believe and walk in Romans 8:11-14 or Galatians 5:16

Galatians 5:16 - This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Romans 8:11-14
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

They need to start believing and walking in these passages as well:
Ephesians 4:22-24 - put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14 - put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10 - And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

Telling the Lord on judgement day that the flesh could not be controlled and there was no way to cease from sin ain't gonna cut the mustard

 

[Genez]

Yes this excuse is used frequently by followers of reformed theology to go ahead and live in sin believing they can do so and still be saved. They are very sadly mistaken as they will find out in eternity.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.​

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If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us ​

from all unrighteousness.​

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If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.​

1 John 1:8-10

 

[Davidstarr]

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.​

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If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us ​

from all unrighteousness.​

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If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.​

1 John 1:8-10

Is a person guilty of committing a sin which they have not done yet?

 

[Genez]

Is a person guilty of committing a sin which they have not done yet?

Here is your answer...

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours ​

but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 Jn 2:2​

So are you guilty? Going to hell for it? NO.

The only sin that can affect us negatively is by refusing to acknowledge and accepting 1 John 1:9 when we sin.
Negatively?
By refusing 1 John 1:9. To refuse cuts us off from walking in the filling of the Spirit.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins ​

and purify us from all unrighteousness.​

Acknowledging your sin to God has God who will faithfully purify you.
Otherwise? God cannot be one with you as you walk in unconfessed sin.

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only. ​

But now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; ​

for it is God who is at work in you, both to desire and to work for His good pleasure.​

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Philippians 2:12-13

 

[ScooterJackson]

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10

Yes, if we say we have never sinned or that there is not past sins on our record.

The problem is the fake grace people telling others that it's not possible to lose salvation.
God's Word does not actually teach that, but you bible school boys wouldn't know that.

 

[Genez]

Yes, if we say we have never sinned or that there is not past sins on our record.

The problem is the fake grace people telling others that it's not possible to lose salvation.
God's Word does not actually teach that, but you bible school boys wouldn't know that.

You better pray you cannot lose your salvation.

But first you have to find it.

 

[ScooterJackson]

You better pray you cannot lose your salvation.

But first you have to find it.

Comedy hour with Genez is still in session!
Thanks for the humor! Shows your desperation.

 

[Drich]

If the sins where all forgiven on the cross, then any sin that happened on the cross is a 'future sin' and that sin is/was forgiven on the cross

 

[ScooterJackson]

If the sins where all forgiven on the cross, then any sin that happened on the cross is a 'future sin' and that sin is/was forgiven on the cross

Romans 3:25 - Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

When we get born again only sins past are washed way and we have a clean slate and a new beginning in the Lord as a new creature in Christ.

The Blood of Jesus is available to wash away sins committed after we got born again, but only if we forsake and confess our sins to the Lord which results in us being cleansed of unrighteousness and back in right standing with the Lord

Proverbs 28:13 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The reason for this is because God's Kingdom is built upon seedtime and harvest. What we sow is what we reap, and to say this is not true is to mock God (Gal 6) which is exactly what many are doing in the end times as the love of many has run cold and the falling way is growing larger with each passing day

 

[Genez]

If the sins where all forgiven on the cross, then any sin that happened on the cross is a 'future sin' and that sin is/was forgiven on the cross

Exactly!

2000 years ago, Jesus paid for all of man's sins.
To think we can lose our salvation is to think God forgot something when Jesus was hanging on the Cross.

Personal sin does not send a man to Hell.
Only one thing does that.

The rejection of Jesus Christ.
Jesus could not reject himself as he hung on the Cross.
He could not pay for that evil.

In the meanwhile...

Jesus did say the poor we will always have with us.
Matthew 26:11

Therefore, poor reasoning ability of some will always be found amongst us.

 

[Genez]

Yes, if we say we have never sinned or that there is not past sins on our record.

The problem is the fake grace people telling others that it's not possible to lose salvation.
God's Word does not actually teach that, but you bible school boys wouldn't know that.

Have you ever read John 6:37-40?
Or were you only looking at words printed on a page?

All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. ​

For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. ​

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And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise ​

them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in ​

him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”​

Note!

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me.​

It is the Father's will that Jesus loses none of all the Father gives to him.
So?
To lose our salvation would mean that Jesus failed to do the Father's will!

Not doing too well. Are you?

Still jealous of others who are happy with their salvation?
Still resent them?

Resentment and jealousy are sins.

Why do you feel like you are a loser?
Needing to desire others to become losers?

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[Genez]

Romans 3:25 - Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

When we get born again only sins past are washed way and we have a clean slate and a new beginning in the Lord as a new creature in Christ.

The Blood of Jesus is available to wash away sins committed after we got born again, but only if we forsake and confess our sins to the Lord which results in us being cleansed of unrighteousness and back in right standing with the Lord

Proverbs 28:13 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The reason for this is because God's Kingdom is built upon seedtime and harvest. What we sow is what we reap, and to say this is not true is to mock God (Gal 6) which is exactly what many are doing in the end times as the love of many has run cold and the falling way is growing larger with each passing day

What about deathbed conversions?

 

[Genez]

Romans 3:25 - Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

A confusing translation like that one gives your kind juicy meat to devour.

Romans 3:25 is saying?

Was that before the Cross was accomplished?
God withheld punishment for past sins.

Read it now, as we would normally say it today.

God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—​

to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his ​

forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.​

It is dangerous to be ignorant and stupid in the spiritual warfare we all must face.
Demons can easily use a negative person easily that way, making him a disciple of demons.

Something badly translated?
Is presenting Jesus Christ in a distorted way.
That is why the Devil (disguising himself as being the Holy Spirit) loves promoting the KJV.

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