Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[cv5]

Yes well said. the promises of Jesus and the gospel, the promises of the new covenant ect were all too isreal to restore them, but they didn’t recognize it when thier messiah came .

There’s a parable that really speaks to what you said and what happened but it’s supported throughout the ot prophets and nt epistles . It sums up gods relationship with Israel in the ot

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, ( early prophets sent to Israel to call for repentance ) that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.



Again, he sent other servants more than the first: ( latter messianic prophets sent to isreal call for repentance and announce the messiah ms salvation to come ) and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, ( the messiah sent to save them ) saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-39, 41-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Really the ot prophets told this story before it happened


There’s a nation of faithful believers belonging to god too many to number throughout the ages …… but it has nothing to do with thoer flesh and blood heritage ….. it has to do with Jesus flesh and blood , and his spirit .

To be clear no israelite is rejected because they are isralite they aren’t excluded but called and welcomed into Christ it’s just that like many gentiles they reject Jesus Christ and the supremacy of the gospel anyone who repents and turns to him belongs to him

Another RT Church supremacy hoax easily debunked.
Nobody has dared to try and exposit this RESORATION so prolifically noted, as their bogus doctrine will immediately self-destruct.

The Church age is about to end. Fortunately for me I actually understand the dynamics and inevitability of the pre-trib harpazo.
As for those who choose to deny it, enjoy the tribulation!

Act 1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Act 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Mat 17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Act 1:3
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Act 1:6
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the ***kingdom to Israel***?

Mat 17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Act 15:16
After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luk 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luk 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Rom 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

 

[ewq1938]

Well, that's why we have Zechariah 13:8-9.

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And this:

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

[Revelation1v8]

And this:

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

And this:

Romans 11

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

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[JemimaJade]

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-39, 41-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Really the ot prophets told this story before it happened

Could God’s word be any clearer? The Kingdom of God was theirs but they rejected their appointed High Priest and had him put to death as an imposter….a blasphemer! Why would God bless a nation who did not ever obey him for longer than five minutes? And who disrespected him and murdered his appointed Savior! Read the whole of Matt ch 23 and see what Jesus said about the leaders of his own people.

The “nation bringing forth its fruits” were founded on the Jewish followers of Christ Jesus…..the entirety of the NT was written by them and yet, they were all natural Jews…a “remnant” of that nation, that would be saved, as it was foretold. (Rom 9:27)
What did God change in these natural Jews that joined them to the gentiles that were invited to replace a disobedient nation? (Acts 15:14) “A people for his name”.

Gal 6:15-16 NASB…
“For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.”

Christ’s anointed disciples were to be a “new creation”….no longer bound by Israel’s laws, (such as circumcision) these would operate under a “new covenant” and they would be a peaceful people and from among them “the Israel of God” were chosen….as “ a royal priesthood and a holy nation”…..so all saved ones would include both Jewish and Gentile Christians.

Jesus himself said to the Jewish leaders….and by extension, those who adhered to their teachings and condoned their conduct….
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord” (Matt 23:37-39 NASB)

A sad lament…
He was quoting Psalm 118: 26 and in the Jewish Tanakh, God’s name, “Yahweh” is there in the text, twice..

26Blessed be he who has come in the name of the Lord; we have blessed you from the house of the Lord.

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כובָּר֣וּךְ הַ֖בָּא בְּשֵׁ֣ם יְהֹוָ֑ה בֵּֽ֜רַכְנוּכֶ֗ם מִבֵּ֥ית יְהֹוָֽה:​

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So they needed to bless the one who came “in Yahweh’s name” back then, as well as today…..something the natural Jews have refused to do for thousands of years. Stubborn and unmovable as they have always been, counting on their lineage to Abraham as if their disobedience means nothing. (Matt 3:7-10; Matt 21:43)

There is not going to be any last minute miracle as the people of that nation have had as much, if not more notice of God’s intentions….and to identify their Messiah from their own Scripture.
They have unsanctioned blood on their hands. (Isa 1:15)
Their failure will cost them dearly.

