Astral Projection Vivid dreams

[La0Michael]

Im curious to learn more about things like astral projection. Why? you may wonder its not a good thing. ive heard allllot of christians say. Though theres one problem, I astral project. often, non-intentionally.
now before you write a reply telling me not to astral project. im going to write it again I astral project. NON-INTENTIONALLY. why? i have no clue Im hoping I can get some good answers. I find astral projection to at first be strange and dangerous. but now it doesn't bother me as much.
the first few times I would do it. I would go places where things and spirits or possibly demons would attack and or bother me. and I disliked it alot. but since i had not a clue about astral porjection in the first place i didnt know what to do, I eventually got used to it and even began to fight back in most instances. now in my O B E (out of body expereinces ) I would be in a place unknown to me and or in a position to defend someone else or defend myself, and a few times id just see myself with wings and end up flying around. Now what baffles me is in someof these astral projections or maybe these were visions and or vivid dreams. i awoke to a world after the rapture and saw nephilim walking about. and in another? i was at meggedo, though i have never seen it before. at all and i was on a cliff top with a grreeeat amount of angels and archangel was next to me and he pointed his sword as if to charge me and the angels swooped down onto the battlefeild that was full of demons. about a month later, i saw a documentary on God vs the devil. in that same documentary they showed meggedo and would you believe it i recodnized the cliff i had the dream or projection on,.. it looked enirely the same, now i know i know astral projection is dangerous. but then again If God invented it? why does he allow me to do it so often and keep me safe in it,? Some of you may think " Oh he's young he may just be havng vivid dreams " i highly doubt that because i would often just pop up at places. amd hear and feel and see everything and i would know that this is entirely my spirit i would have a conciouss thought about how im in my bed asleep during this, and by the end of it i would teleport back into myself and for those who skim along threads? im gonna say it again I astral project NON-INTENTIONALLY, I will admit i picked up sleep alchemy from my grandad and i can ever since i was 17 only sleep on my back. now ive been told and sent to webites where they teach astral projection but never really read much due to warnings about it. but i eventually started to astral project more literally and randomly. I was in a room waiting for my college registration process to finish. and i was dozing off. now this was a little embarrasing but it happened i began to astral project why? i have no clue... how? no clue... but as my spirit arose out of me i saw my bookbag and being this drowsy i attempted to step over it thinking i was walking forreal and ended up coming back into myself and kicking my bookbag, it was a cool giggle but in my mind i wondered why do i keep doing this. by the way im a very unique person with a unique story and im thirsty to figure out the right way to go, so feel free to message me on that but thanks for the love and replies family!!


much love theo

 

[Ugly]

God invented astral projection? Really? Where's the biblical foundation for that? So God invented an occult practice? hmm.

Just because something seems to be giving an air of something positive, doesn't make it good. Satan comes as an angel of light. If what you're doing is founded in evil, not matter how 'good' it may seem, its still founded in evil. Period. I would not suggest purposefully actively participating in this occult practice. In fact, i would seek prayer from church elders to be delivered. Something is wrong here, and whatever is going on Satan is trying to deceive you into thinking its acceptable.

I don't know you, so i'm making some presumptions, but i feel fairly convinced you've participated in occult practices purposefully at some point in your life. The likelyhood of you astral projecting uncontrollably without previous occult activity seems unlikely.

Whats 'sleep alchemy'? I looked it up online and found nothing. And whats so impressive about sleeping on your back? I do that too sometimes.

Seems to me you have a lot of demonic activity around you and influencing you. I don't believe in 'deliverance ministries' per se, but you do seem to be in need of some sort of deliverance.

 

[Warrior777]

I agree with Ugly, even though he doesn't believe in deliverance ministries, but in fact this is exactly what you need.
Possibly there has been a generational curse in your family, since you mentioned something about your grandfather having problems also. It is vital to break this curse and any others that specifically involve witchcraft and the occult. If you haven't been involved in it personally then someone in your family history most likely did, these things do not come out of thin air, there are reasons for it that this happens to you. You have to find out the reason and then close this door to the spiritual realm once and for all. You know already that it is dangerous and it is playing with the occult which is strictly forbidden by God, even if you do it not intentionally, it is up to you now to shut it down. It is not of God! If God shows you something in a vision, then you know it's from God but these kind of outer body experiences are of the enemy. They are done by demon spirits and can be stopped. Even though it might not be your fault or originated with you, it is always good and necessary to repent of these things (like with all sin) before attempting to attack the enemy behind it. Standing in the gap by repenting and renouncing these occult things that might have been done by your ancestors is getting right with God for what was done wrong (not for them but for you and your descendants) which also will remove the right of the enemy to do that to you. Then they need most likely be cast out and told to go, to leave you and not to come back. Ask God to fill you with the Holy Spirit after each deliverance.
Always put on the whole armor of God (Eph 6) and ask God to protect you, plead the blood of Jesus over you and ask for hedge of protection around you...
This is a spiritual fight, you need to fight with spiritual weapons, unfortunately this is not being taught in most of our churches anymore and when it comes to that many people are ignorant or run the other way, which doesn't help the problem at hand and for a lack of knowledge God's people are destroyed.
We are commanded in scripture by Jesus to cast out demons, but how many churches do you see actually doing this?
If you can find a church somewhere close to you that can really help you with this I would go and talk with them, otherwise, if you are really serious in getting free, you might have to travel a bit to a ministry that actually believes the gospel and does something about it.
You can also always tackle this yourself and/or with a friend that you trust and that can help you with this.
There are several websites out there that can teach you how to do deliverance and by yourself.

