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That is a a false teaching because the Word says The athers would that all will be saved. Also that takes away the option to choose. If we don't have an otion too choose then we are not doing it out of love, we are ding it because God made us. That would imply that some were created for destruction. You can say God already knew who would accept him and who would not. In that case there would no
need for Jesus to have come.
need for Jesus to have come.
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
Forest, come out from among the trees that are disrupting your understanding and see that the goodness of God extends to ALL the world. You can't deny the truth of these verses that are inspired of the Holy Spirit.
Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
Forest, come out from among the trees that are disrupting your understanding and see that the goodness of God extends to ALL the world. You can't deny the truth of these verses that are inspired of the Holy Spirit.
Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
The Same ALL IN ADAM, is The Same ALL IN CHRIST.
2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
The Same ALL IN ADAM, is The Same ALL IN CHRIST.
WHAT THAT SCRIPTURE IS SAYING IS THAT THOSE WHO COME TO GOD THROUGH CHRIST, BELONG TO GOD, THEM HAVE HE GIVEN TO HIS SON AND HE WILL NOT LOOSE ANYONE OF THEM. BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD AND BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN; ONLY MEANS THAT SIN ENTERED THE WORLD BEFORE IT GOT OFF TO A START. THEREFOR GOD HAD SET A PLAN IN MOTION TO REDEEM MANKIND.... ADAM AND EVE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE CHANCE TO HAVE KIDS YET... AND THE WORLD FELL INTO SIN. IT'S JUST LIKE A PARTY THAT STARTED AT 8 PM. YET PEOPLE DIDN'T START COMING TILL TEN.... BUT AT 9:30 THE HOST DECIDED TO END THE PARTY BEFORE IT BEGAN. SEE THE PARTY ALREADY STARTED.... BUT WITHOUT GUEST IT HAD NOT BEGUN. THIS IS THE SAME WITH THE WORLD... IT STARTED IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN... YET IT DID NOT YET BEGUN CAUSE THERE WAS NO LIFE CREATED THROUGH MAN BEFORE SIN DESTROYED IT.
I WILL PRAY THAT GOD FORGIVE YOU FOR THIS POST FOR YOU ARE TEACHING FALSE DOCTRINE AND PAUL ASKED GOD THAT ALL WHO PREACH ANOTHER DOCTRINE BE CURSED... I PRAY THE LORD WILL HAVE MERCY ON YOU AND TEACH YOU HIS TRUTH AND GIVE YOU THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT YOU MAY HEAR AND LEARN.
I WILL PRAY THAT GOD FORGIVE YOU FOR THIS POST FOR YOU ARE TEACHING FALSE DOCTRINE AND PAUL ASKED GOD THAT ALL WHO PREACH ANOTHER DOCTRINE BE CURSED... I PRAY THE LORD WILL HAVE MERCY ON YOU AND TEACH YOU HIS TRUTH AND GIVE YOU THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT YOU MAY HEAR AND LEARN.
J
This was not a good idea.
People react emotionally and blow up over this before they even begin to ask, "does what he say have any legitimacy?"
Good luck Forest.
Unless you're a universalist, you already believe in Limited Atonement, and just don't recognize it.
I will start you off with these to consider:
Matthew 26:28
John 10:11, 15
Matthew 25:32-33
John 17:9
Acts 20:28
Ephesians 5:25-27
Isaiah 53:12
People react emotionally and blow up over this before they even begin to ask, "does what he say have any legitimacy?"
Good luck Forest.
Unless you're a universalist, you already believe in Limited Atonement, and just don't recognize it.
I will start you off with these to consider:
Matthew 26:28
John 10:11, 15
Matthew 25:32-33
John 17:9
Acts 20:28
Ephesians 5:25-27
Isaiah 53:12
The saints are predestined to be saved means,that God already had the plan to give mankind salvation in the beginning,before He laid down the foundation of the world,and that salvation is to mankind in general,like the Bible says whosoever will can have that salvation,not that God picks and chooses.
The Bible says the Lamb takes away the sins of the world,which means everybody's sins can be forgiven to be saved.
Jesus lights every person that comes in this world,and the darkness does not comprehend it,which means everybody has a chance to see the light of Jesus,and whatever deception they are in,the truth of Jesus can reach them.