The leopard has not changed its spots. Yet anyone from any nation is acceptable to God if they follow the teachings of God’s Son. No nationality is excluded….we are to preach the gospel (good news) to “people of all nations” …”and then the end will come.” (Matt 24:14)

 

[cv5]

Could God’s word be any clearer? The Kingdom of God was theirs but they rejected their appointed High Priest and had him put to death as an imposter….a blasphemer! Why would God bless a nation who did not ever obey him for longer than five minutes? And who disrespected him and murdered his appointed Savior! Read the whole of Matt ch 23 and see what Jesus said about the leaders of his own people.

The “nation bringing forth its fruits” were founded on the Jewish followers of Christ Jesus…..the entirety of the NT was written by them and yet, they were all natural Jews…a “remnant” of that nation, that would be saved, as it was foretold. (Rom 9:27)
What did God change in these natural Jews that joined them to the gentiles that were invited to replace a disobedient nation? (Acts 15:14) “A people for his name”.

Gal 6:15-16 NASB…
“For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.”

Christ’s anointed disciples were to be a “new creation”….no longer bound by Israel’s laws, (such as circumcision) these would operate under a “new covenant” and they would be a peaceful people and from among them “the Israel of God” were chosen….as “ a royal priesthood and a holy nation”…..so all saved ones would include both Jewish and Gentile Christians.

Jesus himself said to the Jewish leaders….and by extension, those who adhered to their teachings and condoned their conduct….
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord” (Matt 23:37-39 NASB)

A sad lament…
He was quoting Psalm 118: 26 and in the Jewish Tanakh, God’s name, “Yahweh” is there in the text, twice..

26Blessed be he who has come in the name of the Lord; we have blessed you from the house of the Lord.

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כובָּר֣וּךְ הַ֖בָּא בְּשֵׁ֣ם יְהֹוָ֑ה בֵּֽ֜רַכְנוּכֶ֗ם מִבֵּ֥ית יְהֹוָֽה:

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So they needed to bless the one who came “in Yahweh’s name” back then, as well as today…..something the natural Jews have refused to do for thousands of years. Stubborn and unmovable as they have always been, counting on their lineage to Abraham as if their disobedience means nothing. (Matt 3:7-10; Matt 21:43)

There is not going to be any last minute miracle as the people of that nation have had as much, if not more notice of God’s intentions….and to identify their Messiah from their own Scripture.
They have unsanctioned blood on their hands. (Isa 1:15)
Their failure will cost them dearly.

The leopard has not changed its spots. Yet anyone from any nation is acceptable to God if they follow the teachings of God’s Son. No nationality is excluded….we are to preach the gospel (good news) to “people of all nations” …”and then the end will come.” (Matt 24:14)

Well, the unequivocal Biblically confirmed truth is that YHVH the King of the JEWS the Goel Christ Jesus will certainly redeem as wife Gomer and Naomi to her land inheritance.

His reputation is at stake after all. Did you actually think that Christ Jesus would actually kick Israel to the curb permanently after all of those promises and prophecy to the contrary?

Did I mention that the Kingdom will be restored to Israel as well their inheritance to the LAND granted to Abrahams seed and confirmed multiple times? This after they corporately enter into the New Covenant (similarly to Sinai) never to be removed again.

Are you distressed at this wonderful act of grace and forgiveness? Please explain the reasons for your feelings of bitterness and disappointment.

 

[Revelation1v8]

There is not going to be any last minute miracle as the people of that nation have had as much, if not more notice of God’s intentions….and to identify their Messiah from their own Scripture.

Why do you think that is? You need to read all of Romans, chapter 11 again and pay attention to verse 25.

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[Beekeeper]

As we all know again i say there is bad people everywhere. God will deal with them. But for the sake of conversation are we to label the many because of the few? Seriously, not saying that we are to accept any wrong doing by anybody but to blame the whole for the
Few is the devil's work. Even God has a sorting out to do.

In some situations that is fair, but when the few that do evil exercise authority over many causing them also to do evil, we have to recognize that the authority is not from God.

