The Attack on The Bible

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ChosenbyHim

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The Attack on The Bible

By the Remnant of God website (Presents of God Ministry)

Is the Bible you trust a Bible you SHOULD trust? Is your Bible "geared" to glorify antichrist? Is your Bible going to be USED by antichrist to convince YOU he is Jesus? So far I have found that there are OVER 2000 omissions from the modern day Bibles have culiminated to a grand total of just over 64000 words missing in the NIV Bible.. These verses were REMOVED before writing these modern day Bibles for a reason. PLUS there are countless "rewrites" that make it clear that "... Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word..." Mark 4:15


(KJV= King James Version of 1611 translated from the Greek Textus Receptus) (NIV = New International Version published in Palos Heights Illinois in1978) (NASB = Ryrie study Bible from Moody press)

First off I would like to list the verses that I have so far found TOTALLY OMITTED or BRACKETED in the NIV and NASB. (Bracketed is to say it should NOT be accepted as "of God") Then I would like to share quite a few verses that have been "re-written, altered, twisted, and cut up" in the NIV and NASB. The reason I am sharing the truth about the NIV and NASB and not all the other corrupted Bibles as well, is because these two appear to be the most popular today. There are others that are corrupted as well and I pray the Lord reveals this to those of you that trust these "Bogus Bibles."

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
MAT 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
MAT 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
MAT 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
MAR 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
MAR 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
MAR 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
MAR 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
MAR 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

ALL the verses of Mark 16:9-20 are BRACKETED in the NASB. The NIV places a disclaimer stating... "The most reliable manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20"

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
LUK 17:36 Two [men] shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
LUK 23:17 (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
ACS 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
ACS 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.

REMOVED from NIV and BRACKETED in NASB
ROM 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

The King James Version speaks of the Lord God Almighty in a way that glorifies HIM in His truth. Notice the following changes in the NIV and NASB that "alter" the name of the Almighty in a way that leads one astray and looking to another...

Read the KJV (in blue) then read the comment below it that shares what was changed or omitted by the other Bible's. Then, re-read the Bible verse with the change they made. You WILL see a pattern as you go through the verses.

ACTS 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

Both the NIV and NASB remove the "Holy Ghost" and replace it with "Spirit"

ACTS 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

The NIV changes "Godhead" to "Divine BEING"

The NASB changes "Godhead" to "Divine NATURE"

REV 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Both the NIV and the NASB TOTALLY REMOVE "I am the Alpha and Omega" from their pages.

JOHN 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard [him] ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

The NIV removes "the Christ" and replaces it with the words, "this man"

The NASB removes "the Christ" and replaces it with "this One"

MAT 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Both the NIV and NASB remove "God" and replace it with "One who is good"

JOS 22:22 The LORD God of gods, the LORD God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if [it be] in rebellion, or if in transgression against the LORD, (save us not this day,)

Both the NIV and NASB remove "The Lord God of gods" and replace it with "The mighty one"

1CO 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Both the NIV and NASB remove "Jesus Christ" and simply leave it "the Lord"

EXO 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. (all KJV verses will be in blue)

Both the NIV and NASB remove His name "Jehovah" and replace it with "The Lord"

2CO 5:18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Both the NIV and the NASB remove the name JESUS and leave simply "Christ"

DNL 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Both the NIV and NASB change it from "The Son of God" to "a son of the gods" Do you realize WHO is standing in this furnace? That's right, it was JESUS Himself.

JOHN 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

Both the NIV and the NASB change it from "the Son of God" to the "Son of Man" They even "capitalize the word, "Man"

MAT 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Both the NIV and NASB remove the word "firstborn" from their version. Why? It allows for the "doctrine of devils" that proclaim Mary was a virgin forever and had no more children other than Jesus. "Firstborn" proves there will be more. I cover this in detail in my "FREE" book "The Second Window"

LUKE 2:33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

Both the NIV and NASB replace the name "Joseph" with "father." Why? Is this to place a "lower" value on Jesus Himself, making Him appear to be NOT the Son of God, but simply the son of Joseph? Would a inexperienced Christian see it this way?

LUKE 24:51,52 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

The NIV removes "And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:" from their version.

