Satan was bound since the first advent

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Sweet...red youve joined us with your usual insults...Im always attentive to those who claim to model grace.
Please show me in Rev 20 where you get these unglorified folk...especially in the light of what is told in rev.19. By the way...please show me in rev.19 any reference to survivors please! that would be nice.
Also if you can explain the great chain...Is it steel? And can you explain a bottomless pit?

Since we are too foolish and unwise...please show me the place in the bible so i can learn where the
glorified and unglorified folk live togather at the same time. Im sure this task will be easy for you.
I am not here to change you or others, you remain as you are. If a man is wise in his own eyes of conceit, then he will probably remain that way and if foolish then he will remain foolish to his own liking. Only the meek and wise in heart can God teach and they will gain truth while the foolish reject it. The scriptures are of no private interpretation, but many have succumbed to the temptations of rationalization and have perverted the truth to what seems right to them. They have convinced themselves in matters of doctrine that God did not intend or inspire and have given due diligence in their studies to convince others of these private notions. They have fallen asleep in the dead letter and need to wake up unto the light and arise from the dead. Some need a little eye salve and ointment applied to their stiffneck to loosen them up to see the light.
 

superdave5221

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Matthew 12:28-29 (KJV)
Or else how can one (Christ) enter into a strong man's (Satan)
house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man
(Satan)? and then he will spoil his house.

Luke 10:18 (KJV)
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Revelation 12:9 (KJV)
And the great dragon (Satan) was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast
out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Amen brother. Good verses. The Luke 10:18 verse quoted above is the same event represented symbolically in Rev. 12: 7-9.

7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Many people are confused as to how the devil can be bound, and yet cause so much mischief in the world. They misunderstand the concept of binding. To begin with, the devil is a spirit, as God is a spirit. To think of Satan being thrown into a pit, with a lid on it, clearly shows a misunderstanding of the symbolic nature of the binding.

Satan's binding was in his being thrown out of heaven, and being bound in our world, as we are. As such, Satan no longer has access to the powers of heaven, or the throne of God, as he did in the book of Job. In this respect, we are greater than Satan, for we DO have access to the throne of God, through our high priest Jesus Christ.

Does this mean that when Satan is loosed for a time that he will once again inhabit heaven? I don't think so. I believe he will be able at that time to call on powers not of this world in which to deceive believers and inhibit the spread of the gospel. I believe this is presently occurring.

In my opinion, those at greatest risk of being deceived are those who seek spiritual experiences, rather than to live a life which expresses love and service to one another in the type of Christ's loving atoning experience on the cross. It is our relationship with Jesus Christ, as sons and daughters of God, which finds its expression in our love, fellowship, and service to one another, which will separate us from those who will belong to, and be in bondage to the devil.
 
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I am not here to change you or others, you remain as you are. If a man is wise in his own eyes of conceit, then he will probably remain that way and if foolish then he will remain foolish to his own liking. Only the meek and wise in heart can God teach and they will gain truth while the foolish reject it. The scriptures are of no private interpretation, but many have succumbed to the temptations of rationalization and have perverted the truth to what seems right to them. They have convinced themselves in matters of doctrine that God did not intend or inspire and have given due diligence in their studies to convince others of these private notions. They have fallen asleep in the dead letter and need to wake up unto the light and arise from the dead. Some need a little eye salve and ointment applied to their stiffneck to loosen them up to see the light.
Red your entire post here is private interpretation and full of spite and namecalling. To engage in dialogue
over eschatology can be a beautiful thing. Until someone starts calling people names...like foolish or like
stiffnecked. I could write a book on premil, postmil, and soon amil. And till i find a position im comfortable
with...i will humbly dialogue...in the meantime i spose ill put up with your bitterness and namecalling which is probably due to what? Too much eyesalve? Liveletter? You didnt answer any of my questions by the way.
But then your not here to discuss the bible are you?
 

cronjecj

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Amen brother. Good verses. The Luke 10:18 verse quoted above is the same event represented symbolically in Rev. 12: 7-9.

7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Many people are confused as to how the devil can be bound, and yet cause so much mischief in the world. They misunderstand the concept of binding. To begin with, the devil is a spirit, as God is a spirit. To think of Satan being thrown into a pit, with a lid on it, clearly shows a misunderstanding of the symbolic nature of the binding.

Satan's binding was in his being thrown out of heaven, and being bound in our world, as we are. As such, Satan no longer has access to the powers of heaven, or the throne of God, as he did in the book of Job. In this respect, we are greater than Satan, for we DO have access to the throne of God, through our high priest Jesus Christ.

Does this mean that when Satan is loosed for a time that he will once again inhabit heaven? I don't think so. I believe he will be able at that time to call on powers not of this world in which to deceive believers and inhibit the spread of the gospel. I believe this is presently occurring.

In my opinion, those at greatest risk of being deceived are those who seek spiritual experiences, rather than to live a life which expresses love and service to one another in the type of Christ's loving atoning experience on the cross. It is our relationship with Jesus Christ, as sons and daughters of God, which finds its expression in our love, fellowship, and service to one another, which will separate us from those who will belong to, and be in bondage to the devil.


..some tea?
 
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Amen brother. Good verses. The Luke 10:18 verse quoted above is the same event represented symbolically in Rev. 12: 7-9.

7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Many people are confused as to how the devil can be bound, and yet cause so much mischief in the world. They misunderstand the concept of binding. To begin with, the devil is a spirit, as God is a spirit. To think of Satan being thrown into a pit, with a lid on it, clearly shows a misunderstanding of the symbolic nature of the binding.

