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Mark 13
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Mark 13
Things to Come
1 As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples *said to Him, “Teacher, behold [a]what wonderful stones and [b]what wonderful buildings!” 2 And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down.” 3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and [c]James and John and Andrew were questioning Him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the [d]sign when all these things are going to be fulfilled?” 5 And Jesus began to say to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 6 Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He!’ and will mislead many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be frightened; those things must take place; but that is not yet the end. 8 For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will also be famines. These things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
9 “But [e]be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the [f]courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. 10 The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. 11 When they [g]arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. 12 Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and [h]have them put to death. 13 You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
14 “But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 15 The one who is on the housetop must not go down, or go in to get anything out of his house; 16 and the one who is in the field must not turn back to get his coat. 17 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 18 But pray that it may not happen in the winter. 19 For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will. 20 Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no [i]life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [j]elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. 21 And then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is [k]the Christ’; or, ‘Behold, He is there’; do not believe him; 22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show [l]signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance.
Mark 13
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Mark 13
Things to Come
1 As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples *said to Him, “Teacher, behold [a]what wonderful stones and [b]what wonderful buildings!” 2 And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down.” 3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and [c]James and John and Andrew were questioning Him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the [d]sign when all these things are going to be fulfilled?” 5 And Jesus began to say to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 6 Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He!’ and will mislead many. 7 When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be frightened; those things must take place; but that is not yet the end. 8 For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will also be famines. These things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
9 “But [e]be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the [f]courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. 10 The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. 11 When they [g]arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. 12 Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and [h]have them put to death. 13 You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
14 “But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 15 The one who is on the housetop must not go down, or go in to get anything out of his house; 16 and the one who is in the field must not turn back to get his coat. 17 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 18 But pray that it may not happen in the winter. 19 For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will. 20 Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no [i]life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [j]elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. 21 And then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is [k]the Christ’; or, ‘Behold, He is there’; do not believe him; 22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show [l]signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance.
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If you had something decent.
Because I was hit upside the head with a bible as an Arminian, and submitted to what was revealed to me. Thus far no one has been able to adequately handle the issue.
No one can change their mind in the strictest of terms. You can't change the future, can you?
Because I was hit upside the head with a bible as an Arminian, and submitted to what was revealed to me. Thus far no one has been able to adequately handle the issue.
And if Calvinism is real, you couldn't change your own mind anyway, right? 
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ain't that the truth It's like...for real?? Who forgot John 3:16?? For God so loved THE WORLD.
And I looked up every single verse that had the word "World" and most, if not all, were used in the literal sense.
It's like...for real?? Who forgot John 3:16?? For God so loved THE WORLD. And I looked up every single verse that had the word "World" and most, if not all, were used in the literal sense.
ain't that the truth It's like...for real?? Who forgot John 3:16?? For God so loved THE WORLD.
And I looked up every single verse that had the word "World" and most, if not all, were used in the literal sense.
It's like...for real?? Who forgot John 3:16?? For God so loved THE WORLD. And I looked up every single verse that had the word "World" and most, if not all, were used in the literal sense.
In honest translation, we have to look at both internal, and external evidence to see how "kosmos" ("world") is handled, including referring to the Septuagint, intertestamental writings, Plutarch, Philo, et al.
If we look to the Scripturally based evidence alone, we find that kosmos usually does not mean "everyone, everywhere" at all, especially in application to salvation, rather, as the Thayer Greek-English Lexicon points out, it also means "any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort."
For instance, let's consider the following:
1.) ‘We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.’—1 John 5:19
Does the "whole world," that is, the "ho kosmos holos" refer to even, let's say... truly converted, true genuine believers? No, absolutely not, rather, it is in reference to a particular group of people ("any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort"), the unbelieving only.
2.) 'For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.' —John 6:33
Does "world" in this sense mean that Christ has given life to "everybody, everywhere"? No, because it's only the truly converted, true and genuine believers that have life, as shown only seven verses later (v. 40).
Likewise, John 7:7, ‘world’ refers to unbelievers. John 15:19, ‘world’ refers to everyone besides believers. 1 Corinthians 4:9, ‘world’ refers to everyone who saw the disciples. 2 Peter 2:5, ‘world’ refers to the ungodly. 1 John 3:1, ‘world’ refers to unbelievers. John 12:19, ‘world’ refers to many men, though not all men, of a certain region, that is, unless you believe everyone in and throughout the entire world truly sought after Christ, even though, the Pharisees themselves did not seek after Him.
You said, "God so loved the world...," however, you don't quite quote the entire passage in its completeness, " ...that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life." If Christ died for the entire world... everyone, everywhere would be saved, not a single person would ever perish. However, He didn't die for "everybody, everywhere," but as pointed out elsewhere, the Church (Ephesians 5:25, Acts 20:28), His Sheep (John 10:11-15), or as Revelation 5:9 points out, '...for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.’
Typically, the approach taken by non-Reformed folk focuses upon that little word, 'whosoever,' and they say, "Well see, right here it says, whosoever wills to believe can believe!" And granted, the argument might seem valid at first, it is really no more than just a bad argument, because there is no Greek counterpart/equivalent for the English term ‘whosoever,' it just simply does not exist! In fact, the author didn’t use ‘whosoever’ or any other variations of this English word anywhere in this text. Some translations say ‘whoever’ instead of the traditional ‘whosoever.’ Might I add, that even the term ‘whoever’ (Greek: ‘hos an’), which is used in Romans 10:13, was not used by the author in John 3:16 either. The term ‘whoever’ translates from the Greek ‘hos an,’ but what we have here in John 3:16 isn’t ‘hos an,’ rather, ‘pas ho pisteuoon.’ ‘Pas ho’ literally means ‘all the,’ or ‘every the.’ ‘Pisteuoon’ (a form of ‘pisteuo’) means ‘believing.’ Given that, the text actually says, ‘all the believing ones,’ not 'whosoever.' Or as the NETBible translates it, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life."
The term ‘whosoever’ is a 13th century English possessive pronoun, which the KJV uses, and never meant ‘whoever wills’ as it means in today’s modern English (‘whoever wants to come to the picnic, can come’). Rather, the term ‘whosoever’ refers to certain qualities/traits of a group, or of a certain individual. For example, ‘whoever possesses these traits will be hired’ or ‘whoever has green skin will get a free car.’ Not ‘whosoever wills to have green skin will get a free car.’
So to reiterate what I'm saying, and to sum it all up, ‘whosoever’ is only used to help in the translation of the passage in the sense of referring to certain qualities, 'whoever possesses these traits (whoever believes) will have eternal life.' Not,' whosoever wishes to believe will have eternal life.' It's the difference in saying, "whosoever has green skin, purple hair, and a blue mustache will get a new home" vs. 'whosoever wills to have green skin, purple hair, and a blue mustache will get a new home.' You can't willfully possess a trait you don't have. If you're 5 foot, and 11 inches tall, and a job requirement states, 'whosoever is 6 foot, two inches, can apply for this job,' you can't willfully grow three inches in height so that you can apply for or attain the position.
All the believing ones will have eternal life, or everyone that believes. All those that truly possess the quality/trait of faith will have eternal life. That does not mean 'whosoever wills to choose Jesus will have eternal life.'
‘I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them.’—John 17:9-10
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Have you ever read John 3:16?
John 3:15-17
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Revelation 3:20-23
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”
the LORD only reveals Himself to the humble and resists the proud Matthew 11:25 (KJV), Luke 10:21 (KJV), James 4:6 (KJV), 1 Peter 5:5 (KJV)
thus He chooses whom he will draw. John 6:44 (KJV)
salvation is a gift of God to those whom He chooses (the humble) nothing of ourselves and is not something we have earned or obtained thus salvation is not dependent on the individual. Salvation is 100% dependent on God, we don't save GOD DOES. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
God through Christ did indeed chose us from the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4 (KJV)
CONCLUSION: the LORD has foreseen / foreknew the humble which He would draw unto Himself and the proud which He would resist.
Jesus draws all men unto Himself John 12:32 (KJV) ONLY those the Father has given Him. John 6:44 (KJV) so if you take these two scripture in context the "all" is only those the Father has drawn.
thus He chooses whom he will draw. John 6:44 (KJV)
salvation is a gift of God to those whom He chooses (the humble) nothing of ourselves and is not something we have earned or obtained thus salvation is not dependent on the individual. Salvation is 100% dependent on God, we don't save GOD DOES. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
God through Christ did indeed chose us from the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4 (KJV)
CONCLUSION: the LORD has foreseen / foreknew the humble which He would draw unto Himself and the proud which He would resist.
Jesus draws all men unto Himself John 12:32 (KJV) ONLY those the Father has given Him. John 6:44 (KJV) so if you take these two scripture in context the "all" is only those the Father has drawn.
diggs, i too believe in predestination but this does not make me a calvinist.
forest, God did indeed die for everyone:
forest, God did indeed die for everyone:
- For all (1st Timothy 2:6; Isaiah 53:6).
- For every man (Heb. 2:9).
- For the world (John 3:16).
- For the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).
- For the ungodly (Rom. 5:6).
- For false teachers (2 Peter 2:1).
- For many (Matthew 20:28).
- For Israel (John 11:50-51).
- For the Church (Eph. 5:25).
- For "me" (Gal. 2:20).