The Seals, Simply put

[2knowhim]

Remember, This is The Revelation of Jesus Christ, IN YOU! The Hope of Glory
It is the inworking of the Holy Spirit in each of us.

When the first seal was opened Christ the Lord rode into our earth conquering and to conquer. Under the second seal peace was taken from our earth through the conflict between flesh and spirit; the process of dethroning the natural man with the Adamic mind and nature commenced within us. At the opening of the third seal we experienced within the power of Passover and Pentecost as we began to feast on the life of the Lord and the richness of the Living Word in the power of the Holy Spirit. Through the activity of the fourth seal the old mind and nature were brought to death within our consciousness and experience through the many dealings, strippings, trials, testings, processings, and provings the Lord ordained for us. When the fifth seal is loosed we see our souls, or our soulical life, slain by the word of God and our testimony, under the altar of sacrifice, crying out for vindication and validation — travailing for the manifestation of our sonship unto creation. Then the sixth seal is broken and every outward thing we have trusted in, been associated with, and participated in is violently shaken and completely removed from our experience — our old heavens and our old earth with all they represent once and for all and forever pass away! Aren’t you glad! The hour of glory and honor is now at hand!

It should not be necessary for me to endeavor to convince any mind possessing spiritual understanding that the stage is now set for the sealing of God's sons, now to be raised up to the heights of glory, power, and dominion upon the pinnacle of the spiritual and heavenly mount Zion! This is but the natural RESULT of all that has gone before! So, my beloved, chapter seven is not by any means parenthetical — it is the expected effect, consequence, outcome, harvest, conclusion, and consummation of the breaking of the seals within ourselves, bringing forth the revelation of Jesus Christ!
This precise pattern may be observed throughout the Revelation, in the breaking of the seals, the sounding of the trumpets, and the pouring out of the vials. Each time you see what is called a “parenthesis” or an “interlude” in the Revelation, you should think instead of an outcome, consequence, or result. As you observe the events preceding the so-called parenthesis you will be able to see clearly how the events following are indeed the result or product of all that God has wrought! This is indeed a wonderful key to understanding the beautiful unfolding of God’s glorious plan and purpose in and through His called and chosen elect! How unspeakably marvelous this is!

 

[prophecyman]

You seem to base part of your interpetation on parenthesis, which is by definition...
parenthesesplural of pa·ren·the·sis (Noun)

Noun:

• A word, clause, or sentence inserted as an explanation or afterthought into a passage that is grammatically complete without it, in...
• One or both of a pair of marks () used to include such a word, clause, or sentence.

The problem with this theory is that presumtively it is assumed that such a key to understanding is based on the rules of English, and knowing that the Rev. was written in Greek and the rules of grammar are markedly different from English, it stands therefore that a serious flaw in critical interpetation has been propagated.

I compared your thesis with that of what is actually written, and I find that either someone has mislead you, or that you have assumed this on your own accord.

I am sorry, but there is no way that you can justify the twisting or wrangling of scriptures to suit yourself, let alone try and convince anyone that your speculations are correct.

I feel that in order to make your case, it would be paramount that you break it down verse by verse, word by word. But alas! It would only prove your extremist views.

Not trying to be unkind here, but I just don't agree with this interpetation.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

You seem to base part of your interpetation on parenthesis, which is by definition...
parenthesesplural of pa·ren·the·sis (Noun)

Noun:

• A word, clause, or sentence inserted as an explanation or afterthought into a passage that is grammatically complete without it, in...
• One or both of a pair of marks () used to include such a word, clause, or sentence.

The problem with this theory is that presumtively it is assumed that such a key to understanding is based on the rules of English, and knowing that the Rev. was written in Greek and the rules of grammar are markedly different from English, it stands therefore that a serious flaw in critical interpetation has been propagated.

I compared your thesis with that of what is actually written, and I find that either someone has mislead you, or that you have assumed this on your own accord.

I am sorry, but there is no way that you can justify the twisting or wrangling of scriptures to suit yourself, let alone try and convince anyone that your speculations are correct.

I feel that in order to make your case, it would be paramount that you break it down verse by verse, word by word. But alas! It would only prove your extremist views.

Not trying to be unkind here, but I just don't agree with this interpetation.

I agree with you, in part. The problem is, do you, then, try to figure
out every verse of Revelation. Revelation contains a dire warning against adding to or taking away from it. It is better not to read the book of Revelation too much. It is too difficult too much. Remember how St. Peter said there are some things in St. Paul "hard to be understood". With St. John's Apocalypse, this is doubly or triply so.
We should leave the Revelation book alone until such time as God opens it for the whole Church to read.

 

[shroom2]

It is better not to read the book of Revelation too much.

Says who?

It is too difficult too much. Remember how St. Peter said there are some things in St. Paul "hard to be understood". With St. John's Apocalypse, this is doubly or triply so.

Paul did not write Revelation.

We should leave the Revelation book alone until such time as God opens it for the whole Church to read.

Rev 1:3) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

 

[2knowhim]

You seem to base part of your interpetation on parenthesis, which is by definition...
parenthesesplural of pa·ren·the·sis (Noun)


Noun:

• A word, clause, or sentence inserted as an explanation or afterthought into a passage that is grammatically complete without it, in...
• One or both of a pair of marks () used to include such a word, clause, or sentence.

No, you misunderstood what he saying, he's speaking against the "parentheses" theory, and
indicates that there should be no break in thought.

The problem with this theory is that presumtively it is assumed that such a key to understanding is based on the rules of English, and knowing that the Rev. was written in Greek and the rules of grammar are markedly different from English, it stands therefore that a serious flaw in critical interpetation has been propagated.

I compared your thesis with that of what is actually written, and I find that either someone has mislead you, or that you have assumed this on your own accord.

No, I knew this long before I read this article, I just thought he summed it up nicely.
The book of Revelation is something that has to be lived before it can be understood, like
I said with the opening comments, it is the inworking of the Holy Spirit in our lives, by Unveiling
Jesus Christ , and transforming us into His image.

