Obedience REQUIRED

[Everlasting-Grace]

Under grace means that works good or evil do matter?

Thks

under grace it means that you can not earn something by what you do or do not do. and you cannot unearn it.

 

[mailmandan]

Begun in grace!
Done in grace!
Finished in grace!

All the power of Grace and the life of grace, it don't mean works ain't involved but that these works are empowered by grace!

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Thks

Grace is God's unmerited favor in which He shows us mercy, kindness, and patience instead of the judgment that we deserve for sinning against Him. God's grace cannot be earned by our actions/performance/works. Grace is based on the character of God and not on our sincerity, performance, or ability to keep the law. Otherwise, grace would not be grace.

Romans 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

Galatians 2:21, "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

2 Timothy 1:9, "who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity."

God's grace (enabling power) operates sovereignly in the lives of believers.

1 Corinthians 15:10 - But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.

2 Corinthians 1:12 - For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you.

2 Corinthians 12:9 - And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in you.

 

[rogerg]

esus promises salvation to the humble?

Matthew 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Thks

Amazingrace,
your claim that Matthew 11:29 proves that humility buys salvation has it reversed. You are trying to turn the Savior's personal character into a human work used to earn the free gift of salvation. Matthew 11:27 states that no man knows the Father "save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." A dead sinner cannot manufacture humility to find favor with God: they can only know God if the Son had unilaterally chosen to reveal Him to them. No one can know Jesus as being "meek and lowly in heart" to find rest for their souls, unless Jesus is first revealed, but Jesus is not revealed to everyone, only to His spiritual children, to His called.
Matthew 11:28 states: "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." Someone realizing they are heavy laden from weight of sin and their works are the evidence that the person has already been made spiritually alive by God's grace - it is a result, not a cause. Natural man is dead in sins and is proud of his works for salvation - he loves them and believes they will save him; he is not heavy ladened by them. It is only after the Son reveals the Father that someone realizes they are heavy laden. Jesus is calling His living sheep out of legalistic framework to rest in His finished work. He does not trade rest for human compliance: He gives it freely to His chosen. When He states that He is meek and lowly in heart, He is describing Himself as the gentle Savior who carries the entire burden for His sheep. True spiritual humility is the effect of God quickening a dead heart; it is never used to purchase salvation.

 

[Lamar]

The question is not who claims the Spirit, but which interpretation best fits what God has actually said.

I agree with much of what you have written but the question of who claims the Spirit must be addressed before most other matters are approached.

Some here maintain that the Holy Spirit is gifted with physical manifestations, such as tongues.

Some insist that it is gifted at some point in time during a sincere moment of faith.

Others believe it is gifted during water baptism.

Many believe that only God will decide the moment the gift is given and we must simply wait.

Still others accept that it is gifted by the laying on of hands by another person who claims to have this ability.

All of these options cannot be correct. It is even possible that all of these may be wrong.

Claims of Baptism of the Holy Spirit are presented as proof of salvation as well as a sign of a right standing with God.

And a right standing with God is evidence of a correct theology or so the story goes.

 

[amazingrace]

(((Conditional perseverance))

ex 20 mt 19:17 1 tim 6:14 keep the commandments
deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God within all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
ez 36:25-27 ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Mk 13:13 mt 10:22 endure to the end
Matt 7:14 narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life
Matt 16:24 If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matt 24:13 endure to the end
Jn 3:16 continues in believing
Jn 15:4 abide in christ
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing
Jn 15:10 keep my commandments
Rom 1:5 obedience
Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 tim 5:12 lost faith
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth

1 John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Perseverance is conditional and requires our participation and faithfulness!

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Acts 18

24And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. (Acts 19:4)
26And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. 27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace: 28For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

 

[Roger316]

What verse 9

Explain your concept of grace don't forget 1Jn 1:6=7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

And

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Thks

The Biblical concept of Grace is defined as "unmerited favor" and is well illustrated by Jesus' parable of the prodigal son. The parable depicts a younger brother who takes his inheritance and leaves the house. He squanders the money and falls into poverty. During his struggle to live as a homeless person on the street, without the means to survive, he decides to return home. He decides it would be better to live as a servant in his father's house than to starve on the street. When he returned home, his father greeted him with open arms and held a banquet to celebrate his son's return. The son turned to his father with a contrite heart, confessed his sins, and begged for forgiveness and blessing. The Father accepted his son's confession, humility, and contrition, and welcomed him back into the household.

1John 1:6-9
If we say that we have fellowship with him

Note John's premise. He is talking about those who make a claim to have fellowship with God. To have fellowship with someone is to share values, perspectives, and worldview in common. If we have fellowship with God, we share his perspective on righteousness, goodness, love, and truth. We like what he likes, and we hate what he hates.

and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

This is a common theme in the New Testament: Our actions are like signs whereby we communicate what we actually believe. For example, if the TV warns the city that a hurricane is coming, those who believe the warning will leave town; those who don't will stay home. The same principle applies to the Biblical truth claims.

The Bible teaches that God is light; he brings knowledge, wisdom, and moral goodness. The Bible also teaches that God does not lie or deceive anyone. Logically, those who claim to have fellowship with God would not walk in darkness or lie; they would always tell the truth and live by the truth.

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,

Unlike those who claim to have fellowship with God but walk in darkness, those who walk in the light not only have fellowship with God, but also with each other.

and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Among those who walk in the light, they all agree that the blood of Jesus cleanses from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Some people claim to have no sin. John doesn't flesh this out but in my experience, those who claim to have no sin, other than Jesus Christ, are rationalizing their sin, making excuses, and not walking in the light. They mistakenly think Christ lives without sinning, and they try to play the part of someone who doesn't sin. One person reasoned that human beings are allowed to make mistakes, so he redefined his sins as "mistakes". He would say, "I didn't sin; I made a mistake."

John points out that those who make a claim to have no sin are lying to themselves. They are self-deceived. The truth is not in them. The fellowship of believers honestly admits moral failings and missteps.

If we confess our sins,
Obviously, those who claim they have no sin will not confess their sins. So what John is about to say applies exclusively to those who have the courage and the honesty to confess their sins. In addition, we must not lose track of the other attributes associated with the fellowship of believers; they walk in the light, they believe that Christ died for their sins, they walk in the truth, they have fellowship with God. These people are not lax about sin. But they are willing to admit when they were wrong.

he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Just as the father, in the parable of the Prodigal Son, forgave his son and cleaned him up and welcomed him home, Jesus forgives those in the fellowship of believers, cleans them up, and welcomes them home.


And

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Paul is talking about a different subject here. All teachers doubt their own adequacy, especially as in Corinth; his audience is hostile, stubborn, unbelieving, and overly critical. Paul must have wondered what he was doing wrong to cause such resistance to his message. The Lord's message was clear and simple. Paul is not doing anything wrong. What the Lord gave him is all he needs. The effect of his ministry doesn't depend on Paul; it depends on the Holy Spirit. Whether someone receives his message or not is entirely out of his hands. Trust in God and trust in Jesus Christ.

 

[rogerg]

Perseverance is conditional and requires our participation and faithfulness!

No, I disagree.
Your final statement that perseverance is conditional and requires our participation and faithfulness completely misses the mark. You are confusing the practical fruit of spiritual life with the root cause of salvation. If what you suggest were true, then Christ would at best be a co-savior with man, and not THE Savior as Scripture unquestionably tells us that He is. Otherwise, what reason would there be for THE Savior, if not for Him to save?
Titus 3:4-5 states that the love of God our Savior appeared "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us." Your entire claim of conditional human participation and performance falls directly under works of righteousness which we have done, which the text explicitly states do not save. Further, Hebrews 10:14 states: "For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified." Christ did not purchase a temporary probation or a conditional contract: it paid for all sins once-and-for-all. Romans 11:6 states flatly that if salvation is by grace, then it is no more of works, otherwise grace is no more grace. True ongoing perseverance is the unstoppable effect of God quickening the dead hearts of His spiritual children; it is never a cause that can used by man to purchase their salvation.

 

[ScooterJackson]

Obedience is required, but perfect obedience is not required.

1 John 1:7 - if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin

This is speaking of sins not unto death (spiritual death, separation from God) that we are cleansed of speaking on mistakes as in falling short of absolute perfection when we forget something or drop something on the floor.

1 John 5:16,17 - If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

The things God's Word identify as being sinful are unto death (separation from God) which is why 1 John 5:16 tells us to not pray for those types of sins in others because THEY must confess and forsake their sins (Proverbs 28:13 and 1 John 1:9) unto death themselves in order to be cleansed of un righteousness and be back in right standing with the Lord.

When they sin they have sown to the flesh and have reaped corruption, so now they need to confess and forsake their sin which is sowing to the Spirit so they can reap life. Many have been falsely taught that they can sin and not reap corruption which is mocking God according to Galatians 6:7,8

 

[ScooterJackson]

"Death" is not "being separated from the Lord". It is not possible to be separated from the Lord, since He is everywhere. If I die and go to hades, He is even there.

If you sow to the flesh by doing sin, you are now separated from the Lord having reaped corruption.

Galatians 6:7-8 - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.
Claiming we do not reap corruption when we sin is saying we do not reap what we sow and that's mocking God and being deceived.

No other thing can separate us from God's love

God loves all people but that does not stop people from reaping corruption when they walk after the flesh in sin.
Just because God loves all people does not mean all people will be accepted by Him in the end. Workers of iniquity are cast out of His Kingdom in the end as these people will not be allowed to stay in His Kingdom:

Matthew 13:41,42 - The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Your reasoning is making the case for being able to live in sin and still be saved, still be in right standing with the Lord which is the trick satan has used to turn the love of many cold.

1 John 5:3 - For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Some folk just don't want to walk in love.

 

[NightTwister]

What verse of scripture do you not understand?

Thks

None.

 

[NightTwister]

What verse 9

I have no idea what you're taking about.

 

[carbunculus]

Matthew 6:20
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Jn 15:1-11

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 if ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

Thks

What the point in replying to me without any explanation as to why your replying to me, and what's with randomly picking out loads of scriptures without any further explanation,

Are you ok ? Really

And What's with quoting so many people all at once to, with answers that suggest you know better than everyone your post to, it just makes you look like your the controling type trying to rule over everyone.

If your going to carry on being rude don't bother replying to me any more.


And for someone who believes on grace so much why are you promoting works so much ?? Are you ok ? Are you on meds or something

 

[Freed18]

That conclusion simply does not follow from Scripture.
If having the Holy Spirit made a believer infallible in interpretation, there would have been no need for most of the New Testament epistles.

If the true belivers hadn't clarified their teaching, the posers would be running the show now.
And the entire church would be full of false teachings.
As it is, though, only the false churches have the false teachings.

The Corinthians were called "sanctified in Christ Jesus" (1 Cor. 1:2), yet Paul corrected them repeatedly.

The true ones were sactified, but the posers weren't.

The Galatians had received the Spirit (Gal. 3:2-3), yet Paul asked, "Who hath bewitched you?"

Again, posers were trying to gain a foothold in the chiurch, but the true believers were resistant.

The seven churches in Revelation were addressed as churches of Christ, yet several were sharply rebuked.

You did notice the peril they faced, if they didn't oust the posers.

So Scripture itself shows Spirit-indwelt believers can be mistaken, immature, inconsistent, and in need of correction.

The mistaken, immature, inconsistent, and in need of correction, show they are posers by their disconnection from the mind of Christ.

You ask why I think the Galatians had the Spirit. Because Paul explicitly says they did (Gal. 3:2-5).

Great, ht not all of them were in Christ.

Likewise, possessing "the mind of Christ" (1 Cor. 2:16) does not mean possessing omniscience.

Of course not.
But the devilish cannot coexist with the sanctified.

It means the Spirit enables us to understand spiritual truth.
We still grow in knowledge, test doctrine, and correct errors.

The Spirit will not allow corrup teachings.

Your position creates a problem.
If everyone with the Holy Spirit interprets Scripture perfectly, why have sincere, godly believers disagreed on doctrine since the first century?