 

[JemimaJade]

Why do you think that is? You need to read all of Romans, chapter 11 again and pay attention to verse 25.

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I like to take all verses in their context…so what do the preceding verses say?

Speaking of the grafting in of Gentiles, that Paul said was taking place, what does he say about both?

“But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.” (Rom 11:17-23 ESV)

This I believe leaves it open to all who put their faith in Jesus Christ….Jew or Gentile….all have the same opportunity individually to become acceptable to God through his Christ. No one should therefore boast that they are in when they could easily end up like Israel….”if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.”
In noting the “kindness and severity of God”, to whom were each directed?
“severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again”
What was the warning? Don’t think too much of yourselves as all who serve Christ’s interests on earth are under the same obligation…to act the way Jesus did….to give individuals a chance to attain everlasting life, no matter what nationality they were. Paul was “an apostle to the Gentiles”, specifically chosen for that assignment. (Acts 15:14)

Jesus said that Israel would not see him again until they ‘blessed the one who comes in the name of the Lord’ (Matt 23:39) ….what “Lord” is that ? Since he was quoting Psalm 118:26 the name he was referring to, was Yahweh……Jesus came in the name of his Father….and made it known to his Jewish apostles. (John 17:6; 26)
As a nation the Jews failed, but as individuals they are not lost.

The Holy Land is no longer holy to God as it is saturated in religious hatred and bloodshed. (Isa 1:15)
The land that God will gift to his faithful earthly servants, is the whole earth as he first purposed…..returned to the paradise conditions that were modeled in the garden of Eden.

Anyone looking to land in the Middle East as sacred to Yahweh today, have missed the whole point of the bigger picture…. it is nothing but a red herring….involving the wrong place and the wrong people….and a lot of innocent blood shed….unsanctioned.

The fruit of God’s spirit is peace…not war. (2 Peter 3:11-14)

 

[Beekeeper]

Well, at least you're getting closer!

Still, the purpose of God/Jesus for raising the nation of Israel and setting them in the promised land is for the purpose of proving that He is God, proving that He keeps His promises, and proving that everything written was true to the entire world.

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If the everlasting inheritance of Abraham is the whole world (Romans 4:13- "world" is translated from "kosmos"), and that inheritance is not obtained through the flesh or the law (Galatians 3:29), the implication is that you are barking up entirely the wrong tree with modern Israel.
Under this promise the land of Canaan has no more value than any other land, and the inheritors are not the Israelis.
If any of the Israelis obtain it through the righteousness of faith, they will do so individually, just as it is given to others.

 

[God-fearing]

I like to take all verses in their context…so what do the preceding verses say?

Speaking of the grafting in of Gentiles, that Paul said was taking place, what does he say about both?

“But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.” (Rom 11:17-23 ESV)

This I believe leaves it open to all who put their faith in Jesus Christ….Jew or Gentile….all have the same opportunity individually to become acceptable to God through his Christ. No one should therefore boast that they are in when they could easily end up like Israel….”if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.”
In noting the “kindness and severity of God”, to whom were each directed?
“severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again”
What was the warning? Don’t think too much of yourselves as all who serve Christ’s interests on earth are under the same obligation…to act the way Jesus did….to give individuals a chance to attain everlasting life, no matter what nationality they were. Paul was “an apostle to the Gentiles”, specifically chosen for that assignment. (Acts 15:14)

Jesus said that Israel would not see him again until they ‘blessed the one who comes in the name of the Lord’ (Matt 23:39) ….what “Lord” is that ? Since he was quoting Psalm 118:26 the name he was referring to, was Yahweh……Jesus came in the name of his Father….and made it known to his Jewish apostles. (John 17:6; 26)
As a nation the Jews failed, but as individuals they are not lost.

The Holy Land is no longer holy to God as it is saturated in religious hatred and bloodshed. (Isa 1:15)
The land that God will gift to his faithful earthly servants, is the whole earth as he first purposed…..returned to the paradise conditions that were modeled in the garden of Eden.

Anyone looking to land in the Middle East as sacred to Yahweh today, have missed the whole point of the bigger picture…. it is nothing but a red herring….involving the wrong place and the wrong people….and a lot of innocent blood shed….unsanctioned.