I am sorry, but there is no way that you can justify the twisting or wrangling of scriptures to suit yourself, let alone try and convince anyone that your speculations are correct.

I don't need to, those who have lived it, know it.
And those who have not yet will eventually.

I feel that in order to make your case, it would be paramount that you break it down verse by verse, word by word. But alas! It would only prove your extremist views.

Not trying to be unkind here, but I just don't agree with this interpetation.

This was an excerpt from the series called a"From the Candlestick to the Throne"
If anyone is interested in reading it, here it is.

KINGDOM BIBLE STUDIES: BREAKING THE SEALS by J. Preston Eby

 

[Crossfire]

Remember, This is The Revelation of Jesus Christ, IN YOU! The Hope of Glory
It is the inworking of the Holy Spirit in each of us.

When the first seal was opened Christ the Lord rode into our earth conquering and to conquer. Under the second seal peace was taken from our earth through the conflict between flesh and spirit; the process of dethroning the natural man with the Adamic mind and nature commenced within us. At the opening of the third seal we experienced within the power of Passover and Pentecost as we began to feast on the life of the Lord and the richness of the Living Word in the power of the Holy Spirit. Through the activity of the fourth seal the old mind and nature were brought to death within our consciousness and experience through the many dealings, strippings, trials, testings, processings, and provings the Lord ordained for us. When the fifth seal is loosed we see our souls, or our soulical life, slain by the word of God and our testimony, under the altar of sacrifice, crying out for vindication and validation — travailing for the manifestation of our sonship unto creation. Then the sixth seal is broken and every outward thing we have trusted in, been associated with, and participated in is violently shaken and completely removed from our experience — our old heavens and our old earth with all they represent once and for all and forever pass away! Aren’t you glad! The hour of glory and honor is now at hand!

It should not be necessary for me to endeavor to convince any mind possessing spiritual understanding that the stage is now set for the sealing of God's sons, now to be raised up to the heights of glory, power, and dominion upon the pinnacle of the spiritual and heavenly mount Zion! This is but the natural RESULT of all that has gone before! So, my beloved, chapter seven is not by any means parenthetical — it is the expected effect, consequence, outcome, harvest, conclusion, and consummation of the breaking of the seals within ourselves, bringing forth the revelation of Jesus Christ!
This precise pattern may be observed throughout the Revelation, in the breaking of the seals, the sounding of the trumpets, and the pouring out of the vials. Each time you see what is called a “parenthesis” or an “interlude” in the Revelation, you should think instead of an outcome, consequence, or result. As you observe the events preceding the so-called parenthesis you will be able to see clearly how the events following are indeed the result or product of all that God has wrought! This is indeed a wonderful key to understanding the beautiful unfolding of God’s glorious plan and purpose in and through His called and chosen elect! How unspeakably marvelous this is!

You may want to read what Revelation has to say concerning what happens immediately after the 7th seal is broken. It is in direct opposition to the article that you have posted.

 

[2knowhim]

Dear Crossfire,

Since I don't know exactly what your referring to, it's kinda hard to reply.

I know that there is Silence in Heaven , and then the Trumpets begin to sound.

The Silence I believe is What the bible refers to as a "Pause" or as David describes "Selah" and think about what
has taken place already. The Trumpets, I believe is still the working of The Holy Spirit
Within us, to bring us into The Image of His Son.

Maybe you could elaborate a little more on how it is in direct opposition.

Blessings

 

[Crossfire]

Dear Crossfire,

Since I don't know exactly what your referring to, it's kinda hard to reply.

I know that there is Silence in Heaven , and then the Trumpets begin to sound.

The Silence I believe is What the bible refers to as a "Pause" or as David describes "Selah" and think about what
has taken place already. The Trumpets, I believe is still the working of The Holy Spirit
Within us, to bring us into The Image of His Son.

Maybe you could elaborate a little more on how it is in direct opposition.

Blessings

I do apologize. The event that I am referring to actually occurs after the 6th seal is opened found in the 7th Chapter of Revelation thus the mix up. Then events that occur after the opening of the 6th seal correspond with the events spoken of by Jesus in the 24th Chapter of Matthew (see also Mark 13 and Luke 21) that mark the return of Christ's coming. I personally believe that the seal John is referring to is the transfiguration of the saints both Jew and Gentile.

 

[Laodicea]

Dear Crossfire,

Since I don't know exactly what your referring to, it's kinda hard to reply.

I know that there is Silence in Heaven , and then the Trumpets begin to sound.

The Silence I believe is What the bible refers to as a "Pause" or as David describes "Selah" and think about what
has taken place already. The Trumpets, I believe is still the working of The Holy Spirit
Within us, to bring us into The Image of His Son.

Maybe you could elaborate a little more on how it is in direct opposition.

Blessings

The book of revelation is not in chronological order

 

[prophecyman]

This was an excerpt from the series called a"From the Candlestick to the Throne"
If anyone is interested in reading it, here it is.

