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eternally-gratefull

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Israel said:
1 Corinthians 5:16-17

16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

We walk by faith and not by sight.
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Yep. And I have faith that God will destroy this heaven and Earth, and give us a new one as he promised.

And rev 23 will finally come to fruition as we start our eternity wiht our savior.

as of right now. Rev 23 is not upon us yet!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Forest said:
The church that Christ set up on earth when he was dewelling here is called by many names, the little flock, the bride, the remnant, the kingdom of God, the new Jerusalem, the church in which he presently reigns as husband and king. Mark 9:1, And he said unto them, verly I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. The last day is the end of time for the earth and all that is in it. There will be no thousand year reign because Christ is presently reigning in his kingdom which is in the world but not of the world.
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1. The subject is the future earth. Not the 1000 year kingdom. the future earth comes after all events of this present earth takes place (including the 1000 years and final battle.)
2. if there is no 1000 year Kingdom, God is a liar.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Forest said:
Matt 18:20, For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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Yep thats great, and if rev 23 said he dwelt among a few men, it would fit. but it does not, it says he dwells with all men. Nice try though
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Forest said:
May God open your eyes and ears Shroom.
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so you do not believe in an eternity future where we are ressurected, and spend eternity with Christ and God in a new heaven and earth where there is no more pain, suffering, no more tears or death?

what do we have just this life and that's it?and you speak about closed eyes??
 
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Israel

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep. And I have faith that God will destroy this heaven and Earth, and give us a new one as he promised.

And rev 23 will finally come to fruition as we start our eternity wiht our savior.

as of right now. Rev 23 is not upon us yet!
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I'm not saying that the ultimate realization of this is not future, just that for those who are now in Christ, it has already passed away. I am a new creature now, being transformed by the renewing of my mind. And though it may not appear to be that way (again we walk by faith and not by sight), I have started my eternity with my Lord.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Israel said:
I'm not saying that the ultimate realization of this is not future, just that for those who are now in Christ, it has already passed away. I am a new creature now, being transformed by the renewing of my mind. And though it may not appear to be that way (again we walk by faith and not by sight), I have started my eternity with my Lord.
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i agree with you in this facet. I am just saying the events od rev 23 have not occurred yet. That is yet future for us, and I can't wait!!
 
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prophecyman

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep thats great, and if rev 23 said he dwelt among a few men, it would fit. but it does not, it says he dwells with all men. Nice try though
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Yes! and would you like a mustard seed on your baloney sandwich?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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prophecyman said:
Yes! and would you like a mustard seed on your baloney sandwich?
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lol!!

This is why they call faith a hope in things not seen. I might not see it yet. But I am convinced I will (faith) :)
 
2knowhim

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First of all Eternally Gratefull,

Rev.23 is not future, because it doesn't exist.

Secondly, if your still referring to this:

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

how do you explain this?

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

or this?

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

 
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And also this:

Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

still don't think He's With Us?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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2knowhim said:
And also this:

Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

still don't think He's With Us?
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1. There shall be no more pain. Do you have pain??
2. there shall be no more suffering. Do you know anyone who suffers.
3. there shall be no more death. Do you see death??
4. The earth will have no more seas. Have the oceans disappeared?

Still think rev 23 is talking about today??

Why do you ignore most of the passage?? And you think you have the right to yell at us who do not ignore the rest?? Who do you think you are??



 
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eternally-gratefull

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2knowhim said:
First of all Eternally Gratefull,

Rev.23 is not future, because it doesn't exist.

Secondly, if your still referring to this:

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

how do you explain this?

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

or this?

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

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so what your saying is that there is no future for Gods people? They will not live in a new heaven and new earth? That all we have is this lifetime and that is it??
 
2knowhim

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No, that is not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that what I've said from the
beginning. That the book of Revelation is NOT literal.
It is The REVELATION of Jesus Christ.
And what He has Done, not What He is going to do.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Your convo., started with me telling me that God did not dwell with us.
I just showed you scripture that He does, Here and Now.
And you have'nt even addressed them. Why?

Of course there is a future for Gods people, but those things should be
enjoyed here and now, not one day beyond the milky way. Most people
make it sound like their just waiting to die, to Live.
And that is Sad.

But I will say this, Eternal Life is NOT, living for ever, it's not quantity,
but Quality, It is To Know HIM, and that should be a very present reality.
Every single day.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

This last verse should be enjoyed by all His people continually, have you never
experienced this? Because His appearings are many and continual, Not just Once in
the future somewhere.
 
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shroom2

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2knowhim said:
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

This last verse should be enjoyed by all His people continually, have you never
experienced this? Because His appearings are many and continual, Not just Once in
the future somewhere.
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That verse is plainly talking about "When Christ...shall appear", referring to when he returns IN THE FUTURE.
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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That's your understanding shroom,

not mine. Ask yourself one thing, how many times has He appeared
to those in scripture, and then ask, is this still going on.

Your answer has to be yes.
 
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Laodicea

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#39
#39
2knowhim said:
No, that is not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that what I've said from the
beginning. That the book of Revelation is NOT literal.
It is The REVELATION of Jesus Christ.
And what He has Done, not What He is going to do.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Your convo., started with me telling me that God did not dwell with us.
I just showed you scripture that He does, Here and Now.
And you have'nt even addressed them. Why?

Of course there is a future for Gods people, but those things should be
enjoyed here and now, not one day beyond the milky way. Most people
make it sound like their just waiting to die, to Live.
And that is Sad.

But I will say this, Eternal Life is NOT, living for ever, it's not quantity,
but Quality, It is To Know HIM, and that should be a very present reality.
Every single day.

Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

This last verse should be enjoyed by all His people continually, have you never
experienced this? Because His appearings are many and continual, Not just Once in
the future somewhere.
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Not all of Revelation is in symbols, some is literal some is symbolic, if we say that it is all is symbolic then is God symbolic or the New Jerusalem? I could go on.

Revelation 21 is literal language if a part in Revelation is symbolic then the Bible will tell us, for example Rev 13 is symbolic because if you read it the various descriptions are explained what they are in other parts of the Bible. Rev 21 does not have symbols so it is then literal. Verse 1 has not happened yet so verse 3 has not yet either.

It is true that God is with us for Jesus said that in Matt 28 but Rev 21:3 has not happened yet
 
2knowhim

2knowhim

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Lao,

God's Word is Spirit, how can we understand His Word literal?
We can't pick and choose what is Spirit and what is not, just because
we don't understand.

We are the Temple of God are we not?
How can you in turn say that His Tabernacle is not with men?

And He is our God is He not?

And if you believe these things, how can you say that Rev. 21:3 has not
happened yet?
 
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