The fruit of God’s spirit is peace…not war. (2 Peter 3:11-14)

No I think you got it wrong.

The New Heaven and the New Earth
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[God-fearing]

In some situations that is fair, but when the few that do evil exercise authority over many causing them also to do evil, we have to recognize that the authority is not from God.

Yeah especially when it involves the jews...I get that. They all should know better.

 

[JemimaJade]

His reputation is at stake after all. Did you actually think that Christ Jesus would actually kick Israel to the curb permanently after all of those promises and prophecy to the contrary?

That depends on which “Israel” you are referring to….if you have been following the thread, it becomes very apparent that fleshly Israel have never lived up to God’s purpose for them and they therefore, by their own disobedience, lost their place in his Kingdom arrangement.

After Israel’s abject failure to accept their Messiah, and ridding themselves of that thorn in their side, God then “turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name” (Acts 15:14)
Spiritual Israel became the nation that God chose to replace the ones who failed him throughout their entire history. He fulfilled all those prophesies by replacing an unfaithful “Israel” with a faithful one.. (Matt 21:33-29; 41-43)

Did I mention that the Kingdom will be restored to Israel as well their inheritance to the LAND granted to Abrahams seed and confirmed multiple times? This after they corporately enter into the New Covenant (similarly to Sinai) never to be removed again.

If you are looking to the literal land which Israel was once gifted, but abandoned, then you are looking at the wrong place and the wrong people. What status did Israel occupy when they failed to obey their God?
How harshly punished were they at those times? Is Israel in God’s good books today? Do those who occupy that land as Israelis, claim to be Jewish by religion? Is God fighting for them?

In times past when Israel was defending her territory, did they need the assistance from worldly nations to come to their aid, even when they were greatly outnumbered?
The biblical answer is NO! If God fought for Israel, no nation, no matter how powerful, could defeat them.

That land today is saturated with innocent blood…unholy to God.

No I think you got it wrong.

The New Heaven and the New Earth
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Can you show me how this response answers anything in my post?
What does this passage mean to you?

 

[Beekeeper]

Yeah especially when it involves the jews...I get that. They all should know better.

We should know the difference between Godly and UN-Godly authority when it involves anyone.
If the faithful Hebrews did not have that understanding we would not have the Gospel.
They would all have believed that the Pharisees were God's authority and refused to follow Jesus, or destroyed their faith by trying to follow both.

 

[ewq1938]

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

And all branches that were in unbelief would be broken off. What would happen to them if they remained in unbelief?

 

[Revelation1v8]

And all branches that were in unbelief would be broken off. What would happen to them if they remained in unbelief?

I already answered that question the first time you asked it.

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[Revelation1v8]

I like to take all verses in their context…so what do the preceding verses say?

Speaking of the grafting in of Gentiles, that Paul said was taking place, what does he say about both?

“But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.” (Rom 11:17-23 ESV)

This I believe leaves it open to all who put their faith in Jesus Christ….Jew or Gentile….all have the same opportunity individually to become acceptable to God through his Christ. No one should therefore boast that they are in when they could easily end up like Israel….”if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.”
In noting the “kindness and severity of God”, to whom were each directed?
“severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again”
What was the warning? Don’t think too much of yourselves as all who serve Christ’s interests on earth are under the same obligation…to act the way Jesus did….to give individuals a chance to attain everlasting life, no matter what nationality they were. Paul was “an apostle to the Gentiles”, specifically chosen for that assignment. (Acts 15:14)

Jesus said that Israel would not see him again until they ‘blessed the one who comes in the name of the Lord’ (Matt 23:39) ….what “Lord” is that ? Since he was quoting Psalm 118:26 the name he was referring to, was Yahweh……Jesus came in the name of his Father….and made it known to his Jewish apostles. (John 17:6; 26)
As a nation the Jews failed, but as individuals they are not lost.