God said that He commands every person to repent,that means all people can be saved,and Jesus said everybody has to repent to be saved.
God said He is not willing that any person perish,but all come to repentance and be saved.
The Bible says whosoever will can drink the water of life freely and be saved.
Many are called but few are chosen,and why would God call them if they can't be chosen,and if God called them,how can they not be chosen,and God does the choosing on this earth after He calls them,not in the beginning.
God said anybody can be saved.
If a person believes the saints were chosen in the beginning,how do they escape these scriptures that says anybody can be saved,and God chooses them on earth,after He calls them,and since He calls them while on this earth,it shows that He did not choose them in the beginning.
The Bible says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,although we know it did not happen until 4000 years later,and will a person say that Jesus gave us His human body at the beginning of the world,and so it is with the saints being predestined,which God had the plan to give mankind salvation before the foundation of the world,although we know it did not happen until 4000 years later when Christ gave us His human body,and that salvation is to whoever wants that salvation.
The Bible says the Lamb takes away the sins of the world,which means everybody's sins can be forgiven to be saved.
Jesus lights every person that comes in this world,and the darkness does not comprehend it,which means everybody has a chance to see the light of Jesus,and whatever deception they are in,the truth of Jesus can reach them.
God said that He commands every person to repent,that means all people can be saved,and Jesus said everybody has to repent to be saved.
God said He is not willing that any person perish,but all come to repentance and be saved.
The Bible says whosoever will can drink the water of life freely and be saved.
Many are called but few are chosen,and why would God call them if they can't be chosen,and if God called them,how can they not be chosen,and God does the choosing on this earth after He calls them,not in the beginning.
God said anybody can be saved.
If a person believes the saints were chosen in the beginning,how do they escape these scriptures that says anybody can be saved,and God chooses them on earth,after He calls them,and since He calls them while on this earth,it shows that He did not choose them in the beginning.
The Bible says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,although we know it did not happen until 4000 years later,and will a person say that Jesus gave us His human body at the beginning of the world,and so it is with the saints being predestined,which God had the plan to give mankind salvation before the foundation of the world,although we know it did not happen until 4000 years later when Christ gave us His human body,and that salvation is to whoever wants that salvation.
This is one of those doctrines that is dangerous,for some people believe that they were not elect of God to be saved,because of problems in their life,and doubt,so they think that God did not choose them,and give up hope,or was confused about it,not every coming to the truth.
Will a person that teaches this doctrine be accountable for it,seeing it can cause some people to not be saved,and goes against the nature of God,that He is good,and goes against the Bible that God wants all people to be saved,which testifies against them that their doctrine is false,but they teach it anyway.
Will a person that teaches this doctrine be accountable for it,seeing it can cause some people to not be saved,and goes against the nature of God,that He is good,and goes against the Bible that God wants all people to be saved,which testifies against them that their doctrine is false,but they teach it anyway.
J
Which can be ANYONE, if they choose to do so. 
New International Version (NIV)
20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them.
I think, instead of trying to find little nibbles to bite off, you should be evangelizing me since you believe I worship an evil god.
Re: Jesus did die for all mankind
Dear Forest: You don't know the forest for the trees! Jesus Christ did
die for all mankind, according to 1 St. John 2:2.
See I St. John 2:1-2 ONT (Orthodox New Testament, Vol. 2), page
479:
"1. My little children, these things I write to you, in order that ye might
not sin. And if anyone should sin, we have a Paraclete with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous. 2. And He Himself is the expiation for our
sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world."
Jesus Christ is the expiation for the sins not of "the elect only", "but
also for the whole world". Calvinism denies that 1 John 2:2 is true.
Calvinism is heresy! Take care.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Dear Forest: You don't know the forest for the trees! Jesus Christ did
die for all mankind, according to 1 St. John 2:2.
See I St. John 2:1-2 ONT (Orthodox New Testament, Vol. 2), page
479:
"1. My little children, these things I write to you, in order that ye might
not sin. And if anyone should sin, we have a Paraclete with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous. 2. And He Himself is the expiation for our
sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world."
Jesus Christ is the expiation for the sins not of "the elect only", "but
also for the whole world". Calvinism denies that 1 John 2:2 is true.
Calvinism is heresy! Take care.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington