be careful if you think you stand judgment starts in the house of God

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Joshua175

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Okay I have to say this..I can't hold it in. What does the day of atonement have to do with anything? That was a custom that God gave Israel to keep. We're no longer under the traditions of those times. What does it prove? Nothing. We're under the saving grace of Jesus Christ and they weren't, case closed.
 
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Laodicea

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Joshua175 said:
Okay I have to say this..I can't hold it in. What does the day of atonement have to do with anything? That was a custom that God gave Israel to keep. We're no longer under the traditions of those times. What does it prove? Nothing. We're under the saving grace of Jesus Christ and they weren't, case closed.
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The 7 feasts were types of what would happen in NT times. On the day of atonement they had the Lord's goat which represented Christ. It was by the blood of the Lord's goat that they were saved.
 
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Joshua175

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First of all..don't you mean the Lord's lamb? A goat is a different animal. Second, with prophecy you can know only the things which are clearly stated within scripture, everything else is an assumption. This is a clear assumption to say that some true believers will be cut off in the end times. Jesus said it clearly though Mark 13:22 "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."

Meaning it isn't possible to deceive the elect.
 
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Joshua175

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Here's the biggest problem here. What are we saved by? Works? No, scripture says clearly that's it's not by works lest any man boast. It's by grace that we are saved, By grace, through faith and that Not of Yourselves, it is a gift of God. Salvation is not of us, so why would God give us a gift and be like '"Oh no, never mind I take it back."

Romans 11:28-29 "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

John 10:28 "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

Hebrews 12:2 "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God."

Who's the Author and Finisher of our faith? Us? No, Jesus is. Case Closed. It's by God, therefore it's full proof.
 
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Joshua175

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Just to reaffirm my previous statement that the elect cannot be deceived by the anti-christ. John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me"
 
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Laodicea

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Joshua175 said:
First of all..don't you mean the Lord's lamb? A goat is a different animal. Second, with prophecy you can know only the things which are clearly stated within scripture, everything else is an assumption. This is a clear assumption to say that some true believers will be cut off in the end times. Jesus said it clearly though Mark 13:22 "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."

Meaning it isn't possible to deceive the elect.
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This thread is about judgement starting in the house of God. It is the Lord's goat not the Lord's lamb.
Leviticus 16:9
(9) And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD'S lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.

I suggest you read about the day of atonement in Leviticus 16 & 23:23-32. It tells of the cleansing of the sanctuary and anyone who did not afflict their soul were cut off. The day of atonement was a type for the NT era
 
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Joshua175

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1 peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"

It was the lamb that represented Christ not the goat. There is a goat but the lamb without blemish is the one that represents Christ.
Do you know about the Passover lamb? Sure you do. Anyone who put the blood of the lamb on their door posts were saved from death. That is the representation of Christ's blood, that Anyone who is covered will Not see death. There weren't any who had the blood of the lamb on their door that died.
 
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Joshua175

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Luke 9:56 "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."

John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
 
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The problem is that people tend to confuse correction with judgement
 
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Laodicea

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Joshua175 said:
1 peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"

It was the lamb that represented Christ not the goat. There is a goat but the lamb without blemish is the one that represents Christ.
Do you know about the Passover lamb? Sure you do. Anyone who put the blood of the lamb on their door posts were saved from death. That is the representation of Christ's blood, that Anyone who is covered will Not see death. There weren't any who had the blood of the lamb on their door that died.
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In the sacrificial system they used more than lambs, they also used Rams, Turtledoves, Goats & Bullocks. During passover it was a lamb but, on the day of atonement it was a goat.
 
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Joshua175

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Laodicea said:
In the sacrificial system they used more than lambs, they also used Rams, Turtledoves, Goats & Bullocks. During passover it was a lamb but, on the day of atonement it was a goat.
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I can look up at your post and see that that isn't what you said. You said the goat represents Christ and that is not true. I never denied that they did more than just the lamb sacrifice. I said the lamb represented Christ.
 
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Leviticus 23:26-32 Is where the Bible goes over the Day of Atonement. Then in the book of Hebrews it shows the picture of how Jesus fulfilled it.
Hebrews 9:23–28.23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence.25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to
 
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Joshua175

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Shilo said:
Leviticus 23:26-32 Is where the Bible goes over the Day of Atonement. Then in the book of Hebrews it shows the picture of how Jesus fulfilled it.
Hebrews 9:23–28.23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence.25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to
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You just proved my point by this post. Jesus died once for the forgiveness of All sin.
 
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Laodicea

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Joshua175 said:
I can look up at your post and see that that isn't what you said. You said the goat represents Christ and that is not true. I never denied that they did more than just the lamb sacrifice. I said the lamb represented Christ.
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The Lord's goat on the day of atonement was a sin offering so then it was a type of Christ. You need to understand the sanctuary system and services and what they represented.
 
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Joshua175

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Laodicea said:
The Lord's goat on the day of atonement was a sin offering so then it was a type of Christ. You need to understand the sanctuary system and services and what they represented.
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I don't assume representations. You can't be sure of anything unless it is clearly stated within scripture. It is clearly stated that Christ is the Lamb.
 
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Joshua175

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Romans 8:31-39 "What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
 
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