Two errors about the Ever-Virgin Mary
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well error number one about mary is the claim that she was 'ever virgin'
like i said in the other thread...i don't understand why people who wish to honor mary would -insult- her by claiming that she sexually neglected her husband and disobeyed the scriptural teaching on sexuality within marriage...
like i said in the other thread...i don't understand why people who wish to honor mary would -insult- her by claiming that she sexually neglected her husband and disobeyed the scriptural teaching on sexuality within marriage...
M
Not to mention that Jesus HAD BROTHERS. If He had brother, Mary had to have born other children, which MEANS..... yeah...she had SEX!!
Matthew 12:46
[ Changed Relationships ] While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him.
Mark 3:31
Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him.
Luke 8:19
And His mother and brothers came to Him, and they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd.
John 2:12
After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother and His brothers and His disciples; and they stayed there a few days.
John 7:3
Therefore His brothers said to Him, “Leave here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples also may see Your works which You are doing.
John 7:5
For not even His brothers were believing in Him.
John 7:10
But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as if, in secret.
Acts 1:14
These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
NOW, do you BELIEVE that Mary could not have stayed a virgin and born His brothers AND been a Godly wife??
Maggie
Matthew 12:46
[ Changed Relationships ] While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him.
Mark 3:31
Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him.
Luke 8:19
And His mother and brothers came to Him, and they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd.
John 2:12
After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother and His brothers and His disciples; and they stayed there a few days.
John 7:3
Therefore His brothers said to Him, “Leave here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples also may see Your works which You are doing.
John 7:5
For not even His brothers were believing in Him.
John 7:10
But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as if, in secret.
Acts 1:14
These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
NOW, do you BELIEVE that Mary could not have stayed a virgin and born His brothers AND been a Godly wife??
Maggie
M
No, it is not a Salvation issue. We are not to pray to Mary. THAT IS a salvation issue because it is idolatry. Jesus is our ONLY mediator.1 Tim 2:5
One only need to READ THE SCRIPTURES to KNOW that Marry had other kids. It really is a no brainer and IMO, threads like these are started by people who either have not read the Bible OR hold tradition above God's written Words.
One only need to READ THE SCRIPTURES to KNOW that Marry had other kids. It really is a no brainer and IMO, threads like these are started by people who either have not read the Bible OR hold tradition above God's written Words.
M
I find interesting the argument that "had no other kids" = "necessarily never had sex after that point." With the utmost respect to those involved, Joseph could have been infertile yet acquainted himself nightly with Mary, and she'd still be able to claim only having one son. Virginity, as I know it, is not defined by the number of children, and even if it were I doubt anyone would want to deny she had at least one son.
Not to mention that Jesus HAD BROTHERS. If He had brother, Mary had to have born other children, which MEANS..... yeah...she had SEX!!
Matthew 12:46
[ Changed Relationships ] While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him.
Mark 3:31
Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him.
Luke 8:19
And His mother and brothers came to Him, and they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd.
John 2:12
After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother and His brothers and His disciples; and they stayed there a few days.
John 7:3
Therefore His brothers said to Him, “Leave here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples also may see Your works which You are doing.
John 7:5
For not even His brothers were believing in Him.
John 7:10
But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as if, in secret.
Acts 1:14
These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
NOW, do you BELIEVE that Mary could not have stayed a virgin and born His brothers AND been a Godly wife??
Maggie
Matthew 12:46
[ Changed Relationships ] While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him.
Mark 3:31
Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him.
Luke 8:19
And His mother and brothers came to Him, and they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd.
John 2:12
After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother and His brothers and His disciples; and they stayed there a few days.
John 7:3
Therefore His brothers said to Him, “Leave here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples also may see Your works which You are doing.
John 7:5
For not even His brothers were believing in Him.
John 7:10
But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as if, in secret.
Acts 1:14
These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
NOW, do you BELIEVE that Mary could not have stayed a virgin and born His brothers AND been a Godly wife??
Maggie
Lot is called Abraham's "brother", when actually Lot was Abraham's nephew. So brother does not necessarily mean literally brother. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SIMPLE FACT? You are assuming, without proof, the Bible tells us to "TAKE THE WORDS "BROTHERS" LITERALLY'. Not everything in Scripture is Literal. Do you take the words of Christ, "I AM THE DOOR", literally? Is Christ a wooden plank with a knob in the middle?
No, it is not a Salvation issue. We are not to pray to Mary. THAT IS a salvation issue because it is idolatry. Jesus is our ONLY mediator.1 Tim 2:5
One only need to READ THE SCRIPTURES to KNOW that Marry had other kids. It really is a no brainer and IMO, threads like these are started by people who either have not read the Bible OR hold tradition above God's written Words.
One only need to READ THE SCRIPTURES to KNOW that Marry had other kids. It really is a no brainer and IMO, threads like these are started by people who either have not read the Bible OR hold tradition above God's written Words.
What about those who hold PROTESTANT PRIVATE TRADITION above God's written words in the Bible? Such as "faith alone" (versus James 2:24)?
What about Protestants who IGNORE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT TRADITION (SPOKEN TRADITION, 2 THESSALONIANS 2:15)?
Is it really a point upon which salvation depends for Catholics whether or not Mary was a virgin after the birth of Yeshua?
But we don't have to believe the world was created in September of 5009 BC, to be saved. But some people do believe that.
S
Does it have to be a salvation issue for you to believe it? It is not a salvation issue for us to believe God created the world in 6 days. Maybe science can be reconciled with Scripture if TIME FLOWS AT DIFFERENT RATES AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND PLACES, so 14 BILLION YEARS CAN BE THE SAME TIME AS SIX 24 HOUR DAYS.
But we don't have to believe the world was created in September of 5009 BC, to be saved. But some people do believe that.
But we don't have to believe the world was created in September of 5009 BC, to be saved. But some people do believe that.