I posted some of them in another thread:
click -> http://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/33516-spiritual-warfare.html#post582450

 

[Ritter]

Maybe you really are not projecting astrally.

 

[WordGaurdian]

What you experience is quite normal and believe it or not Biblical. But most people can't read it. Why? Well because of fear. They fear what they don't understand. Astral Projection is the common or wordly name for it. But it existed quite some time before people even knew how to spell Internet or Computer.

So to the first question... is it of God. The answer is simple. If it was done in the Bible then we would know that Yes it is from Him. So here are a few scriptures. And no. Just about everybody is going to go bananas about it, because it is a very feared topic. Why? Because it involves the secret of the Kingdom of Heaven. And if people ever have to talk about that then it would imply that they could actually start to understand the truth behind it and what Jesus has done for us. While in a small way anyway. But anycase...

In 2 Kings Chapter 5. You will read about Elisha...please read the entire story and chapter to understand the context it is in.
But in the end of the chapter Elisha asked his servant if he was not with him, did he not see what has been done? Why? Well to put it into easy to understand terms... Elisha traveled in his spirit to where Gehazi was and witnessed what took place.

2Ki 5:25 But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither.
2Ki 5:26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?

2 Corinthians 5
2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 2Co 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Corinthians 12
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
You are welcome to read the rest of the chapter as well...

1 Corinthians 5
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

Here Paul speaks specifically how he was with them in spirit. And he refers to a deed that he witnessed and therefore judged. He does not state that he is emphasizing with them or anything. At this stage he was repremanding them.

So yes. Astral projection is quite normal in the Bible.
So why?

John 3.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Seeing or witnessing is but the first step.
Entering into the spiritual realm is what is supposed to be a common practise with most Christians.
For it is in this that you can enter God's Kingdom (which is by the way in Spirit). And in the Spirit you can obtain the gifts from God such as Healing, Prophecy, etc to give and aid people and fellow Christians.

So first off do not be dismayed.
Secondly... the reason why it happened to you is probably because of the type of gifts that you have been given by the Father at birth. You see some are called to be...
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

You have been given a gift. However you still need to grow into that gift and the depths of it. Some gifts do not experience what you experience at the same rate you experience. be patient with them. They really really do not understand. Even if they try and more often than not they do not cause they don't listen.

However their are a couple of important principles for you to understand in this. Even though you go into the spiritual realm you still need to adhere to God's voice. You are at your full senses and can do actions. This means you would be called into accountability for those actions. Pray and ask and listen for God's voice and His instructions. For the Holy Spirit can teach you a lot about these things which most people don't understand.

Secondly when you come in contact with a spirit (I noticed you are not always sure which one it is, a demon or an angel...) remember the basis of what you have been taught in Galatians 5:16-23.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Remember what Jesus said: By their fruit you shall know them...

This should aid you in discerning good and evil. Their fruit you will sense, and no matter how they appear, remember to bear in mind the fruit.

Also remember the following... if you are in the Spirit you need protection...

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

This is literally what it means, if you do not live in truth and you lie,etc you do not have the girlde of truth about you, if you deal unrightiously with those around you, understand that in likewise manner you would not have protection in that area.

If you do not have faith, you do not have a shield, however remember the following scripture:
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

So if you are in an attack remember to hear and listen for God's voice, for that will give you faith, which will be your shield. And the command He gives you will be your sword. It would usually be some kind of action.

Stay humble, for in humily God will grant you grace. But in arrogance you will falter.

And then avoid the following in your life:


Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

So yes. In a summary: Do not fear.
God is good. And He loves you. He has given you a special gift to aid others.
Many will hunt you and more will refuse to listen to you.
But you must remain focussed on God.
It is not an easy road. But I am sure you are confident and willing to walk the path of God fully.

Be at peace, and know that God is with you.
Blessings

 

[zeroturbulence]

You're asking about astral projection on a christian website. I hope you realize that most people here are going to judge you whether you do it intentionally or not. Just saying. I happen to believe in AP and even had it happen a few times when I was about your age. There are some people like yourself that have a proclivity to it happening to them often. Its just like how a psychic can't control when they have visions, you can't control when you have OBEs. My only advice would be to pray a prayer of protection every night before you go to sleep. God bless.