KINGDOM BIBLE STUDIES: BREAKING THE SEALS by J. Preston Eby

According to research, J. Preston Eby is a Christian universalist. He is noted for heresy according to this article by Aqua Technology, a worldwide ministry.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]THE HERESIES OF J. PRESTON EBY[/SIZE][/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1 Tim. 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Timothy identifies several things for our following discussion:[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1](1) the time of this occurrance(in the latter times or latter days before Christ's return); [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1](2) who he is talking about(some who fall away from a prior knowledge of the truth); and [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1](3) the catalyst of this activity(deceitful or false spirits).[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]A SPECIAL NOTE: WE REGULARLY RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO DISPUTE THE INFORMATION PRESENTED BELOW. THE INFORMATION PRESENTED BELOW IS AVAILABLE IN THE OPEN ETHER FOR ANYONE WHO DESIRES TO FIND THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL AND HIS VARIOUS ASSOCIATIONS AND BELIEFS.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]SUCH CRITICS OF THE OPEN TRUTH TURN A BLIND EYE TO INDIVIDUALS SUCH AS EBY WHO BELIEVE(AND STATE AS MUCH) THAT MAN CAN BECOME AS GOD(MSOG, Latter Rain and Sonship Heresies which are not taught in the Bible). [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Eby does not believe in a heaven as portrayed in the Bible - he is interested in creating a heavon on earth, much like the Reconstructionists hope to do. THE MSOG AND Reconstructionists have far more in common than is commonly recognized. He states in his writings that there is no Second Coming of Christ, that Bible Study is wrong..and the list goes on.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We are told in Timothy 3:16 that scripture is given for "correction" and "reproof" as well as "doctrine". We quote scripture below which clearly contradicts Eby's theology. It is not "un-Christian" to correct one who is in conflict with clear bible teaching. It is a command that we are to follow which is clearly different from saying that someone is a "fool", or "cheater" or worse. When we put on the whole armor of God, it is not only to protect us from Satanic influences but also to protect ourselves from those who profess to be Christian but have found "another gospel" and are promoting it to the unsuspecting world. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For those who do not believe that Eby is involved in the MSOG and Latter Rain heresies(which were rejected by the Assemblies of God liberal congregations many years ago) only need to research these two topics anywhere on the Internet to find what we have stated below is true and opposed to clear bible teaching on the end times and how man's relationship to God is to be understood prior to and following the Second Return of Jesus Christ.[/FONT][/SIZE]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]J Preston Eby said:[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]"In 1948 -- the very year that Israel became a nation -- another great deluge fell from heaven, a mighty revival then called the 'Latter Rain.' In this Restoration Revival God did a work which far transcended the work started in the Pentecostal outpouring of more than 40 years before. All nine gifts of the Spirit, the five-fold ministries of apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers, spiritual praise and worship, and the end time revelation of God's purpose to manifest his sons, a glorious church, to bring in the kingdom of God, all of this and much more was restored among God's people." ([/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The Battle of Armageddon, Part IV, J. Preston Eby, Kingdom Bible Studies, September 1976, pg. 10; quoted in Richard M. Riss, "The Latter Rain Movement of 1948 and the Mid-Twentieth Century Evangelical Awakening", pg. 197, April 1979.) [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]And, for those who read this memorandum who do not believe that Eby teaches the heresy that man in this world cannot become as God and perform tasks relegated to Christ alone need to read this:[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1](the Latter Rain movement is) " a people, being prepared for the coming THIRD OUTPOURING which shall finally bring the FULLNESS, a company of overcoming sons of God who have come to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ to actually dethrone Satan, casting him out of the heavenlies, and finally binding him in the earthlies, bringing the hope of deliverance and life to all the families of the earth. This third great work of the Spirit shall usher a people into full redemption--free from the curse, sin, sickness, death and carnality." J. Preston Eby - as quoted in Latter Rain by Richard Riss, (Mississauga, Ont:Honeycomb Visual Productions), 1987, pp. 80-81[/SIZE]

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]This is not only heresy - but blasphemy as well - taking on the unique tasks of Christ and performing them by way of "later day apostles and prophets" who are presumed equivalent to Christ Himself![/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Some background on J. Preston Eby [/SIZE][/FONT]​

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]J. Preston Eby was born into a Mennonite family in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. While still a toddler, he claims his parents received the "baptism in the Holy Spirit" through the witness of some Pentecostal followers in the area. Eby does not indicate that his parents accepted Christ as Saviour but presumably were "baptised in the spirit" simply by the "laying on of hands" as is the practice of the Pentacostal church. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]In his twelfth year Eby claims he was filled with the Spirit – again, without any statement of faith. He further claims that in that same year the Holy Spirit sovereignly unfolded to his understanding the truth of "the reconciliation of all things" and "all men unto God" . [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Interestingly, no one else around him, including his parents who supposedly had who received the same "spirit"– embraced this revelation; they were unable to understand or deal with this information. If such revelations were indeed from God, one would think no such problem should have existed. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Through those early years Eby kept this so-called "truth" to himself. Later he came into contact with a group known as the "Latter Rain" which had been expelled as heresy from the Pentacostal movement just prior to 1950. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The Latter Rain was a precursor to the current Charismatic movement with emphasis on the body of Christ, gifts of the Spirit, laying on of hands, impartation, five-fold ministry, prophetic ministry, spiritual worship, the kingdom of God, and going on to perfection, unto fullness of sonship to God, and the Manifest Sons of God(MSOG) heresy.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Many people today claim they have the divine authority and ability to "impart" the Holy Spirit, ministry gifts and callings into people's lives. Are they right? Can people bestow the Holy Spirit into another believer's life or is that an act that God initiates? Can people become prophets via impartation? Where did this belief and practice come from and who are the people making these claims? What sort of "manifestations" come by way of these impartations or spiritual experiences?[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Critics of this article simply don't connect the dots between "manifestations" which come by way of the "impartations" which are part and parcel of the MSOG and Latter Rain heresies that Eby subtly promotes in his writings. [/SIZE][/FONT]​

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Eby claims The Lord pressed him into a deeper understanding of "sonship"(MSOG Theology) and the kingdom of God, already planted within him as a seed through the "visitation of the Lord" as Latter Rain. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Along the way he became associated with Gerald Derstine and The Gospel Crusade in Sarasota, Florida, serving as an associate minister with him for eight years, first co-pastoring and later pastoring the Revival Tabernacle in that city.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Eby fails to tell about the details of his association with Gerald Derstine's fraudulent "ministry" where for [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]seven years Derstine and his ministerial staff(including Eby) duped his followers with sensational accounts of miracles, mass conversions and subsequent martyrdoms among Arab Muslims in Israel and the West Bank. Eby's supporters have no comeback for this period in his background.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Together with Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcast network, Derstine's supporters were solicited to contribute almost $3 million in one year alone, including $500,000 for the "First Church of the Martyrs," a structure which they claimed was a shelter for the widows and children of some 35 new believers violently killed for leaving Islam.(reference: Sara Diamond, Spiritual Warfare: The Politics of the Christian Right (Boston, MA: South End Press, 1989). [/SIZE][/FONT]​

