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well as far as from what I've always heard or studied - The three part being exists - the Trinity - but they work as one.
1) God is in Heaven (he never left Heaven) he remains in Heaven perfect in judgement and untainted with pure love and pure light,
He's so perfect in his power that if people seen his face they would die or probably be destroyed, (not because he wanted that to happen
he's just that powerful) because of their sin that separates them from God.
2) he created a plan in the beginning revealing them through prophecies since Genesis that is - Jesus (Ultimate Sacrifice) - his obedient son was sent as the human sacrifice untainted by the world, for the tainted human inorder to return man to God once again. The requirement is to believe in, repent and to follow Jesus Christ that he is the messiah.
Jesus is still Gods son and he still has to be obedient even to God. Otherwise if he were his father he could have saved himself from the cross...that means Jesus has a seperate personality from God, he chose to obey, but he did have the help of the Holy Spirit (who guided him) which definitely helped.
While Jesus was on Earth he had spoken of a 'helper' that would come, Jesus never said he was coming to stay on the Earth with the disciples, the entire time, after he died and rose again he returned to Heaven, he is still there, until he returns again for his 'bride' the church.
3) The Holy Spirit came later on in the upper room and the Christian church began. The Holy Spirit is the helper, the counselor, the convictor
of our hearts to show us we are doing wrong, and to guide us toward doing right to follow the commandments, to turn from our wicked ways
and repent and recieve Gods grace. The Holy Spirit has feelings (he also has his own personality), he gets hurt, he gets offended, he can be grieved, he weeps, but he also gives joy and peace and wisdom, you know its the Holy Spirit by his fruits. Which come from the word, he will never steer from the word. He guides you into all truth and reveals the word to us.
The Trinity is a three part being - they work as one
but as this is as far as I know to be honest
when we pray we cannot go to the throne room of grace to God, without first going through Jesus, our mediator and advocate (he defends us
against our prosecuter Satan who constantly reminds God our sins, while Jesus shows his blood that covers our sins and defends us)
and we also need the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truths even to draw us to Jesus so that we might recieve him.
After we die and go to Heaven we will then be reunited with God forever.
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hope that made some sense...
1) God is in Heaven (he never left Heaven) he remains in Heaven perfect in judgement and untainted with pure love and pure light,
He's so perfect in his power that if people seen his face they would die or probably be destroyed, (not because he wanted that to happen
he's just that powerful) because of their sin that separates them from God.
2) he created a plan in the beginning revealing them through prophecies since Genesis that is - Jesus (Ultimate Sacrifice) - his obedient son was sent as the human sacrifice untainted by the world, for the tainted human inorder to return man to God once again. The requirement is to believe in, repent and to follow Jesus Christ that he is the messiah.
Jesus is still Gods son and he still has to be obedient even to God. Otherwise if he were his father he could have saved himself from the cross...that means Jesus has a seperate personality from God, he chose to obey, but he did have the help of the Holy Spirit (who guided him) which definitely helped.
While Jesus was on Earth he had spoken of a 'helper' that would come, Jesus never said he was coming to stay on the Earth with the disciples, the entire time, after he died and rose again he returned to Heaven, he is still there, until he returns again for his 'bride' the church.
3) The Holy Spirit came later on in the upper room and the Christian church began. The Holy Spirit is the helper, the counselor, the convictor
of our hearts to show us we are doing wrong, and to guide us toward doing right to follow the commandments, to turn from our wicked ways
and repent and recieve Gods grace. The Holy Spirit has feelings (he also has his own personality), he gets hurt, he gets offended, he can be grieved, he weeps, but he also gives joy and peace and wisdom, you know its the Holy Spirit by his fruits. Which come from the word, he will never steer from the word. He guides you into all truth and reveals the word to us.
The Trinity is a three part being - they work as one
but as this is as far as I know to be honest
when we pray we cannot go to the throne room of grace to God, without first going through Jesus, our mediator and advocate (he defends us
against our prosecuter Satan who constantly reminds God our sins, while Jesus shows his blood that covers our sins and defends us)
and we also need the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truths even to draw us to Jesus so that we might recieve him.
After we die and go to Heaven we will then be reunited with God forever.
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hope that made some sense...
