Occupy: What Would Jesus Do?

[TheGrungeDiva]

LOOK who supports them.

And the KKK supports Christianity. By your logic, then Christianity is evil?

There are a lot of good individuals and groups on that list as well as some questionable ones. And a lot of contradictory groups, for example, both communists and anarchists, which are about as opposites on a spectrum as you can get.

Just because someone of questionable values likes something doesn't necessarily mean that thing is wrong. Yes, endorsements do count for something, but when you're talking about something that covers 99% of the population, you're bound to get a lot of people in there. Like, oh, I don't know ... communists and anarchists?

 

[HhhLGA89]

Some (most, depending on your definition of the word "riot") of the occupiers were rioting. However, to my knowledge, there have been ZERO cases of rape and ZERO cases of LSD involved in any of the Occupy movements. So I will ask you kindly to provide evidence to support your claim, or apologize to the people you have slandered and repent for bearing false witness. (As a Christian, it is my duty to hold my sisters and brothers accountable.)

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Again, the occupiers have not been "carousing" or "dancing with harlots," either. Do you think the occupy movements are a party? By no means! First, you call them riots, then you say it's a party. Although a protest can devolve into a riot (and many of these have), and some protesters try to keep a positive attitude rather than just being ticked off (which is a good thing, I think), neither word really describes what the Occupy movements are: protests.

I wasn't saying that the occupiers where necessarily "carousing and dancing with harlots". I was simply giving the parallel of what sinners would be doing in Jesus' time and the current Occupy movement....

And many of them do love having Jesus around. You see, many of the occupiers are devout Christians who have Jesus in their heart, and love him dearly, and Jesus loves them. Sure, some of the occupiers are not Christian, and I pray for them, too.

Now this is HIGHLY presumptuous. How do you know that they would love having Jesus around?? What I said (about how they would probably crucify Him), however, is based on biblical truth. How do you know that they love Jesus dearly??? Again HIGHLY presumptuous!!

No, the occupiers are not trying to get something for nothing. In fact, one of the things they are fighting for is jobs. Now, if someone didn't want to work, why would they be fighting for a job? That just makes no sense. Use your brain, man.

This one is too ridiculous for me to even comment on. You must be listening to liberal media. Yeah, I am always seeing the footage of Occupiers occupying the unemployment line...No wait, I see the lines of local businesses filling them with free food, their demands for college debt to be liquidated, picket signs advocating socialism, the abolishing of money (some), boycotting business that could actually give them a job, etc. etc.

Some would, some wouldn't. Those of the occupiers who believe in him would absolutely want him around. Those who didn't, well, some would probably repent and come to believe, and some would remain stubborn, just like what happened 2,000 years ago.

I agree some Christians would want him around, but I wouldn't think to much are even there. I agree that some would repent as well. But your also forgetting on thing that happened 2,000 years ago: they not only remained stubborn, they also crucified the Lord of Glory. What makes these people any better???

And thank you very much for what you said I would do to Jesus. That was very kind of you, thanks.

 

[yaright]

I am quite familiar. I was thinking more that it takes away from the point of the OP's question.

I believe tribesman response to this thread is on target. It's true that we are to stand up for things which seem right to us, keeping in mind our Lord's authority over us; But the question wasn't about what we personally think is right. The question pertained to "What would Jesus do?"

There is an Old Testament prophet who spoke of the obedience of God's people, is to......


The following words are written in creation language. Within that creation language is the authority of Jesus Christ, the Lion of Judah, a Lion's whelp. Jesus Christ is the Lion of Judah; and also is a Lion's whelp. What I'm sharing with you is a key that open's understanding which would answer the question of this thread.

 

[yaright]

I believe tribesman response to this thread is on target. It's true that we are to stand up for things which seem right to us, keeping in mind our Lord's authority over us; But the question wasn't about what we personally think is right. The question pertained to "What would Jesus do?"

There is an Old Testament prophet who spoke of the obedience of God's people, is to......


The following words are written in creation language. Within that creation language is the authority of Jesus Christ, the Lion of Judah, a Lion's whelp. Jesus Christ is the Lion of Judah; and also is a Lion's whelp. What I'm sharing with you is a key that open's understanding which would answer the question of this thread.

Jesus fulfilled this portion of the words of Jacob, a prophet;

A key that helps with understanding is;

That which is above, has authority over that which is underneath.

That which is underneath is subject to that which is above.

This key speaks of the obedience of God's people.

There are two part of you which are the least of servants.

There is that which is born of flesh, and needs the nourishment from this world..

There is that part which is born of God (the child) and needs nourishment from above.

Both of these are under the authority of Christ.

This is what Jesus asked for 'them' and then rode 'them' into Jerusalem and gave his life.

These are the two part of you underneath the One who has authority over you.

This is the obedience of God's people.

The things Jacob spoke of are unfolding even as we speak...

 

[yaright]

Jesus fulfilled this portion of the words of Jacob, a prophet;

A key that helps with understanding is;

That which is above, has authority over that which is underneath.

That which is underneath is subject to that which is above.

This key speaks of the obedience of God's people.

There are two part of you which are the least of servants.

There is that which is born of flesh, and needs the nourishment from this world..

There is that part which is born of God (the child) and needs nourishment from above.

Both of these are under the authority of Christ.

This is what Jesus asked for 'them' and then rode 'them' into Jerusalem and gave his life.

These are the two part of you underneath the One who has authority over you.

This is the obedience of God's people.

The things Jacob spoke of are unfolding even as we speak...

With the key I've shared with you; understanding becomes personal when...

An Old Testament prophet was instructed by God; But the prophet did not heed the Word of God; instead the prophet did according to what seemed right to him and in the seat of authority, that prophet continued on his way; Until the Lion came and removed the prophet from the place of authority. This is why the Lion and the donkey were side by side on the rode; without the authority of the man in the seat of authority. This is what Jesus would do...

 

[Crimeny]

guys guys again I will repeat, cointelpro movements are dubious and are created to incite violence and instill fear into people, and take away civil liberties granted by the state, ows is very cointelpro, and there are so many provacateurs in these movements, not even funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHxfgixZtY&feature=player_embedded

 

[systemdown101]

As a Christian, it is my duty to hold my sisters and brothers accountable.

What about the people in the Occupy Movement? Will you hold them accountable as well? I mean good grief, there's footage out there of actual Occupy members and leaders chanting that sex with animals was okay.

In all of the cases you have linked, the illegal activities were not linked to any of the actual protesters.

In other words, in Philadelphia, a woman was raped in the city during Occupy: Philly. Gee, I wonder how many women are raped in that city normally. I'm not saying that it's okay that women are raped. Of course it's horrible that a woman was raped. But it is not the fault of the O group that it happened, and is in no way connected to O.

Will all due respect, that's being a bit disingenuous. It wasn't that a woman was raped in Philly, it was that a woman was raped INSIDE an Occupy Camp. Yeah, I would say it's connected. Or how about THIS incident? Or would THIS work? But even so, you're moving the goal posts here. The whole point was that you posted " However, to my knowledge, there have been ZERO cases of rape...in any of the Occupy movements. So I will ask you kindly to provide evidence to support your claim..." Well, I posted evidence.

And the KKK supports Christianity. By your logic, then Christianity is evil?

There are a lot of good individuals and groups on that list as well as some questionable ones. And a lot of contradictory groups, for example, both communists and anarchists, which are about as opposites on a spectrum as you can get.

Just because someone of questionable values likes something doesn't necessarily mean that thing is wrong. Yes, endorsements do count for something, but when you're talking about something that covers 99% of the population, you're bound to get a lot of people in there. Like, oh, I don't know ... communists and anarchists?

About an hour after I posted that particular link, I regretted it because we already have a number of conspiracy theorists on this website who think everything is some kind of bizarro Zionist Talmudic Plot to Rule The World and I didn't want to even look like one of those nutballs, but there was no way to edit it out, so ... *shrugs* Without going too far on this particular point, because it does open up a huge can of worms, it would seem to me that the very second the Occupy Movement found out who was supporting them, they should have immediately issued press releases denying that they wanted their support. To the best of MY knowledge, they did not, although I could very well be wrong. But ultimately, it makes the Occupy Movement look like a bunch of dupes (which is one big reason they should have repudiated the support)

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Now this is HIGHLY presumptuous. How do you know that they would love having Jesus around?? What I said (about how they would probably crucify Him), however, is based on biblical truth. How do you know that they love Jesus dearly??? Again HIGHLY presumptuous!!

I know this because, in case you couldn't tell from my previous posts, I have many close friends who are protesting at occupy rallies. I receive reports straight from the front lines. I guess I overestimated your ability to deduce and your basic reading comprehension skills. My bad.

This one is too ridiculous for me to even comment on. You must be listening to liberal media.

Again, no. I'm not listening to the liberal media or to the conservative media. All main-stream media sources are providing extremely biased anti-occupy versions of what's going on. Even the so-called "liberal" media, since they're owned by business (the 1%, hello) are reporting biased in favor of those who butter their bread. I'm not really surprised. A little disappointed that the same people who used to support the tea party movement, which was saying the same thing the current protesters are saying, many of those same people are turning a deaf ear. Although I'm happy to report that some of the protesters are the same people who were there at the tea parties. It's really a similar cause. We, the people, are tired of being stepped on by big government and big business. That's how the tea party started. It's a little sad that the tea party got "kid-napped" by politicians who talk about being anti-government but are politicians through and through. At least the democrats are honest about being pro-government. Not sure if that makes them better, in the big picture. If Satan tells you the truth, is he any less evil?