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Derstine's regional ministry leader now acknowledges that there were no such martyrs and no sincere Muslim converts associated with the ministry. The reports were all fabricated. [/FONT][/SIZE]​

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In one pamphlet published by Gospel Crusade, Mohammed Rawidan, the ministry's first "convert" claimed that the body of a martyred infant turned into dust in his hands, and then into a large, white bird, which flew to heaven. A copy of the infant's death certificate showed she had died from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and was buried normally.[/FONT][/SIZE]​

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the light of these and other fraudulent revelations, Gospel Crusade suspended two top officials and withdrew from circulation literature, videotapes and the religious best-seller, "Fire Over Israel." [/FONT][/SIZE]​

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Evangelical leaders in Israel repeatedly warned Derstine that the reports were false, but [/FONT][/SIZE][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Derstine said he published the reports [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]"without any inkling it was (all) a lie." [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to Phil Derstine, son of the founder and Gospel Crusade president, an "accountability procedure" is being put into place. But Gerald Derstine still claims that spiritual discernment, not intellectual discernment is the qualification for judging his ministry. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Not to be able to discern, in seven years, that the accounts of these miracles were indeed false, is not a sign of a Christian walk or conversion; God gives the true Christian spiritual discernment to be able to rightly divide the word as well as clearly identify falsehoods and misleading doctrine. To continue in such a deluded condition is indeed an indication that the ministry in question is not on track with bible doctrine.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Eby of course fails to mention any of this in his "testimony" and ministerial background writeups.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]For Eby, if he claimed such "spiritual discernment"( 1 Corinthians 12:8-11), if and when he received the Holy Spirit as he claimed, it is strange that God would have led him into a fraudulent minstry such as Gospel Crusade---and for eight(8) years at that![/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Conclusion: Eby's "conversion" and reception of "the spirit", including spiritual discernment, were likely paranormal and received from a source other than God.[/SIZE][/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]We are told to:[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]"...believe not every spirt, but test(try) the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Eby obviously did not do any checking up or testing the spirit of Gospel Crusade. God is not the author of confusion and is not in the business of misleading individuals who are sincere in their desire to serve Him. Eby obviously was not communicating with God.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In 1976 Eby went into a full-time writing ministry directed to those who he claims are "called and chosen as "elect of God" to grow up into the full stature of Jesus Christ as sons of God". This is the Manifest Sons of God(MSOG) heresy which is spreading rapidly throughout much of the Charismatic movement, including the late John Wimbler's Vineyard church. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The anti-semitic MSOG movement that Eby claims to govern his ministry incorrectly and boldly appropriates the title "elect" from that of the remnant of Israel described during the Tribulation's Time of Jacob's Trouble, and applies it to themselves in true Replacement Theology fashion.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Eby's writing ministry includes a monthly message titled KINGDOM BIBLE STUDIES as well as a number of booklets on various subjects. We discuss this subject below.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]AN OVERVIEW OF THE FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD WAVE[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The reason we review Eby's writings here is to alert the public to his multiple deviations from orthodox Christian teachings. Again and again, he relies on special revelations(from God, he presumes) regarding a wide range of subjects, including the establishment of the prideful and man-oriented Kingdom Now or Dominionism theologies which are infecting many mainstream Protestant and Evangelical churches.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The Latter Rain or First Wave movement of the late 40's that grabbed Eby and that has held him spiritually captive these many years had given birth to numerous other sub-teachings. The Manifest Sons of God(MSOG) was divided into two major sects. The Walk, and the Body of Christ. The Walk came out of the Latter Rain Movement under the “apostleship” of John Robert Stevens.[/SIZE][/FONT]​

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[2knowhim]

I do apologize. The event that I am referring to actually occurs after the 6th seal is opened found in the 7th Chapter of Revelation thus the mix up. Then events that occur after the opening of the 6th seal correspond with the events spoken of by Jesus in the 24th Chapter of Matthew (see also Mark 13 and Luke 21) that mark the return of Christ's coming. I personally believe that the seal John is referring to is the transfiguration of the saints both Jew and Gentile.

Ok, Yes I see what your saying, but I ask you something, how many comings or appearings have
there been of Christ to His people?

math, mark, and luke, are very similar ideed, why?
Because His coming was to Israel the nation at that time.

Why would His mode of operation be any different to the rest of those
in His body. The Gospel was not given to the Gentiles yet.

He changes not.

And just want to go on record as to say the only reason I posted from Eby was
because there was so much said recently about the Seals of rev.
I fully back him on this part, as far as everything he believes I can't say that I do.


Blessings

 

[2knowhim]

Prophecyman,

As far as Eby's background I do not know, or do I care to know.
That would be like me pulling up old stuff on you, would you like that?

I listen to the spirit that comes from the words spoken, that is what I judge.

All I hear from you is the Voice of The Accuser.

If my understanding of the Seals of Rev. are the same as his, that is all it is.
I don't agree, or follow the man, I don't know the man, nor do I care too. (after the flesh)
There are alot of the same views we share Yes, such as the Salvation of All,
The manifested Sons of God, you bet ya. With one exception, Sons is plural in the text,
But Singular in the definition.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons (Son) of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons (Son) of God.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

[prophecyman]

Prophecyman,

As far as Eby's background I do not know, or do I care to know.
That would be like me pulling up old stuff on you, would you like that?

I listen to the spirit that comes from the words spoken, that is what I judge.

All I hear from you is the Voice of The Accuser.