 

[Warrior777]

What you experience is quite normal and believe it or not Biblical. But most people can't read it. Why? Well because of fear. They fear what they don't understand. Astral Projection is the common or wordly name for it. But it existed quite some time before people even knew how to spell Internet or Computer.

So to the first question... is it of God. The answer is simple. If it was done in the Bible then we would know that Yes it is from Him. So here are a few scriptures. And no. Just about everybody is going to go bananas about it, because it is a very feared topic. Why? Because it involves the secret of the Kingdom of Heaven. And if people ever have to talk about that then it would imply that they could actually start to understand the truth behind it and what Jesus has done for us. While in a small way anyway. But anycase...

In 2 Kings Chapter 5. You will read about Elisha...please read the entire story and chapter to understand the context it is in.
But in the end of the chapter Elisha asked his servant if he was not with him, did he not see what has been done? Why? Well to put it into easy to understand terms... Elisha traveled in his spirit to where Gehazi was and witnessed what took place.

2Ki 5:25 But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither.
2Ki 5:26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?

2 Corinthians 5
2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 2Co 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2 Corinthians 12
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
You are welcome to read the rest of the chapter as well...

1 Corinthians 5
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

Here Paul speaks specifically how he was with them in spirit. And he refers to a deed that he witnessed and therefore judged. He does not state that he is emphasizing with them or anything. At this stage he was repremanding them.

So yes. Astral projection is quite normal in the Bible.
So why?

John 3.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Seeing or witnessing is but the first step.
Entering into the spiritual realm is what is supposed to be a common practise with most Christians.
For it is in this that you can enter God's Kingdom (which is by the way in Spirit). And in the Spirit you can obtain the gifts from God such as Healing, Prophecy, etc to give and aid people and fellow Christians.

So first off do not be dismayed.
Secondly... the reason why it happened to you is probably because of the type of gifts that you have been given by the Father at birth. You see some are called to be...
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

You have been given a gift. However you still need to grow into that gift and the depths of it. Some gifts do not experience what you experience at the same rate you experience. be patient with them. They really really do not understand. Even if they try and more often than not they do not cause they don't listen.

However their are a couple of important principles for you to understand in this. Even though you go into the spiritual realm you still need to adhere to God's voice. You are at your full senses and can do actions. This means you would be called into accountability for those actions. Pray and ask and listen for God's voice and His instructions. For the Holy Spirit can teach you a lot about these things which most people don't understand.

Secondly when you come in contact with a spirit (I noticed you are not always sure which one it is, a demon or an angel...) remember the basis of what you have been taught in Galatians 5:16-23.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Remember what Jesus said: By their fruit you shall know them...

This should aid you in discerning good and evil. Their fruit you will sense, and no matter how they appear, remember to bear in mind the fruit.

Also remember the following... if you are in the Spirit you need protection...

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

This is literally what it means, if you do not live in truth and you lie,etc you do not have the girlde of truth about you, if you deal unrightiously with those around you, understand that in likewise manner you would not have protection in that area.

If you do not have faith, you do not have a shield, however remember the following scripture:
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

So if you are in an attack remember to hear and listen for God's voice, for that will give you faith, which will be your shield. And the command He gives you will be your sword. It would usually be some kind of action.

Stay humble, for in humily God will grant you grace. But in arrogance you will falter.

And then avoid the following in your life:


Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

So yes. In a summary: Do not fear.
God is good. And He loves you. He has given you a special gift to aid others.
Many will hunt you and more will refuse to listen to you.
But you must remain focussed on God.
It is not an easy road. But I am sure you are confident and willing to walk the path of God fully.

Be at peace, and know that God is with you.
Blessings

Concerning astral projection, you are confusing the issue by twisting scripture and make them say what they don't. Under no circumstances we are taught to do that in the Bible, but on the contrary it is considered witchcraft and actively doing this or allowing it and not casting this demon out that is behind this is rebellion and opens the door for a death curse as a punishment for being involved with the occult.
This is not me judging anybody but this is a warning from the word of God. So if God forbids it, why do you want to make people believe this is a gift from God when in turn it is witchcraft!?
When Paul had a vision of heaven, is because God himself took him there and he didn't know if he was taken up with his entire body or if he just had a vision of it being there. This is totally different then astral projecting, which having a vision is not and being "taken up" by God is not either! The same goes with the term of being somewhere in spirit! We have the same term nowadays!
And even if God would allow similar things under His supervision to happen to anybody (like people that were dead before and came back to life that saw how they left their own body - and even that most times is witchcraft induced I believe), they would know it , there would be no doubt no confusion about it, but then it would not be astral projection, which is an occult art taught by witches and satanists, they need the help from a demon to do that!

 

[WordGaurdian]

Concerning astral projection, you are confusing the issue by twisting scripture and make them say what they don't. Under no circumstances we are taught to do that in the Bible, but on the contrary it is considered witchcraft and actively doing this or allowing it and not casting this demon out that is behind this is rebellion and opens the door for a death curse as a punishment for being involved with the occult.
This is not me judging anybody but this is a warning from the word of God. So if God forbids it, why do you want to make people believe this is a gift from God when in turn it is witchcraft!?
When Paul had a vision of heaven, is because God himself took him there and he didn't know if he was taken up with his entire body or if he just had a vision of it being there. This is totally different then astral projecting, which having a vision is not and being "taken up" by God is not either! The same goes with the term of being somewhere in spirit! We have the same term nowadays!
And even if God would allow similar things under His supervision to happen to anybody (like people that were dead before and came back to life that saw how they left their own body - and even that most times is witchcraft induced I believe), they would know it , there would be no doubt no confusion about it, but then it would not be astral projection, which is an occult art taught by witches and satanists, they need the help from a demon to do that!

I have given multiple scriptures where it has been done in the Bible. And it wouldn't take a child half a second to understand what was meant by it. However, seeing that you state that God forbids it. And we know the Bible cannot possibly contradict itself. Please feel free to give or state the verses indicating so...

Blessings...
Take your time, I am in no hurry

PS By the way what God does forbid (which alot of Christian seems to do these days) is to have contact with mediums.

 

[Warrior777]

Gal 5:19-21 19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

jer 27:9-10
Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:
10For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.

Deut 18:9-14
9When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
14For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

2 Kings 17:17
And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Ezekiel 13:6
They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

Leviticus 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:6
And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

1 Samuel 28:8-9
And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?

Familiar spirit in divination, here seen to be a disembodied spirit, traveling and moving without a body!

2 Kings 23:24
Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 33:6
And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

2 Cor 5:1-8
1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord

Paul is talking about the resurrection here NOT about astral projecting out of your body but rather receiving a new body after we die!


How many more scriptures do you need?! The Bible is not a handbook on witchcraft or the occult that lists every single item that demons do, very often it's just categorized and summed up into one larger category. Astral projection is part of witchcraft, it falls under the category of divination, you have to use demons and many do encounter familiar spirits while doing this. As La0Michael said he encountered demons while this was happening to him that attacked him, if he was in God while doing this there would not have been an attack like that!Do not be deceived!! Even any witch can tell you that...!

If you go out of your body you are giving your control over to "something" else that now controls you and guides you through this spiritual realm
But You show me a scripture ( not your twisted ones in the prior post!) where astral projection is a gift of the Holy Spirit as you pointed out!? If this is something that the Holy Spirit gives us to be practiced, He definitely would have told us to do so and described it along with the other gifts. But now you are even proposing for him to be going deeper into this and use it (your self described gift) for advantage you are telling him to commit a sin in God's eyes that leads to death!

 

[WordGaurdian]

Gal 5:19-21 19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Check - Witchcraft, etc BAD

jer 27:9-10
Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon:
10For they prophesy a lie unto you, to remove you far from your land; and that I should drive you out, and ye should perish.

Not sure what you were trying to bring to the table here... Prophets were created by God as we all know?

Deut 18:9-14
9When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
13Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
14For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

Familiar spirits and diviners - BAD -- Yes that is divination and being a medium etc.


2 Kings 17:17
And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

same concept of what is BAD

Ezekiel 13:6
They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

Here we can easily see to what is divination or what is a part of it for that matter... abstracting from the word Divine which is logic.

Leviticus 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Same thing about mediums... yes totally agree

Leviticus 20:6
And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Same thing about mediums... yes totally agree

Leviticus 20:27
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Same thing about mediums... yes totally agree

1 Samuel 28:8-9
And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?

Again the best possible definition of a medium

Familiar spirit in divination, here seen to be a disembodied spirit, traveling and moving without a body!

Yes absolutely, a lot of spirit do not have physical bodies, hence they are spirits...

2 Kings 23:24
Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD.

Yup, same thing, no medium or working with familiar spirits. Got that.

2 Chronicles 33:6
And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Again, no witchcraft and no familiar spirits, etc. Got it. Echantments in this sense of the word absolute a big no no. I totally agree.

2 Cor 5:1-8
1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord

Here Paul talk about they being confident (saying that they are not nervous or new to this) to be absent from the body(physical) and to be present with the Lord.

Woops.


Paul is talking about the resurrection here NOT about astral projecting out of your body but rather receiving a new body after we die!

Actually death is not mentioned here. But if you wish to see it as resurrection, I suppose you could, for you do need to be reborn in Spirit before you can move in Spirit. Which is to say very logic. But for the sake of being nice. You could probably read of the resurrection or second coming if you'd like. Sounded more to me like he was talking about the earthly house (your body being the temple for the Holy Spirit - to which you do agree) and the destinction between that and the Spiritual Body.