The Holy Land is no longer holy to God as it is saturated in religious hatred and bloodshed. (Isa 1:15)
The land that God will gift to his faithful earthly servants, is the whole earth as he first purposed…..returned to the paradise conditions that were modeled in the garden of Eden.

Anyone looking to land in the Middle East as sacred to Yahweh today, have missed the whole point of the bigger picture…. it is nothing but a red herring….involving the wrong place and the wrong people….and a lot of innocent blood shed….unsanctioned.

The fruit of God’s spirit is peace…not war. (2 Peter 3:11-14)

God/Jesus pours out His Spirit on them in Zechariah 13:1. Personally, I suggest you read all of Zechariah, chapters 12 through 14 to understand WHAT will happen and WHY it will happen after Jesus returns.

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[Revelation1v8]

If the everlasting inheritance of Abraham is the whole world (Romans 4:13- "world" is translated from "kosmos"), and that inheritance is not obtained through the flesh or the law (Galatians 3:29), the implication is that you are barking up entirely the wrong tree with modern Israel.
Under this promise the land of Canaan has no more value than any other land, and the inheritors are not the Israelis.
If any of the Israelis obtain it through the righteousness of faith, they will do so individually, just as it is given to others.

Here, let me repeat myself AGAIN!!!

God told Abraham that he would be the father of MANY nations on earth (making Abraham heir of the promised land), but it was the remnant seed of Isaac and Jacob that would inherit the promised land, not Ishmael. The Disciples will be working as Judges over the 12 tribes of Israel, like Jesus told them they would be.

Jesus became a seed after Jacob to bring inheritance to the rest of the world through the faithful (making Abraham heir of the world). Revelation 5 tells us that the rest of us will also be reigning with Christ on the earth, but that doesn't mean we will be doing it from Jerusalem.

Do you understand that now?

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[Beekeeper]

Here, let me repeat myself AGAIN!!!

God told Abraham that he would be the father of MANY nations on earth (making Abraham heir of the promised land), but it was the remnant seed of Isaac and Jacob that would inherit the promised land, not Ishmael. The Disciples will be working as Judges over the 12 tribes of Israel, like Jesus told them they would be.

Jesus became a seed after Jacob to bring inheritance to the rest of the world through the faithful (making Abraham heir of the world). Revelation 5 tells us that the rest of us will also be reigning with Christ on the earth, but that doesn't mean we will be doing it from Jerusalem.

Do you understand that now?

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I understood you the first time you said it, but it does not work like that.
The Genesis 15:18-21 promise was made to Abraham, not the children of Israel.
God said that Abraham's seed would possess the land of Canaan, and they did.
Done deal.

The everlasting promise of Genesis 17:8 is not just a repeat of what God has already said, because it incorporates far more.
It assumes that Jesus will inherit it and there will be a new heaven and earth, but simply mentions the land of Canaan again.
One of those classic understatements of the Bible, as that land has stopped being the central focus long ago.

Nobody inherits this everlasting promise from Abraham unless they also inherit his faith.
It so happens that Isaac and Jacob did have his faith, but not all of the children of Israel had it.
Abraham is also the father of many nations, not only through Ishmael and the children of Keturah, but spiritually through the gospel of Christ.
These all inherit the new heavens and new earth together with Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
It is the same inheritance.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I understood you the first time you said it, but it does not work like that.
The Genesis 15:18-21 promise was made to Abraham, not the children of Israel.

Seriously? What part did you miss throughout this entire conversation that God/Jesus passed down that promise also through the seed of Isaac and Jacob/Israel? It's the remnant of Jacob/Israel that the promises are kept for, which is why Revelation 7 shows you that people representing 12,000 each from the 12 tribes of Israel are sealed and saved.

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[Revelation1v8]

Nobody inherits this everlasting promise from Abraham unless they also inherit his faith.
It so happens that Isaac and Jacob did have his faith, but not all of the children of Israel had it.

Learn to read my posts when I say and BOLD the word "REMNANT" being used throughout this conversation. The Bible tells us that a remnant from the seed of Jacob have been called, again, which is why we see the 144,000 from each tribe of Israel being sealed and saved in Revelation 7.

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