The Father is greater than the Son, but the Son's spirit is God. We have spirits, too, but I don't believe our spirits are the same as God's spirit. Jesus also had a spirit and that spirit was God. But his flesh wasn't necessarily God. His flesh could very well have just been flesh like ours. For instance in the Bible it talks about Jesus growing in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52). The word is sophia which could mean wisdom or knowledge or just general know-how. How could God get any wiser or more intelligent? But this was Jesus. In the flesh I believe his capacity for knowledge was limited. Also see that only God knows the day and hour of the end of this universe but the Son does not (Matthew 24:36). So even though Jesus is God the Father, his body probably isn't and so the Father is greater than the flesh.
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
John 1:14 And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, ( and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God could have scrap the whole creation after Adam sin but he didn't. He left Heaven and all its Glory to become flesh and die on the cross for you and me. What a mighty God we serve
John 1:14 And the word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, ( and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
God could have scrap the whole creation after Adam sin but he didn't. He left Heaven and all its Glory to become flesh and die on the cross for you and me. What a mighty God we serve
They are one being.( father, son and holy spirit) God spoke Aramaic while he was here. The word in Aramaic that they got holy spirit from also means breath, life and spirit--when they wrote the Bible they agreed to use the term Holy (for God is Holy) and spirit (for God is spirit).There is only ONE God.This is the clearest to SEE that the father is Jesus
Colossians 1:15-18---Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16-- For by Him were all things CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in the earth, visible, and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him, and for Him: 17--And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. 18--And He is the head (Jesus) of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead (Jesus) that in all things he might have preeminence.
There is no Trinity---There is a Unity---One God--His brain is his--we are merely cells of him
Jesus Bless You
Huldah
Colossians 1:15-18---Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16-- For by Him were all things CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in the earth, visible, and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him, and for Him: 17--And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. 18--And He is the head (Jesus) of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead (Jesus) that in all things he might have preeminence.
There is no Trinity---There is a Unity---One God--His brain is his--we are merely cells of him
Jesus Bless You
Huldah
J
I think you should stop reading the Vedas, and go back the the Bible, Huldah. Unless I've completely misunderstood your statement here, you are not a theist (christianity is theistic), but rather a pantheist (e.g. hinduism).
Don't let yourself be fooled by false religions, you're much smarter than that.
Don't let yourself be fooled by false religions, you're much smarter than that.
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I belong to a Christian church. Sort of a cross between Baptist and Church of Christ. I read King James only--nothing else. I was never raised in church and until three years ago I had been a backslider for almost 20 years. I'm pretty ignorant of The Old Testament but getting pretty right with The New Testament. Jesus Bless ya'll
Huldah
Huldah
Hi Huldah! I'm glad that you've come back to Christianity, and I'm glad that you trust in Jesus.
However, a lot of the things you've said here aren't rooted in truth, and I'm afraid you've been reading too many books and leaning on your own understanding too much.
It's great to read the Bible, and I'm glad that you do. But, you need to ask God to give you understanding while you read (I do this, myself
), so that you receive what you're reading the way He intended it when it was written. Also, ask to be filled with the Holy Spirit, because He will lead you into all truth. All the best to you, but, please, be careful and let God reveal truth to you directly. Go easy on the book knowledge! -Nichole
However, a lot of the things you've said here aren't rooted in truth, and I'm afraid you've been reading too many books and leaning on your own understanding too much.
It's great to read the Bible, and I'm glad that you do. But, you need to ask God to give you understanding while you read (I do this, myself
), so that you receive what you're reading the way He intended it when it was written. Also, ask to be filled with the Holy Spirit, because He will lead you into all truth. All the best to you, but, please, be careful and let God reveal truth to you directly. Go easy on the book knowledge! -NicholeColossians 1:15-18---Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16-- For by Him were all things CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in the earth, visible, and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were created by him, and for Him: 17--And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. 18--And He is the head (Jesus) of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead (Jesus) that in all things he might have preeminence.----No other books except A Walk with Abraham--Just the Bible
We have to look beyond the man that he WAS and see the GOD that he is.
It's almost like God is sorting the wheat from the chaff among christians first.
Jesus is God's NAME--Bless you
Huldah
We have to look beyond the man that he WAS and see the GOD that he is.
It's almost like God is sorting the wheat from the chaff among christians first.
Jesus is God's NAME--Bless you
Huldah