The NASB removes all of "and carried up into heaven. And they worshipped him," from their version

JOHN 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

The NIV removes "begotten Son" and replaces it with, "God the one and only"

The NASB remove "begotten Son" and replaces it with, "begotten God"

ROM 8:34 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

The NASB replaces "It is Christ" with "Christ Jesus is he who died"

ACTS 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

The NASB changes "the living God" to "a living God"

1JO 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The NIV totally removes "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." and then continues on with verse eight which speaks of earthly things making them appear as Heavenly.

The NASB totally removes the entire verse and relaces it with the bottom half of verse six, thereby splitting and altering verse six as well.

EPH 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

Both the NIV and NASB change it from "fruit of the Spirit" to "fruit of the light" Why light? because

2Corinthians 11:14 says..."And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

REV 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Both the NIV and NASB omit the words, "them which are saved"

ROM 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Both the NIV and NASB replace "his Son Jesus Christ our Lord" with "his Son"

Can you see a "pattern" emerging yet? Do you see why certain words are being removed? Watch the next few verses. Notice how the "flesh" or "worldliness" is placed up front instead the Almighty, His Kingdom, and a Christian way of life.

REV 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] thy ways, thou King of saints.

The NIV changes "King of the saints" to "King of the ages"

The NASB changes "King of the saints" to "King of the nations"

MAT 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Both the NIV and NASB replace "endo of the world" with "end of the age" Why? The devil does NOT want anyone to believe that the World IS going to end.

MAR 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

The NIV removes "take up thy cross" and replaces it with "then come follow me"

The NASB simply puts, "come follow me"

2PET 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

Both the NIV and NASB remove the word "holy" and simply leave "men" making it appear as ANYONE can speak for God Almighty.

1PET 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:

Both the NIV and NASB remove the word "pure" and simply leave the word "heart" Why?
"Blessed [are] the pure in heart: for they shall see God." Mat 5:8

2TIM 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The NIV removes the word "perfect" and replaces it with "thoroughly equipped"

The NASB removes the word "perfect" and replaces it with the words "adeuate, equipped" Why? To make Jesus appear to NOT be "perfect" and therfore a "faulty" Saviour.

PRO 21:21 He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and honour.

The NIV removes the word "righteousness" and replaces it with "prosperity" How blunt can you get? Prosperity is preached in almost ALL churches of today because of this lie. I know people who truly believe they are not blessed of God because they don't have "nice things." Yet the Word says in Mat 6:19,20 "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:"

JER 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

The NIV replaces the word "peace" with the word "prosper"

The NASB replaces the word "peace" with the word "welfare." You see how it is preached that having materials things will give you "peace"?

1TIM 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.

The NASB alters the verse to read... "godliness actually is a means of great gain"

HEB 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Both the NIVand NASB replace the word "rejoicing" with the word "boast"

2CO 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.


2CO 1:14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also [are] ours in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The NIV replaces the words, "rejoicing" and "your rejoicing" with the word "boast"

The NASB replaces the words "rejoice" and "your rejoicing" with the word "proud"

1TIM 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do].

The NIV totally omits the words "godly edifying"

The NASB replaces the words "godly edifying" with "furthering the administration"

Can you see how "mankind", "flesh" and "worldliness" is being glorified in these last few examples? Can you imagine a "babe in Christ" learning and "growing" from a Bible such as this? They will have an outlook that will be geared towards flesh, rather than the Spirit.

Now... look at the next few verses and see if you too don't see the NIV and NASB attempting to place mankind in a much higher state than then Word has actually placed us.

PSA 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

The NASB changes the verse from, "a little lower than the angels" to "a little lower than God"

PHI 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The NIV replaces the words, "our vile body" with "our lowly bodies"

The NASB replaces "our vile body" with "our humble state"

LUKE 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not llive by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Both the NIV and the NASB totally remove "but by every word of God"

Now for the issue of Salvation being in no one other than Jesus Christ. Notice how the following verses corrupt the message of salvation...

MARK 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

Both the NIV and the NASB remove the words... "for them that trust in riches" Why? Re-read the above verse WITHOUT those words and see what it appears to be saying then. Kind of makes it all appear hopeless now doesn't it? Pray for those "babes in Christ" that read this and feel genuine distress.