If my understanding of the Seals of Rev. are the same as his, that is all it is.
I don't agree, or follow the man, I don't know the man, nor do I care too. (after the flesh)
There are alot of the same views we share Yes, such as the Salvation of All,
The manifested Sons of God, you bet ya. With one exception, Sons is plural in the text,
But Singular in the definition.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons (Son) of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons (Son) of God.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Quote:"All I hear from you is the voice of the accuser"

No, I simply refute false doctrine, and regardless how much you say that you don't care to know Eby, yet you are in agreement with him. This does not mean that you have heard from the Spirit because what he said ties in nicely with what you believe. Sorry, but that form of reasoning is an error all by itself.

How you render the seals is dubious and the worst mangling and wresting of scripture that I ever encountered. I declare that you are promoting heresy of the worst sort, and I stand ready to refute your reasoning by the Word of the living God.

BTW... It was the Pharisees that accused Jesus of being a devil for the things that he said, hmmm I must be on the right track when someone says that I speak in the voice of the Devil.

 

[Dude653]

I LIKE SEALS...they way they clap and make noises

 

[Brad_Watson_Miam]

The "7 Seals" revealed as 'beyond Einstein theories'

"The first time Jesus came, He did so as a Lamb. But the second time He will come as a Lion - as One in charge, in authority." - p 63 (re: Rev 5:1-) - You Can Understand the Book of Revelation by Skip Heitzeg (Harvest House, 2011)

BEYOND EINSTEIN THEORIES ​

At age 76, Albert Einstein had an aneurism which began to burst and was taken to the hospital on April 14*, 1955. While hospitalized, he wrote 12 pages of calculations in a last attempt to discover the unified field theory: an attempt to bring together in one "Theory of Everything" all the forces of nature. Einstein had been working on it since he published his Theory of General Relativity 40 years before. Today's particle physicists propose several theories as being this TOE with string theory: M-theory, Supergravity theory, and superstring theory being the leading candidates. Seal #3: Unified Strings (U21S19) Theory is the Big TOE! Yet, it falls under the 'umbrella' of Seal #2: Plan-it theory of GOD=7_4 or FOD=6_4.

Einstein did not discover the Big Bang Theory, although the equations of his General Relativity certainly allow for it. Einstein's philosophy restricted him to thinking about this universe as being eternal. Therefore, any hypothesis/ theory that delves into the Big Bang and what preceeded the beginning of this universe and what succeeds the end of this universe is 'beyond Einstein', i.e. Seal #1: The Conglomerate of Non-Parallel Universes Theory and Seal #6: Conglomeratal Energy eternal/ Conglomeratal Relationships eternal Theories.

Recently, we've seen proof that the mass-less neutrinos travel slightly faster-than-light. Any faster-than-light theory is 'beyond Einstein' and Seal #5: Speed & Power of Thought Theory proves that "thought can be superluminal and defy strict linear time". Thought is also mass-less and, therefore, not subject to special relativity/general relativity.

I attended the '04 Einstein Conference at the Aspen Institute where four or five different presenters - including AI Director Walter Isaacson and a Nobel Prize winning physicist - compared Albert Einstein to Benjamin Franklin (who believed in the transmigration of the soul). Franklin's eternal soul returned as Abraham Lincoln (*shot on April 14) who returned as Einstein. Whether one wants to accept this or not, Einstein is now the key74 to whether reincarnation is true! Either Einstein doesn't return and that proves reincarnation is false, or Einstein returns and produces Seal #7: Reincarnation Theory & its 21 Principles. Seal #4: S=19 Theory (18.6 algorithm/fractal) is hardly 'beyond Einstein', since it's an observence of a very simple repetitive pattern of the #19 or 18.6 throughout nature and global culture. However, chaos theory (Lorentz 1961) and fractals (Mendelbrot 1975) weren't discovered until after Einstein's death in 1955, making S=19 Theory and perhaps technically anything discovered after April 18, 1955 as being considered 'beyond Einstein'.

"To unlock the scroll (of Revelation 5:1-10:10), the angel must find someone that's worthy." "The breaking of the '7 seals'." "4 Horseman of the Apocalypse." "In the Book of Revelation, Jesus will come again and do the job right the 2nd time." "Jesus (upon his return) is now a warrior king, he is wielding God's Word and has a sword in his mouth."
- History Channel, God vs. Satan ​

INTRODUCTION ​

I first made some big scientific-religious discoveries and self-published a booklet detailing them in 1997. I thought that it was so important that on February 27, 1998, I hand-delivered a copy to the White House East Gate Guardhouse (it was Chelsea Clinton's Birthday). After returning home, I sold a few copies and gave some away, and then put in on the shelf and forgot about it. Then 9/11/01 happened! In the drumbeat to war with Saddam Hussein that followed, I realized that George Walker Bush Jr. was lying about the reasons for the War In Iraq. Besides those interested in the oil that they had been unable to profit from, the Christian fundamentalists saw it as the "destruction of Babylon" prophesied in The Revelation Chapters 14, 16, 17, & 18. In other words, many Christian leaders saw this war as an opportunity to help the Christ to return! On Sun. June 15, 2003, there was even a 60 Minutes segment on this including an interview with Jerry Falwell, "Now all the signs of The Revelation have taken place – Christ will reappear!"

I reread the Bible's last book and realized that the "book/scroll" referred to in Rev 5:1-10:10 was my booklet! Wow!! I've always had a close relationship with God/nature where things happen in direct response to my thoughts and actions. (I'm willing to prove this to any scientist, religious leader, or government leader.) I dusted off my booklet and began tweaking it so as to have the "7 seals" - 'beyond Einstein theories' - on the cover. In January 2003, I had the "book/scroll" 'ready' and called the White House (202-456-1414) on ~Feb. 1 and told the receptionist, "I need to speak to a Secret Service Agent regarding a matter of great national and international importance!" Eventually, an agent came on the line. "Hello, Special Agent. I’m Brad Watson from Miami, FL and I've produced the 'book/scroll' referred to in The Revelation 5:1-10:10 with the '7 seals' on the cover. I'm coming to Washington DC in two weeks to distribute some copies of it to the President, Vice President, maybe some members of Congress, some DC religious leaders, and some university professors. When I get there, it will snow alot!" (I figured I'd put God on the spot since I was hanging my bols out there. Every weatherman will tell you that you can’t predict the weather two weeks in advance – too much chaos theory feedback.) The SA asked me for my flight info and hotel reservations.

When I arrived at Ronald(6 letters) Wilson(6) Reagan(6) National Airport on Friday February 14 (Valentine's Day), 2003, I was immediately greeted by three representatives from the US State Department including the Chief of Diplomatic Security – Chuck Hunter (I still have his card). I gave them a copy of the booklet and told them I would be tweaking it while in DC and would also give them an updated copy before leaving. I then informed them, "It's going to snow alot while I'm here." It started snowing the next day and didn't stop! It was such a blizzard that President's Day Weekend that practically everything had to be closed – including Mt. Vernon. Even Bush Jr. had to make a long, miserable drive back from Camp David.

I've tweaked the booklet quite a bit since and even formally presented three of the 'beyond Einstein scientific theories' in a poster entitled Identifying ‘True Earth-like Planets’ – All New Worlds Are Built On 7_4 (like Earth) Or 6_4 at the NASA Conference Missions for Exoplanets 2010-2020 held in Pasadena, CA on April 21-23, 2009, http://exep.jpl.nasa.gov/exep_exoMtgPosters.cfm

Note: I wrote this on Microsoft Word using alot of superscripts, subscripts, and multiple-spaces that don't transfer well to this post.

This is the Thursday Dec. 22, 2011 14:58 tweaked version of the cover of the "book/scroll" referred to in The Revelation 5:1-10:10. These 'beyond Einstein theories' are the "7 seals" revealed. The Title Page also includes artwork not found here of the solar eclipse meeting the lunar eclipse, forming a vesica pieces, and 7 + 4 stars w/ Venus in transit against a scroll in the clouds74/heavens74. The "7 seals" are known as follows:


#1 The Conglomerate of Non-Parallel Universes Theory
#2 Plan-it Theory of GOD=7_4 or FOD=6_4
#3 Unified Strings (U21S19) Theory
#4 S=19 Theory (18.6 algorithm/fractal)
#5 Speed & Power of Thought Theory
#6 Conglomeratal Energy eternal/Conglomeratal Relationships eternal Theories & Theory of Renativity
#7 Reincarnation Theory & its 21 Principles

There Are No Coincidences (Coin4c1dences7)​

There is synchronism. Everything evolves by laws of nature, is (w)holē40 and mathematically interwoven. All things are related, some more closely than others. Everything that happens affects everything else. Every†hing has meaning in the ‘Grand Scheme’ of God/Fod’s universes. Anytime an idea19* is connect59/74ed to natur74e, it’s not only logical59 – it was inevitable, i.e.
sacred geometry and gematria74… ​

The Big Bang (supermassive white hole) 13.75 billion years ago was the result of a supermassive black hole in another universe. This duality combines these two singularities in a birth-life-death-rebirth relationship within The Conglomerate of non-parallel universes. This 'simple' cause-and-effect explains both infinite space and infinite time (eternity). Self-replication is the simplest design58 for everything from a cell to a universe to a mind.​

GOD(3)=7_4 ... god=good=gooooooood=G-d=7_4, 7/4=July 4th or 7 April
Simple(6)74 English(7)74 Gematria(8)74 - the key74: A=1...Z=26
Royal Cubits74 = 7 palms x 4 fingers,
Standard Cubits = 6p•4f = 17.76”. FIG = 6/7
Jesus74 born 4/17/6 BC or 17/4/748 AUC,
on Cross74 7/4/783 30 AD​

FOD(3)=6_4 ... fod=food=fooooooood=F-d=6_4
Genesis 6:4 "Nefilem64", Juan46 1:1 - Fod is
The Creator/Founder of ‘Planet Nestor’
Venus .7 AU & Mercury .4 AU, lunar phases 7.4 days, etc. Nestor’s inner planets at .6 & .4 AU, lunar phases 6.4 days, etc., hence F6od4. Rev 21:1
Exoplanet Exploration Program Identifying 'True Earth-like Planets'
- All New Worlds Are Built On 7_4 (like Earth) Or 6_4​

Unified Strings Theory
3D rs + 7D hs + 7a rt + 4a ht = 21 dimensions/ aspects of spacetime
(time47 analysis provides symmetry)​

Nestor’s U21S19 theory
3D rs + 6D hs + 6a rt + 4a ht = 19D/a st
(incomplete, yet engineerable + Einstein's separability principle)
(unified [U}, strings, dimensions [D], regular space [rs], hyperspace [hs], aspects [a], regular time [rt], hypertime [ht], spacetime [st])​

Metonic cycle = 19 tropical years = 6,940 days = 235 synodic months = 254 sidereal months. Eclipse series = 19 eclipse y = 223 syn. mo. Two58 eclipse seasons are 18.6 days shy of a year. Nutation: Moon’s 18.6 y cycle (US coastlines mapped every 18.6 y). Earth orbits Sun at 18.6 mps w/ orbital dia. of 186,000,000 miles. Speed of light=186,282 mps. A black hole of one19 solar mass will have a Schwarzchild radius of 1.86 miles. Bhagvad(7) Gita(4) 18:6 & 18:62-3 (Mahabharata74). Hebrew cal.58’s 19 y cycle, A1d4a1m13, Eve (Heb.)=19, S19 (Symbol, Shape, Start, She, Serpent/Snake/Satan, Smart, Sex, Sin, Seven Seals). Jesus’ 18._ ‘lost years’, 12 male + 7 female disciples (12/7), Cana19, Mt 19:19, Josephus’ Jewish74 Antiquities 18.63 re: Y'shua74, Messiah74, & Christ77ians. Knights Templar 1119. ~18.6 y after Ben Franklin died on 4/17/1790 - Abe Lincoln born (2/12/1790 BF’s Anti-Slavery Bill), Antietam 1862.71, 1863: slaves freed, IN GOD WE TRUST on US coins, Civil War 'won' 7/4/1863 (1863.51, 18:63:51 ≈ 7:04 pm), Thanksgiving, Lady(4) Freedom(7) on Capitol(7) Dome(4). White House complex: 18.5 acres/7.4 hectares, 19 WH 18'6" Xmas Trees. Great Seal's 19 orbs. Smithsonian has 19 museums. Average American adult weighs 185 lbs. Theodore Roosevelt died in 1919. Albert58 Einstein 1919: divorced & married, relativity proven during eclipse, received Kaluza’s 5 dimension theory, met w/ Zion64ists. 1,863 y between destruction of Herod’s Temple & Hitler 1933. AI doubles capacity every 18._ months. DNA19, *idea19, egg19. Space Shuttle Columbia’s cabin began beaking up at 18.6 mach. 19 Shuttle 'rollbacks'. Flight 19 7:04 pm (Chalk's Seaplane [est. 1919] crashed58 off Watson Island: 19 bodies initial74ly found), Flight 191 » 1 World Trade Center186 186 ft wide » 19 9/11 hijackers » “Over Hellfire are 19 angels” – Qur’an 74:30, Qur'an endcoded #19, Q 19:19. Golf’s R&A19 & 19th Hole. QB19. PC19. FL18/FLA19, 7/4=185th/186th day. Bahai's 19 days. 186 countries in IMF. 19th Amendment. Sputnik ~185 lbs, Apollo 18 & Soyuz 19 docked in orbit, adulthood: 18.5 years, 18-wheelers + spare. 19th Dynasty & Moses. Jah19. Do19. FM19. Dan19. Lg19. Cop19. Neo19. I was 19 when my father58 had his stroke.​

Neutrinos aren't the fas†es† thing in The Conglomerate, †hough† can be superluminal and defy strict linear †ime. Dark energy74, gamma rays, quasars, antimatter, negative energy, helium 3, etc. aren't the most energetic things in the u(i), God's thought is.​

Y h w/ h64? ... thought = h2c² ... new thought = t²h2up ​

G7od4 = †he33 1 Mind40 = universal quantum computer = ​

12t h(i) u(i) p(i)​

(universes [u}, infinite [i}, hydrogen [h], speed of light [c], time [t], pain/pleasure [p])​

E=mc² ... Conglomeratal Energy eternal = light² x mass of infinite universes​

CEe = God = 2 Christmases ... God = CEe = mass x infinite Christs​

CEe = 5mass ×/+ 8time = 40/13masstime ... God = 40/13mt​

Conglomeratal Energies eternal = infinite universes × 10 senses × 6 mass × 9 time
gods(e) = 6m u(i) 10s 9t ​

Reincarna†ion †heory & its 21 Principles includes 10 ways to track a soul + scientific laws of energy, information, & consciousness can’t be destroyed, only transferred. Life (like all matter & energy) is both waves & particles. Natural selection/"survival of the fittest" assure that human souls that help the global system will return as human.​

Luck 100 = karma 4 + modesty 1 × [desire 4 + actions 4 + ability 4 + contribution 4 + blessings 4]​

George Washington → Robert E. Lee → Eisenhower, ​

FDR → Obama, Abigail Adams → Mary Lincoln → Marilyn Monroe → Janet Jackson58/73, ​

Bernard de Clairvaux → Leonardo Fibonacci → Leonardo da Vinci → Galileo → Ben21 Franklin → Lincoln → Einstein → ​

Richard ‘Brad’shaw Wa†son77 II​

“You are to contemplate the intellectual faculties and to trace them in their development through the paths of nature and science58 even to the throne of G7od4 Himself.” – Masonic(7)74 oath(4)44 ​

t 1/20/09 Obama’s oath botched t 1/9/10 Eureka quake t 12/21/10 lunar eclipse on solstice t 3/23/11 Jerusalem t 4/27 tornadoes t 5/25 Oprah t 5/29 Indy
t 8/5 SEALs t 9/11 t 12/22 Mt 12:22​

 

[shroom2]

I attended the '04 Einstein Conference at the Aspen Institute where four or five different presenters - including AI Director Walter Isaacson and a Nobel Prize winning physicist - compared Albert Einstein to Benjamin Franklin (who believed in the transmigration of the soul). Franklin's eternal soul returned as Abraham Lincoln (*shot on April 14) who returned as Einstein. Whether one wants to accept this or not, Einstein is now the key74 to whether reincarnation is true! Either Einstein doesn't return and that proves reincarnation is false, or Einstein returns and produces Seal #7: Reincarnation Theory & its 21 Principles. Seal #4: S=19 Theory (18.6 algorithm/fractal) is hardly 'beyond Einstein', since it's an observence of a very simple repetitive pattern of the #19 or 18.6 throughout nature and global culture. However, chaos theory (Lorentz 1961) and fractals (Mendelbrot 1975) weren't discovered until after Einstein's death in 1955, making S=19 Theory and perhaps technically anything discovered after April 18, 1955 as being considered 'beyond Einstein'.

Good grief.

 

[gotime]

I agree with you, in part. The problem is, do you, then, try to figure
out every verse of Revelation. Revelation contains a dire warning against adding to or taking away from it. It is better not to read the book of Revelation too much. It is too difficult too much. Remember how St. Peter said there are some things in St. Paul "hard to be understood". With St. John's Apocalypse, this is doubly or triply so.
We should leave the Revelation book alone until such time as God opens it for the whole Church to read.

