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Christian Zionism fueled by Dispensational heresy is what led to the camps, not antisemitism.
The plan to establish a Jewish homeland (base of operations for the Rothschilds globalist banking empire)
in the ME is the single largest reason for the camps, not antisemitism.
Not that Hitler didn't see the Jews as a problem. But it wasn't their religion, rather their antisocial behavior and predatory economic practices that fueled his hatred. A hatred which I do not share.
,Religious and cultural Jews in Europe were sacrificed for this purpose by the Zionists to bring about the manufactured end times scenarios promoted by the rise of heretical Dispensationalism.
Or in other words, great deception.
I'm not here to hurt your feelings.
I once believed most of the same things you do. But the truth won out in the end.
No, that's just being obtuse. You're not doubting eye witnesses, you're claiming they're liars. That's ridiculous.
I also think the question is "what do we accept as evidence."
As well, people can be convinced with very little evidence and the use of propaganda.
See you have to understand this through the lens of gullible you are looking at it as a rational person, most people do not operate that way.
You should watch that first video.
I do not claim to believe in the Bible.
I trust the scriptures completely.
Those scriptures say nothing about the Holocaust.
There is definitely a continuity of events which are connected, going back to before WW 1
Satan being bound a thousand years, he had quite some time to formulate a plan, but that's another topic.
Once you see it, you cannot unsee it.
I find it interesting how God opens some people's eyes to the full picture, but one has to definitely be open to God to receive it, many are not.
You might want to research that again. Just like you should do your research on the Holocaust again.
Adolf Hitler’s hatred of Jews was not invented by him but rather radicalized from centuries-old European antisemitism, which he fused with racial ideology and social Darwinism. He viewed history as a biological struggle between races, falsely claiming that Jews were an inferior, subhuman race plotting world domination and threatening the purity of the Aryan master race.
Hitler exploited Jews as a convenient scapegoat for Germany’s defeat in World War I and its subsequent economic crises. He promoted the false "stab-in-the-back" myth, blaming Jews for undermining the war effort, and falsely linked them to both capitalism and communism, claiming they controlled international finance and revolutionary movements to destroy Germany from within.
This hatred was further fueled by propaganda and political opportunism. By blaming a small minority for complex national problems, Hitler rallied German nationalists and justified the marginalization and eventual genocide of Jewish people as a necessary act of racial self-defense.
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Satan hasn't been bound for 1,000 years yet, which is why we continue to see all of the corruption on the current earth today. Oh that's right, you're blind to all of it.
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Lol that's some bassackward reasoning you have there.
The Jews were living in peace for years in Germany they were no threat to anyone. Racism is what caused the Holocaust. I'm at least glad you don't share that hatred. But you do believe they're liars for the most part, correct?
You've read Martin Luthers and early church fathers writings on the Jews I assume. You don't think that had anything to do with it?
I don't take it personally. I've done my research, for a long time. No one will change my mind. I know the truth.
Your argument repeats several claims that are historically and evidentially unsupported.
The Holocaust was driven by racial antisemitism that portrayed Jews as an inherently inferior and dangerous people, not by Christian Zionism or Dispensationalism.
Whatever criticisms one may have of Dispensational theology, it did not create Nazi racial ideology, nor is there evidence that millions of European Jews were deliberately sacrificed by Zionists to establish a homeland.
The difficulty is that the argument shifts from discussing theological systems to attributing vast historical events to secret motives and coordinated conspiracies without demonstrating the evidence.
Claims about a "Rothschild globalist banking empire," manufactured end-times scenarios, or Zionists orchestrating the destruction of European Jewry require extraordinary proof, not suspicion or inference.
I would also caution against repeating Hitler's own justifications for his hatred.
The claim that Jews were targeted because of "antisocial behavior and predatory economic practices" was itself a central component of Nazi propaganda.
The fact that Hitler believed something does not make it true.
History is full of examples where entire groups were blamed for society's problems through stereotypes rather than facts.
Most importantly, as Christians, our standard must be truth, not whether a narrative is provocative or seems to explain complex events.
Claims should be tested by evidence, just as doctrines are tested by Scripture.
If a position requires dismissing the consensus of historical documentation while relying on broad conspiratorial explanations, the burden of proof rests heavily on the person making the claim.
The question is not whether Dispensationalism is correct.
The question is whether the historical claims being made can actually be demonstrated.
Those are two separate issues.
Yes, Hitler was a nut. But I disagree that the Jews were scapegoated.
And thanks but no, I've done enough research. It's not a topic I even care to discuss, but it's hard to ignore when there are so many widely healed beliefs about that entire period of human history that just don't stand up to scrutiny.
One of the things I’ve always liked and admired about CC is the fairly large latitude given various subjects, doctrines and people.
This creates a good atmosphere for discussions. Even passionate and angry ones.
I find OnceFallen to have a great amount of wisdom in this area. Knowing just when lines are crossed or heresies become overwhelming.
There are large contingent members of Amillennialists, and Dispensationalists, and a wide spectrum in between.
I personally find the Amillennial view wrong on just about every count.
I fully admit that I’m probably wrong on certain issues that I see through the Dispensational lens, as everyone sees through a glass darkly.
But what invariably ALWAYS happens when discussing the current and future role of Israel, is that when you get to the murky bottom of Amillennial thought, almost BY NECESSITY, you arrive at what can only be described as satanic antisemitism.
And right at the VERY bottom, although admittedly not all Amills dwell at the very bottom, is your Holocaust denier, and or minimizer, that feels emboldened by others with the same twisted view crawl out from their rocks.
It is at this point, and with these awful people, I wish CC would ban them, and make clear that Holocaust denial and minimization, are strictly forbidden, like serpent seed heresy, and other heresies deemed too damaging to the brethren, that warrant fairly quick banning.
This creates a good atmosphere for discussions. Even passionate and angry ones.
I find OnceFallen to have a great amount of wisdom in this area. Knowing just when lines are crossed or heresies become overwhelming.
There are large contingent members of Amillennialists, and Dispensationalists, and a wide spectrum in between.
I personally find the Amillennial view wrong on just about every count.
I fully admit that I’m probably wrong on certain issues that I see through the Dispensational lens, as everyone sees through a glass darkly.
But what invariably ALWAYS happens when discussing the current and future role of Israel, is that when you get to the murky bottom of Amillennial thought, almost BY NECESSITY, you arrive at what can only be described as satanic antisemitism.
And right at the VERY bottom, although admittedly not all Amills dwell at the very bottom, is your Holocaust denier, and or minimizer, that feels emboldened by others with the same twisted view crawl out from their rocks.
It is at this point, and with these awful people, I wish CC would ban them, and make clear that Holocaust denial and minimization, are strictly forbidden, like serpent seed heresy, and other heresies deemed too damaging to the brethren, that warrant fairly quick banning.
You're claiming thousands of people lied, without ever hearing their story. That's not searching for truth.
Wow, cc to ban people to have different views?
What's next, ban people rejecting vaccine?
Ban people rejecting isreal state policy?
Ban people rejecting trump policy?
Ban people rejecting LGBT?
Ban people in most denominations?
Ban, ban, ban.....
Ban people from American, talking too freely...
I always find the double standard interesting, Covid was a fabrication, people were not dying, there was no pandemic and everyone suddenly became a doctor or virologist.
Always like the appeal to "consensus" which has become quite meaningless over time because of the very things Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote about.