How many more scriptures do you need?!

Just one or two stating that moving in the spirit (obviously stating astral projection is illogical) would be wrong.

For Paul stated that we should walk by the Spirit that we do not do the desires of the flesh.

And just by the way. You do not leave your Body when you actually move in the Spirit.
For if your spirit left your physical body you would be dead. (heartbeat stop, no more brain flashes, nothing)

 

[jimsun]

Please don't chew bits off me for being seemingly flippant or not interested here - Nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, I'll accept I'm merely displaying a complete ignorance of the subjec, despite an interest that has caused me to pour over each post & a couple of them twice.

I don't know if it's relevant but, as a brain injury patient & unstable epileptic, I can suffer 4-6 seizures per week. These can range from a simple Absence through a Petit Mal to a Partial Seizure & Grand Mal & ultimately "Status Epilepticus" - the last one being a "blues & twos" job, to get me to a hospital within my 'Golden Time' & to assess the condition of the haemorrhage & 'slow leak' of blood into my pre-frontal cortex.

Reading your posts, with neurological condition on one side & my faith on the other, some of you are describing what, to me, is a pre-seizure aura &. then a seizure.

I know this now trespasses into the area of faith v science - & I know in which my feet are firmly planted, but .......!

God bless
J.

 

[AnandaHya]

I believe astral projection is possible but I also believe that God wants us to stay in these bodies not wander around the world naked of our flesh. that is why He gave us skins of animals to cover us.

God's purpose is for us to be living testimonies to this world and that is not possible if we wander around in the spirit whether it be just in our minds and daydreams or in reality in a spirit realm unseen by others. God has angels to do battle in the spirit realm our mission in this life is to reach the flesh and blood humans who have wandered away from Him with the Gospel of Christ so that they may repent and turn from their sin and be healed.

I would not use the verse on witchcraft but these instead:

Isaiah 58
7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
When you see the naked, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from your own flesh?


I believe this is a commandment against astral projection because in a sense when you astral project you are hiding yourself from your flesh. If you are too long gone from your flesh it will perish from lack of attention like any baby who does not get touched by another loving soul. then all you will be is a lost wandering soul waiting to be cast into to the fire because of your disobedience to the warnings found in God's words.

As for your own personal experiences I can not say if they are vivid dreams, delusions sent by demons, astral projections, imaginations of your own mind or something else, but I just wanted to give you the warning concerning astral projection. there are more verses and we can discuss it further but two words in your post red flagged something we perhaps should discuss in more detail:

sleep alchemy?

I have to take my daughter to preschool but feel free to pm me or post a response. I will try and respond back when I get a chance.

Psalm 16
1 Preserve me, O God, for in You I put my trust.

2 O my soul, you have said to the LORD,
“You are my Lord,
My goodness is nothing apart from You.”

 

[WordGaurdian]

Please don't chew bits off me for being seemingly flippant or not interested here - Nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, I'll accept I'm merely displaying a complete ignorance of the subjec, despite an interest that has caused me to pour over each post & a couple of them twice.

I don't know if it's relevant but, as a brain injury patient & unstable epileptic, I can suffer 4-6 seizures per week. These can range from a simple Absence through a Petit Mal to a Partial Seizure & Grand Mal & ultimately "Status Epilepticus" - the last one being a "blues & twos" job, to get me to a hospital within my 'Golden Time' & to assess the condition of the haemorrhage & 'slow leak' of blood into my pre-frontal cortex.

Reading your posts, with neurological condition on one side & my faith on the other, some of you are describing what, to me, is a pre-seizure aura &. then a seizure.

I know this now trespasses into the area of faith v science - & I know in which my feet are firmly planted, but .......!

God bless
J.

How very interesting. I myself have only had Petit Mal seizures so far in my life.
I don't believe that you are trespassing in the sense of science v faith.
But it is definitely something to investigate.

Thank you. This could help a lot. As I always say, we all been given some piece of God's puzzle.

 

[AnandaHya]

Please don't chew bits off me for being seemingly flippant or not interested here - Nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, I'll accept I'm merely displaying a complete ignorance of the subjec, despite an interest that has caused me to pour over each post & a couple of them twice.

I don't know if it's relevant but, as a brain injury patient & unstable epileptic, I can suffer 4-6 seizures per week. These can range from a simple Absence through a Petit Mal to a Partial Seizure & Grand Mal & ultimately "Status Epilepticus" - the last one being a "blues & twos" job, to get me to a hospital within my 'Golden Time' & to assess the condition of the haemorrhage & 'slow leak' of blood into my pre-frontal cortex.

Reading your posts, with neurological condition on one side & my faith on the other, some of you are describing what, to me, is a pre-seizure aura &. then a seizure.

I know this now trespasses into the area of faith v science - & I know in which my feet are firmly planted, but .......!

God bless
J.

I'm glad you have maintained your faith through it all

Psalm 103

A Psalm of David.