Satan's binding was in his being thrown out of heaven, and being bound in our world, as we are. As such, Satan no longer has access to the powers of heaven, or the throne of God, as he did in the book of Job. In this respect, we are greater than Satan, for we DO have access to the throne of God, through our high priest Jesus Christ.

Does this mean that when Satan is loosed for a time that he will once again inhabit heaven? I don't think so. I believe he will be able at that time to call on powers not of this world in which to deceive believers and inhibit the spread of the gospel. I believe this is presently occurring.

In my opinion, those at greatest risk of being deceived are those who seek spiritual experiences, rather than to live a life which expresses love and service to one another in the type of Christ's loving atoning experience on the cross. It is our relationship with Jesus Christ, as sons and daughters of God, which finds its expression in our love, fellowship, and service to one another, which will separate us from those who will belong to, and be in bondage to the devil.
Thanks for the post and its true.

We should not seek spiritual experiences but a life where we can express love and be a service to others because of God's love for us is overflowing in our hearts to His creation and His children and even those who are in bondage to sin.
 
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Satan is not bound.

1 John 5:19) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

(NIV) We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

(ESV) We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

1 Pet 5:8) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Eph 6:
11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

If satan was currently bound, we would not be wrestling against him.
 
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Are these events Past, Present or Future?

Revelation 5
9 And they sang a new song, saying:

“ You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us[d] kings[e] and priests to our God;
And we[f] shall reign on the earth.


Revelation 6
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Revelation 7:9-10
New King James Version (NKJV)

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

Revelation 19:6
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the[a] Lord God Omnipotent reigns!

Revelation 20:4
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[a] thousand years.....

5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Revelation 21
24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.

Revelation 22
3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. 4 They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. 5 There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.
All future. The seals, trumpets, bowls, Christ's return to fight armageddon, bind satan and set up the millennial kingdom, the loosing of satan, the judgments, the final heaven and earth are all still future.
 

superdave5221

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Thanks for the post and its true.

We should not seek spiritual experiences but a life where we can express love and be a service to others because of God's love for us is overflowing in our hearts to His creation and His children and even those who are in bondage to sin.
You're welcome Ananda. We should all be looking for chances to express God's love for us by expressing that same love to others.

Here's a video you would probably like.

Faith Hill - A Baby Changes Everything - Live - YouTube
 
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Satan is not bound.

1 John 5:19) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

(NIV) We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

(ESV) We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

1 Pet 5:8) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Eph 6:
11) Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

If satan was currently bound, we would not be wrestling against him.
if he was bound in the past and released you wouldn't know the difference
 
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Shroom,

Believe it or not there are some who don't wrestle with him
anymore.

Truth sets you free.
 
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if he was bound in the past and released you wouldn't know the difference
According to your beliefs, when those scripture were written satan was already bound, right? Yet Peter, John, and Paul said what they said, which contradicts your belief that satan was bound. He still is not bound. He will be bound at the start of the millennial kingdom (Rev 20:2) and then released at the end of it (Rev 20:7).
 
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Shroom,

Believe it or not there are some who don't wrestle with him
anymore.
Then you're not in the fight. Satan won't bother those who don't cause him grief. (as much, anyway)

Truth sets you free.
Yes, it does. With respect, you need more than you have.
 
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Job1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7:And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
So don't you think walking up and down the earth and going to and fro in the earth is kind of too busy for a bound man?....


1Peter5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour
"Walking around seeking whom to devour"...

Doesn't sound *bound* to me..
 

cronjecj

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According to your beliefs, when those scripture were written satan was already bound, right? Yet Peter, John, and Paul said what they said, which contradicts your belief that satan was bound. He still is not bound. He will be bound at the start of the millennial kingdom (Rev 20:2) and then released at the end of it (Rev 20:7).
There is no such thing as millennial kingdom.

You cannot even see that the kingdom is in us NOW. And His kingdom is EVERLASTING.

Not a literal 1000 years somewhere in the future.
 
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Shroom,

Where is the power of Christ within you,
has He not accomplished anything in you?

Did He leave you to fend for yourself?

Satan is bound in those that have received The Truth
Satan is not bound in the World,
But we are not of this world, were in it, but not of it.
 
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Shroom,

Where is the power of Christ within you,
It's there.

has He not accomplished anything in you?
Very much. He brought me from death to life.

Did He leave you to fend for yourself?
Of course not. God is my father, Jesus Christ is my brother, and I have the gift of holy spirit in me.

Satan is bound in those that have received The Truth.
Not according to the bible. Read Eph 6,among the other verses I've posted.

Satan is not bound in the World,
Right.

But we are not of this world, were in it, but not of it.
That too is correct. We are in it, "fighting the good fight".

2 Tim 3:12) Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
 

cronjecj

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So don't you think walking up and down the earth and going to and fro in the earth is kind of too busy for a bound man?....


"Walking around seeking whom to devour"...

Doesn't sound *bound* to me..

Satan's binding is related to him been thrown out of heaven.

It is not a literal chain and a literal pit.

We have God's Spirit in us making us stronger then him which was not so in the OT.
 
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Satan's binding is related to him been thrown out of heaven.

It is not a literal chain and a literal pit.

We have God's Spirit in us making us stronger then him which was not so in the OT.
Satan was thrown out of Heaven at the time of the creation of this earth. Why would God allow Satan and his angels in heaven for thousands of years to bring sin into heaven?