Disagreements occur so the posers can be weeded out.

The apostles did not say: "Whoever disagrees with me lacks the Spirit."
They reasoned from Scripture.

And the true believers kept out the posers.

The test is not, "Does this person agree with me?"
The test is, "What has God actually said?"

Amen.

That is why even believers must continually test their conclusions against the whole counsel of God rather than assuming that possessing the Spirit makes every interpretation automatically correct.

I trust the Spirit.

 

[Freed18]

This doesn't show the relationship to be simultaneously from your your idea here, your idea here point towards the father and son being one, and for many things this is Good, but however this still doesn't answer the question you where asked, and again I must stress that understanding a believer does have a relationship with the father first before being accepted by the son is very important to understand.

Your next answer of go ahead and educate me, doesn't seem like your interested, so I'm not sure how to reply to this remark, you don't seem to interested.

I just wonder why you seem to be trying to separate the Son from the Father.

Are you Catholic ?

Nope.

 

[Freed18]

No. Placing yourself between Jesus Christ and salvation clearly shows that you are relying on yourself as savior rather than recognizing Jesus Christ alone as the Savior.

Nobody but me will be judged for my actions, on the day of judgement.
My salvation is up to me.
God and His Son made salvatuon available to me/us, but He won't force it onto anyone.

 

[carbunculus]

I just wonder why you seem to be trying to separate the Son from the Father.

Nope.

You very much sound catholic and I wasn't,

But tell me how was i ? Or what made you think i was, ?

 

[Freed18]

You teach salvation by obedience/works.

No, I don't, and in fact have repeatedly said that the works of the Law can't save anyone.

I teach salvation by grace through faith, not works.

Unfortuneately, you have included every act of obedience in with the works of the Law that Paul wrote against.
Resisting temptation is ultimately anathema in your doctrine, because you call it a work.

(Ephesians 2:8,9) You teach that we are saved BY good works and I teach that we are saved FOR good works. (Ephesians 2:10) Big difference! In Romans 1:5, we read - Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith (obedience that comes from faith) among all nations for His name. The purpose of Paul’s apostleship was not merely to bring people to conversion but also to bring about transformed lives that were obedient to God after conversion. You have the cart before the horse.

I do not teach we must keep the law to be saved either. I do not teach salvation by works in general either. I'm not turning obedience to God into works of the law. I am simply pointing out to you that the law is not merely limited to circumcision, dietary rules, sabbath keeping, feast keeping, tithing etc.. but also includes the moral aspect of the law (Exodus 20:1-17; Leviticus 19:18; Deuteronomy 6:5) which does not exclude good works. (James 2:15-16) So, the saved by "these" works (good works) and just not "those" works (works of the law) argument which is often taught by those who teach salvation by works is bogus.

Those who say they have no sin (1 John 1:8) deceive themselves and the truth is not in them. For these folks who fail to confess their sins and instead, say they have no sin or have not sinned, their sins have not been forgiven, and they are walking in darkness. These remain in their sins and neither have fellowship with God and do not know God.

By your interpretation then, verse 7 and 9 make your point moot.
7 and 9 both say all our sin/unrighteousness can be washed away,..making us free of sin and able to day just that.
Verses 6 and 8 address thgose walking in darkness, and not those whgo walk in the light.
Those in God must be free of sin, because there is no sin in God !

1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, which is descriptive of genuine believers.

Agreed
Sinners don't know Him.

Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard (biblehub.com)

Verse 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not "keep" (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. That is 'descriptive' of unbelievers/make believers. John is not talking about sinless, perfect obedience to the 10 commandments under the law of Moses. In God there is no sin and in Christ the blood of Christ has washed away our sins.

So why can't we say that ?
Fact is, the non-sinners can say they have no sin.

Again, you cannot dissect the 10 commandments from the moral aspect of the law. (Exodus 20:1-17; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37-40) So, you are seeking justification by obeying the 10 commandments instead of by faith? Where did Paul say we are saved by obeying 10 commands written on our hearts instead by faith in Christ in the NT?

The ten commandments are the moral aspect of the Law.
No other part of the Mosaic Law is carried forward into the NT.