1 Bless the LORD, O my soul;
And all that is within me, bless His holy name!
2 Bless the LORD, O my soul,
And forget not all His benefits:
3 Who forgives all your iniquities,
Who heals all your diseases,
4 Who redeems your life from destruction,
Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies,
5 Who satisfies your mouth with good things,
So that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.

6 The LORD executes righteousness
And justice for all who are oppressed.
7 He made known His ways to Moses,
His acts to the children of Israel.
8 The LORD is merciful and gracious,
Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy.
9 He will not always strive with us,
Nor will He keep His anger forever.
10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities.

11 For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father pities his children,
So the LORD pities those who fear Him.
14 For He knows our frame;
He remembers that we are dust.

15 As for man, his days are like grass;
As a flower of the field, so he flourishes.
16 For the wind passes over it, and it is gone,
And its place remembers it no more.[a]
17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting
On those who fear Him,
And His righteousness to children’s children,
18 To such as keep His covenant,
And to those who remember His commandments to do them.

19 The LORD has established His throne in heaven,
And His kingdom rules over all.

20 Bless the LORD, you His angels,
Who excel in strength, who do His word,
Heeding the voice of His word.
21 Bless the LORD, all you His hosts,
You ministers of His, who do His pleasure.
22 Bless the LORD, all His works,
In all places of His dominion.

Bless the LORD, O my soul!


[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB1kQJpro78[/video]

 

[zeroturbulence]

Are we now debating whether astral projection is biblical or not? I don't think it matters because its just something that happens to people unintentionally. Some can do it at will, but that is another matter altogether. And for those who doubt it is real, there are cases where people have been able to report details of someplace that they couldn't have known unless they had been there yet they were physically asleep in their beds at the time. I know two people that this has happened to and in both cases they were able to describe things that happened which they could not have known unless they really were there.

 

[WordGaurdian]

I'm glad you have maintained your faith through it all

Psalm 103

A Psalm of David.

1 Bless the LORD, O my soul;
And all that is within me, bless His holy name!
2 Bless the LORD, O my soul,
And forget not all His benefits:
3 Who forgives all your iniquities,
Who heals all your diseases,
4 Who redeems your life from destruction,
Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies,
5 Who satisfies your mouth with good things,
So that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.

6 The LORD executes righteousness
And justice for all who are oppressed.
7 He made known His ways to Moses,
His acts to the children of Israel.
8 The LORD is merciful and gracious,
Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy.
9 He will not always strive with us,
Nor will He keep His anger forever.
10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities.

11 For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father pities his children,
So the LORD pities those who fear Him.
14 For He knows our frame;
He remembers that we are dust.

15 As for man, his days are like grass;
As a flower of the field, so he flourishes.
16 For the wind passes over it, and it is gone,
And its place remembers it no more.[a]
17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting
On those who fear Him,
And His righteousness to children’s children,
18 To such as keep His covenant,
And to those who remember His commandments to do them.

19 The LORD has established His throne in heaven,
And His kingdom rules over all.

20 Bless the LORD, you His angels,
Who excel in strength, who do His word,
Heeding the voice of His word.
21 Bless the LORD, all you His hosts,
You ministers of His, who do His pleasure.
22 Bless the LORD, all His works,
In all places of His dominion.

Bless the LORD, O my soul!

I LOVE THIS SONG!!!!

We used to sing this all the time when I was a teenager...
And I still love it!


Interesting scripture you gave me there. And an interesting line of thought, worth investigating...
Thank you. I haven't forgotten, I just got busy with my day.

Well I'm gonna do some searching, Rom 8 caught my eye,

Still trying to reach the Kingdom...

Talk to you later

 

[AnandaHya]

Are we now debating whether astral projection is biblical or not? I don't think it matters because its just something that happens to people unintentionally. Some can do it at will, but that is another matter altogether. And for those who doubt it is real, there are cases where people have been able to report details of someplace that they couldn't have known unless they had been there yet they were physically asleep in their beds at the time. I know two people that this has happened to and in both cases they were able to describe things that happened which they could not have known unless they really were there.

I thought the discussion is if astral projection should be sought out and experienced or avoided. I don't think the Bible tells us to seek it and I believe it causes physical things to happen to those who practice such things like seizures (not saying all seizures are a result of it but there is a coorelation between the two.

before a seizure scans often pick up a repeated pattern of sparks or flare ups in the brain, in some eastern meditative practices people intentionally place their minds in such a state to induce astral projection and other trance like states.

I don't believe God intends for us to do such things and we should avoid it because it is damaging to our bodies and our bodies our not our own but entrusted to us by God to care for as living sacrifices to Him.

" they were able to describe things that happened which they could not have known unless they really were there" or a demon told them by placing the images in their minds.

Most of the people I know who mess with astral projection and the spirit realm end up having neurological problems, elipesy, seizures,schrizophrenia etc.

God is able to cast out demons and heal the damage they have done to a person, but the person must first understand and truly accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and repent of their sins and turn from them and to Him. They first have to have saving faith which is only available through the grace of God.

Without the Holy Spirit in them ,they will only be a cleaned out house ready for the possession by seven more foul and more wicked then the first.

God heals through His Gospel and faith in Jesus Christ remission of sins on the cross and His resurrection and seeking the Kingdom of God with humble contrite and truly repentant hearts.

Just because the demon is gone does not mean the damage is completely healed. Its like a bullet wound, the longer you leave it in the more damage it does but even when you remove it sometimes cause damage in its remove and leaves damage that must heal with time and care and through the grace of God.

 

[WordGaurdian]

Are we now debating whether astral projection is biblical or not? I don't think it matters because its just something that happens to people unintentionally. Some can do it at will, but that is another matter altogether. And for those who doubt it is real, there are cases where people have been able to report details of someplace that they couldn't have known unless they had been there yet they were physically asleep in their beds at the time. I know two people that this has happened to and in both cases they were able to describe things that happened which they could not have known unless they really were there.

I don't think for salvation purposes it is needed, however I am curious about the fact that when Paul talks about being with people in the Spirit, and Elisja being with Gahazi, they don't refer to it as something that is uncommon. Well at least not to the spiritual people of that time.

I do believe however one would be foolish according to the book of Ephesians to go into the spiritual realm without the proper armourment. I also believe that this is not about debating, but more about understanding.

We already know it happened in the Bible... even though some might not agree. But you know what is funny ( I'm trailing a bit, but just a thought...

God is the God above everything, the Creator.
However whenever I talked on the forums about God talking to us... people refused to believe in the possibility. But oh my, oh my demons CAN talk to you.
Whenever I talked about the gifts of healings and prophecy in today's time given by the Holy Spirit of course... some immediately told me and everyone to hear, that the gifts were for the time when the disciples of Jesus was on earth and that era ended and it is no longer in use. So anything of that nature therefore must be wrong. (Hence they would rather believe that someone can cast a spell of healing by the devil
than in our own Creator giving healing through His love still today via His Holy Spirit and the gifts there of.)

You know I have seen this kind of behaviour on the mission fields as well... some of the missionaries that went with me, were more afraid of the Sangomas (which is an african witchdoctor) than they believed in that God can protect them.

And don't get me wrong. If we were (and please forgive me for what I'm about to say) worshipping a dead Idol that did nothing and weren't involved in our lives, I would get it. But PRAISE be to God, that He is loving and caring Father who takes care of us, even if we messed up.

The thing is, I see Him do miracles on a daily basis. I know God blesses me, but please certainly He bless others in seeing His miracles as well.

And then everytime there is something people don't get, they assign it to witchcraft rather than to ask God. (Oh yeah, I forgot, Some believe that in our modern time it is impossible that God can actually speak to you like you would speak to a friend or a child. - though they DO believe that satan can speak to his priests and instruct them what to do...


Am I the only one that is founding this totally crazy?

I mean, I know we should be wary of false prophets, but please the Bible gave us an extremely good example of one, namely Simon the Sorcerer in Acts. And we know he wanted to buy the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So it is quite clear of what he was guilty of. And why he was seen in the Bible as a false prophet.

Yet today if you put on a lot of Christian television channels, you find an invitation to give a love gift of so many, etc. And the reasoning behind it is that it is for the work of the Lord....
Hey, haven't they read the passage where Jesus cleansed the temple of God from men selling animals that were going to be offered to God?

Any case, got a bit side tracked, but it really frustrates me that everytime something is not quite fitting into a person's worldview they suddenly have to go and call it witchcraft. People have no idea what witchcraft is, nor the terrible effect it has on the people inside it. And how their NON ACCEPTANCE theology drive so many youngsters there because when they start experience the gifts of God in their life, there is no place for them in the CHURCH of today.

Sorry zeroturbulance. You are actually a nice and gentle person, and I can clearly read that you are lead by the Spirit of God, because your words are filled with the fruits of God. I just needed to blow of some steam.

I guess it has been a long day.
Blessings.

 

[AnandaHya]

mmm I still believe speaks to His children today and gives them dreams and visions, but I also believe Satan would deceive and tempt people as well by giving them delusions and having them wander off the path God intends for them to walk.

If you are having a seizure, or stuck in a daydream or astral projecting, can you really do the good works God tells you to do?

God toke His prophets and gave them visions but always He put them back into their bodies to achieve their missions. I have yet to read where God commanded humanity to engage demons on the astral plane. I have read where we are to resist and pray. there is supernatural power in prayer though we might not visibly see the results with our eyes.

I believe a lot of things people call "super natural occurrences" are possible. Look at the story of Moses and the Egyptian priests. that was a spiritual battle between the demonic forces or so called gods of Egypt and the Most High God of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac.

However did Moses astral project or fall into a vision or trance while engaged in battle? No he used his words and staff as God directed him to in a vision.

1 corinthians 9

24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. 25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. 26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.

anyway I believe people should study the Bible and pray about it. We are to run the race according to the rules. supernatural powers are kind of breaking the rules and should only be done when God commands it to be for His glory and not for any other reason.

2 Timothy 2:4-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier. 5 And also if anyone competes in athletics, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules

Yeah you are probably tired of reading my babbling but I just concerned because i've seen too many people mess up their lives playing with these things and they are still recovering from the affects. its like spiritual crack and many people get addicted.

 

[WordGaurdian]

AnandaHya

You have never (so far) babbled nor have you ever since I've known you said something that I didn't considered as valueable. I too believe one should be careful when dealing with these things which very few people truly understand and know about. It is for this reason that I made sure our young friend must understand that protection is vital in these things.

I want to give you a scripture and I want you to think about it please.

2Ki 6:12 And one of his servants said, None, my lord, O king: but Elisha, the prophet that is in Israel, telleth the king of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bedchamber.
2Ki 6:13 And he said, Go and spy where he is, that I may send and fetch him. And it was told him, saying, Behold, he is in Dothan.
2Ki 6:14 Therefore sent he thither horses, and chariots, and a great host: and they came by night, and compassed the city about.
2Ki 6:15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?
2Ki 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

I also of course urge you to read the whole story, as it would make this verse more clear.

But to put it simple. I am going to quickly tell you the basic details.

Elisha' servant was fearful. But Elisha saw God's army around them. He had no fear, cause He could see the army of God around him, (being filled with the Spirit as we all know).

Elisha could see both in Spirit and in the normal plane, why? Because He was both of water and of Spirit (John 3)
But his servant could not... hence he asked God to open the young man's eyes so he would no longer be troubled.


This is what I am talking about. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot of people that have no clue what they are doing when they are moving in the spiritual and according to me it is extremely unwise to do so. I would urge everyone to stay away from the spiritual if you don't have a clue, and God doesn't teach you.
But it is quite evident that Elisha saw both what we saw, but also in another dimension. People have so a limited understanding of the spiritual that they have no clue what is and is not.

Example, a prophet would naturally sense things are off around them (as you know) but that senses are under developed. They have not been trainer nor focused. For example ...
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Here the writer of Hebrews wrote something scary. Which most people would not accept because then they would have to focus on themselves and see how "young" they are actually in the Kingdom. Me personally have never been worried of being called young, stupid or a clown. Or even to be frowned upon.
But the word says it clear. One the can destinguish between good and evil with their senses.

In common language. One that can see, hear, smell, taste and feel the difference between good and evil vividly.

Meaning whether it be his spiritual or physical senses, and whether it be a person with good or evil intentions or whether or not it be a good or evil spirit. He can sense the difference.

But look around you. What is everybody focused on. What does get forced down every Christian's throat. That we must focus ONLY on the physical. Or plainly put : "There is no spiritual realm, and if there was you are not able to reach it for it is not the place of man.

Yet at the same time God said to worship Him in SPIRIT and in truth.
Jesus tried to explain to Nicodemus about the Spiritual Realm and How he needed to be Spiritually born.

Don't get me wrong, I also believe doing good to others and helping. But as ephesians said our battle is NOT against flesh and blood.

A lot of time, the attacker controlling the person talking to you is not flesh and blood, but how would you know this if you can't be in both?

Sometimes when I minister, my friends say they can see when I suddenly get a message from God, (they say it is like I phase into a trance), but I assure you, even though I get a message from God, I am still in the room and hear perfectly what the other people are saying as well. Sometimes God would give me a vision what to do in a second and in the very next second I would continue the conversation. But to most people that don't know me, when I minister to them, it seems like I simply hesitate and then continue.

The spiritual does not have the same rules and limitations as our earthbound flesh. For example I can see a person on the other side of the room ( God showing me him) and I have not stepped one foot forward.
However, I do believe that one should not just try astral projection, because the way most teach is not the way of God.

However that being said, if a person does project unintentionally, the most important thing for him to learn is not that he is a satanist...or something. It is however how he must survive in the spiritual realm and how to find the protection of God. For if he hears God voice. God Himself can edify him further.

And again not every situation calls for you to be in the spirit and in the flesh.
It should be logical. For instance if you are handing out blankets to the pour, I hardly think you need to go in the spirit for that.

I don't think that a seizure is neccesarily a good thing. I personally had them, and I can assure you, I had no experience as was mentioned by our friend. However maybe it was God's way of helping him. I don't know. Again something I have to check with God. Epilepsy according to the Bible however was not seen as one of the gifts of God more in the contrary.

But anycase... I should probably get back to work and prepare my work for tommorow.
So it has been nice to hear from you again.

Take care.