The very title means it is revealed. not some secret hard to understand thing. Revelation is not difficult if you have a knowledge of the sanctuary and its services in the old testament. also on top of that Revelation is made up of mostly quotes from the old testament.

It is not some secret thing. it is open for all who are willing to seek for it. let the scriptures guide from the old testament then you will see that Revelation is actually exactly that. A Revelation/revealing.

And yet the interpretation given in this post is not taken from the text but rather red into it. let the bible speak for itself. after all it was written by men who were led by the Holy Spirit.

Blessings

 

[Crossfire]

Ok, Yes I see what your saying, but I ask you something, how many comings or appearings have
there been of Christ to His people?

math, mark, and luke, are very similar ideed, why?
Because His coming was to Israel the nation at that time.

Why would His mode of operation be any different to the rest of those
in His body. The Gospel was not given to the Gentiles yet.

He changes not.

And just want to go on record as to say the only reason I posted from Eby was
because there was so much said recently about the Seals of rev.
I fully back him on this part, as far as everything he believes I can't say that I do.


Blessings

Most like to believe that events Christ refers to in the Olivet discourse are past tense however, if you read closely their are differences in the Matthew 24 / Mark 13 account and the Luke 21 account.

In the Luke account Jesus is plainly referring to the events of 70 AD when Jerusalem is captured by the gentiles. However, Christ then goes into detail about how His return will be after the time of the gentiles is complete and the signs of his coming which correspond with certain details revealed in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and also Revelation 6.

Everyone should read all three versions of the Olivet discourse very closely and note the subtle but distinct differences, namely the timeline that is mentioned. Just because certain events given in Luke 21 were fulfilled in 70 ad, does not mean simular events mentioned were fulfilled mentioned in Matthew 24 / Mark 13. The 'abomination of desolation' did not occur in 70 ad. Yes the temple was destroyed however, the Abomination itself did not occur.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Most like to believe that events Christ refers to in the Olivet discourse are past tense however, if you read closely their are differences in the Matthew 24 / Mark 13 account and the Luke 21 account.

In the Luke account Jesus is plainly referring to the events of 70 AD when Jerusalem is captured by the gentiles. However, Christ then goes into detail about how His return will be after the time of the gentiles is complete and the signs of his coming which correspond with certain details revealed in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and also Revelation 6.

Everyone should read all three versions of the Olivet discourse very closely and note the subtle but distinct differences, namely the timeline that is mentioned. Just because certain events given in Luke 21 were fulfilled in 70 ad, does not mean simular events mentioned were fulfilled mentioned in Matthew 24 / Mark 13. The 'abomination of desolation' did not occur in 70 ad. Yes the temple was destroyed however, the Abomination itself did not occur.

This is what happens when people take prophesy in symbolic form, and not literally.

God uses symbolic forms which we can understand (or at least those writing or speaking prophesy) litersl things which will happen.

Prophesy is one of the things which makes God god, and proves his is the one and true God. Prophesy speaks of future events. If it is a past even, it is not prophesy, but an explaining of what happened. Prophesy also must be seen. If it can not be seen, it can not be coaberated as being fulfilled.

Daniels prophesies (for the most part) was fulfilled literally as they were said they were going to happen. Many of his prophesies (and many other OT prophesies) have not yet been fulfilled. So people have two choices.

1. Spiritualise them and make them fulfilled, which would be dangerous, because it calls God as liar.
2. make them as of yet unfulfilled, and yet future.

imagine the glory we have today as being eyewitnesses to the possibility of prophesy being fulfilled.,

Jesus said that during the time after the abomination. Mankind would have the ability to kill itself off. Until the last 1000 years. this could not even be fathomable.

OT and even paul speaks of the return of Israel to her land. Again until the last 100 years. people had to walk on faith alone this would happen. yet today we see it (although not even close to being fulfilled) the possibility of it coming true.

Why people can still not look at it. and interpret it literally is beyond me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Remember, This is The Revelation of Jesus Christ, IN YOU! The Hope of Glory
It is the inworking of the Holy Spirit in each of us.

When the first seal was opened Christ the Lord rode into our earth conquering and to conquer.

Who has the Lord conquered? Evil still reigns, and nations still cause war, and evils of war. There was no conquering by anyone.

Under the second seal peace was taken from our earth through the conflict between flesh and spirit; the process of dethroning the natural man with the Adamic mind and nature commenced within us.

There was never peace. God did not take peace from us, we never had it. this makes no sense whatsoever. If anything. Scripture says God gives us peace, he does not take it away

At the opening of the third seal we experienced within the power of Passover and Pentecost as we began to feast on the life of the Lord and the richness of the Living Word in the power of the Holy Spirit.

The 4th seal is the opposite. The angel creates a famine. He does not feed us. Are you telling me you really believe this crap?? This defenition grossly contradicts the seal itself and what it will do

hrough the activity of the fourth seal the old mind and nature were brought to death within our consciousness and experience through the many dealings, strippings, trials, testings, processings, and provings the Lord ordained for us.

Um the 4th seal is said that 1/4 of the earth is killed. This does not even come close to explaining it. Have you even read the seals??

When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

When the fifth seal is loosed we see our souls, or our soulical life, slain by the word of God and our testimony, under the altar of sacrifice, crying out for vindication and validation — travailing for the manifestation of our sonship unto creation.

Um this seal talks about souls who were slain. Not our soul slain by the word. but slain BECAUSE of the word! It says they are crying out to god and asking him when he will avenge our deaths.. You gotta be kidding me that you would think this man's translation is even close to truth!

9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

Then the sixth seal is broken and every outward thing we have trusted in, been associated with, and participated in is violently shaken and completely removed from our experience — our old heavens and our old earth with all they represent once and for all and forever pass away! Aren’t you glad! The hour of glory and honor is now at hand!

WHAT???????????????
12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold,[e] there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon[f] became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,[g] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

This talks about the begining of the wrath to come. what about the seventh seal and and other judgments

Wow. some people :-S