This is descriptive of those who have not been saved by grace through faith and have not had their sins washed away by the blood of Christ. Hence, their sins remains: adulterer, murderer, coveter, liar, idolater etc.. For those who have been converted: 1 Corinthians 6:11 - And such were (past tense) some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. In the eyes of God, no longer sinners, but saints, thanks to Jesus Christ.

I agree.
Sinners have not been converted, and until they are converted, have no hope of salvation

Don't leave out the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) which is also included in the law of Moses. (Matthew 22:37-40)

I don't, as they are written on my new heart !

 

[carbunculus]

That which God has given to Jesus for our salvation is adeqate for our salvation.
To study One is to study both the Father and the Son.

The commands we have from Jesus and His apostles on how to be saved, are sufficient for salvation on the day of judgement.
Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, amd strength, and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

This is all nice but once again I will ask do you understand that having a relationship with the father before being accepted by the son is biblical ?

 

[Freed18]

What happened to baptism in (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 26:18)?

I'm not sure what you are asking.

Enduring faithfully until the end is a conditional confirmation that one is a child of God. Those who fail to endure demonstrate otherwise.

Agreed.

Of course, you will stick with your biased interpretation of Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16 which negates salvation through faith and culminates in salvation by works because you teach salvation by works.

Hardly, as it is faith in the gifts of God that facilitate both the obdience and the effect of the gifts.

In Acts 2:38, for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

I don't agree, as the Spirtit will not abide in a polluted temple, so continuing sinners/unwashed have no hope of receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost/Spirit baptism.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47) In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit -Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18. *Hermeneutics.

Yes, Cornelius/Gentiles were a special case, meant to show the Jews with Peter that God had accepted even Gentiles into the family of God.
No other scrip' shows ayone receiving the Spirit before baptism in the name of Jesu Christ for the remisison of past sins.

In Acts 22:16, the cleansing happens as Paul called on the name of the Lord and not literally by water baptism. The water is symbolic; the appeal to the name of the Lord is the saving act. Romans 10:13 - For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The name of the Lord is used at the water baptism ''in the name of Jesus Christ'' for the remisison of past sins.

The remission of sins has three applications:

1. Literally, by the blood of Christ - Matthew 26:28
2. Experientially, by faith in Christ - Acts 26:18
3. Figuratively, by water baptism - Acts 22:16.

It is written..."And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." (1 John 5:8)
What you divide three ways, are one event.https://ref.ly/Acts 22.16;esv?t=biblia

Acts 22:16 - WHAT IS TRUTH: Acts 22:16--Baptism Essential for Salvation?

The only logical and Biblical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

I will agree with Peter, instead of what you havebeen taught.
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)

Repentance is unto/for the remission of sins, just as we see in (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31). So, what do you do with those verses? Simply disregard them because they don't mention baptism? Was John's baptism in (Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3) for "in order to obtain" the remission of sins or was it for "in regard to/on the basis of the remission of sins" received upon repentance? Also, in Matthew 3:11, we read - I baptize you with water for repentance.. Now was this baptism for "in order to obtain" repentance? OR for "in regards to/on the basis of" repentance? Obviously, the latter. Repentance "precedes" baptism, so baptism is in regard to/on the basis of the remission of sins received upon repentance. (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31)

Obey Peter after carefully considering the totality of scripture on the subject and ignore the skeptics who promote works salvation.

So, why was the laying on of hands done in a few examples of conversion but not in all examples of conversion in the NT?

Of course, you disagree because you teach salvation by works.

I, like Paul, don't believe that the works of the Law can save anyone, so I wish you would quit saying that.

Without faith (repentance implied or assumed/two sides to the same coin (Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43; 11:17,18; 20:21 etc..) there is no remission of sins. Water baptism follows repentance/faith/remission of sins. (Acts 10:43-47)

Faith fosters repentance from sin, and faith fosters baptims in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.

Spirit baptism is the reality, and water baptism is the picture of the reality. Being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life/our old man is destroyed with Christ into Christ's death is signified but not procured in water baptism. False religion turns signs and symbols of salvation into the substance and the source.

Both are a reality.