Ultimately, I'm not surprised but a little disappointed that so many people hear believe what this "liberal media" is feeding them about what the protesters are like. It's the liberal media that's painting them out to be lawless rioters, disrupting honest businesses and creating chaos everywhere they go. It's the liberal media that's refusing to print stories about how the Occupy movements have applied for permits in most of the cities where they have set up, and have been denied in many for no good reason. It's the liberal media that won't print about the few cities where the mayor and councils are working WITH the protesters, where crime is down, where businesses are reporting increased foot traffic, where politicians and people are actually reaching agreements and coming up with ideas to make things better. Why won't they print these stories? Because that won't sell advertising. Much better to paint them all as demons; that will make their sponsors happy.

Liberal, conservative, these labels are becoming meaningless. I honestly believe this is the beginning of a revolution. I believe Obama is going to be remembered as the Last President of one age, or the first of another. And yes, in one sense, as a Christian, I could stand on the side and say, well, I'm not of this world, so none of this really matters. But I see people suffering, and I see them through the eyes of my Lord, and I can't just look away. My heart swells, and I feel for them. I can't just walk away and do nothing. I have to get involved in some way. No, I'm not going to be making molotov cocktails or start throwing rocks at police, of course not. But I don't believe Jesus would walk away and do nothing, so neither can I.

 

[systemdown101]

But I see people suffering, and I see them through the eyes of my Lord, and I can't just look away. My heart swells, and I feel for them. I can't just walk away and do nothing. I have to get involved in some way. No, I'm not going to be making molotov cocktails or start throwing rocks at police, of course not. But I don't believe Jesus would walk away and do nothing, so neither can I.

See, this is something I definitely agree with you on, even if we have totally different views on the people in the camps, because I have the same feelings towards my people (I'm a Messianic Jew, if you didn't know that already) and I want to save them as well. I think I would be completely out of my element trying to witness to an Occupier, but you'd do much better than I.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

What about the people in the Occupy Movement? Will you hold them accountable as well?

I will and I do. If and when my sisters and brothers who are involved in the occupy movement sin, I absolutely hold them accountable.

I mean good grief, there's footage out there of actual Occupy members and leaders chanting that sex with animals was okay.

By all means, if a brother or sister of mine ever did this, I would certainly take them aside, as it is written in Matthew, and correct them out of love. If they did not listen, I would come back with two or three others to confront them. Just like the Gospels instruct.

In fact, I did once hear a brother say something to this effect, and I corrected him. He repented, and was forgiven. It was a beautiful, healing moment. So, yes, I take this responsibility very seriously.

it would seem to me that the very second the Occupy Movement found out who was supporting them, they should have immediately issued press releases denying that they wanted their support.

Why? Did you issue a press release denying that you wanted the KKK's support? Why not?

Hint: I imagine it's the same answer. At least, I hope it is. You don't issue a press release denouncing the KKK's support for several reasons. First of all, you, personally, do not represent all of Christendom, and cannot speak on behalf of all Christendom. Secondly, you are aware that most people realize that the KKK does not represent Christendom, and that just because the KKK supports Christianity doesn't mean that all of Christianity supports the KKK. Finally, you honestly don't care what the KKK does (I hope). You consider them a fringe group, and recognize that the more attention you give them, the more power you give them, and you'd just as soon not do that.

Similarly with the Occupy movement. There is no one person who represents the entire movement. They do not have any organized leader or structure (yet). Who would issue a press release? Whose responsibility is it to speak on behalf of them? The Occupy movement can be compared to Christianity. Yes, they share common goals, but there is not a single human heirarchy. All of Christendom does not answer to one Pope, or one President, just to God. The Occupy movement doesn't have that, and also has no human authority. Give them time. The US didn't have its constitution until it had been in existence for years. Occupy has only been in existence for a few months; all things considered, they're keeping it together pretty well. They do honestly want to represent 99% of the population. That means yes, there will be communists in there, and criminals, and atheists, and also Christians, and republicans and democrats, and all sorts of people. Even you.

 

[rainacorn]

Similarly with the Occupy movement. There is no one person who represents the entire movement. They do not have any organized leader or structure (yet). Who would issue a press release? Whose responsibility is it to speak on behalf of them?

It seems to be everyone's problem that there is no leadership, but whose fault is it? Whose fault is it that there is no unified message?

How can you represent 99% of the population when there isn't even consensus among the handful of protesters?

We've learned some important lessons from this movement- it is possible to organize people on the internet. It is possible to draw large crowds. It is possible to successfully market a movement that will appeal to younger generations.

Take those lessons and do something with it. Don't just ride this failed experiment into the sunset.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

See, this is something I definitely agree with you on, even if we have totally different views on the people in the camps, because I have the same feelings towards my people (I'm a Messianic Jew, if you didn't know that already) and I want to save them as well. I think I would be completely out of my element trying to witness to an Occupier, but you'd do much better than I.

God bless you! Let us pray together, as brother and sister, for God's presence.

 

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