LUKE 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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it isn't that verses are 'omitted' from the NIV...it is just that the verses that were -added- to the KJV texts are no longer included...
 

ChosenbyHim

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it isn't that verses are 'omitted' from the NIV...it is just that the verses that were -added- to the KJV texts are no longer included...
Hi there Rachel,

thank you for your response to my thread. Just curious, do you have any information like a credible website or resource which you could point me to in order to verify your statement?
 
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some of them are pretty obvious...for example the inserted verse that refers to demons coming out by 'prayer and fasting' contradicts what jesus had just said in a previous verse... that one was probably added by copyists in a monastery...where they are obsessed with fasting along with celibacy and other ascetic practices...

the 'trinity' verse in first john has been pretty conclusively shown to be an eighth century addition to a corrupted latin text... erasmus...the scholar who produced the textus receptus that the king james version is based on...did not even include that verse until the third edition...and it is very possible that the greek manuscript that finally convinced him was fabricated by one of his critics for the specific purpose of fooling him...

someone could probably address all of these 'omissions' one by one...maybe i will if i have time...
 

ChosenbyHim

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it isn't that verses are 'omitted' from the NIV...it is just that the verses that were -added- to the KJV texts are no longer included...

I have actually heard that reason given before, but it is simply not true. The manuscript evidence and a lot of good resources on the Bible Version Issue clearly show that those verses, phrases and words already listed in this thread were not inserted into the text but rather were removed and omitted from the Sacred Text.

Those verses were not added to the KJV, they rightfully belong in the Sacred Text. Those verses are divinely inspired and no scholar or modern day translator has the right to remove them from Scripture. And the modern translations all followed the Westcott and Hort Greek Text. The King James Bible is the preserved, infallible and inerrant word of God.


Here is a solemn warning to those who take away from God's Holy word:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. - Revelation 22:19
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I have actually heard that reason given before, but it is simply not true. The manuscript evidence and a lot of good resources on the Bible Version Issue clearly show that those verses, phrases and words already listed in this thread were not inserted into the text but rather were removed and omitted from the Sacred Text.

Those verses were not added to the KJV, they rightfully belong in the Sacred Text. Those verses are divinely inspired and no scholar or modern day translator has the right to remove them from Scripture. And the modern translations all followed the Westcott and Hort Greek Text. The King James Bible is the preserved, infallible and inerrant word of God.


Here is a solemn warning to those who take away from God's Holy word:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. - Revelation 22:19
actually the manuscript evidence proves the opposite...the king james only rationalizations of all of these added passages are based on circular logic and bad scholarship...

the modern bible translations are all based on nestle and aland...not westcott and hort...

honestly there should be a rule that the moment anyone mentions 'westcott and hort' in a bible version discussion...they automatically lose and discredit themselves by proving themselves to be misinformed...

i see that you conveniently didn't bother to quote the verse from the same place about -adding- to the words of the bible...
 

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actually the manuscript evidence proves the opposite...the king james only rationalizations of all of these added passages are based on circular logic and bad scholarship...

the modern bible translations are all based on nestle and aland...not westcott and hort...

honestly there should be a rule that the moment anyone mentions 'westcott and hort' in a bible version discussion...they automatically lose and discredit themselves by proving themselves to be misinformed...

i see that you conveniently didn't bother to quote the verse from the same place about -adding- to the words of the bible...
That is simply not true Rachel. Your first statement about bad scholarship can easily be applied back to modern day scholars who really can't make up their minds about how the Sacred Text should actually read. Brother Will Kinney has written many articles showing the fickle nature and double speak of the so called "science of textual criticism." Indeed, the modern bible versions like the NIV, NASB, and ESV have no real, settled text. Their text keeps changing with each new revision.

Here is a really good article he wrote on modern day textual criticism:

"Science" of text crit - Another King James Bible Believer

And here is another good article he wrote:

NoDoctrineChanged - Another King James Bible Believer




The information is out there for you Rachel, you just have to want to do the research. And I believe you are capable of doing your own due diligence.
 
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The problem with those articles, is we know by the title that they are biased articles. If one wants to learn the truth they need to go to an unbiased person to see unbiased evidence.

The KJV is no better than the other versions. If nothing else, Like the ASB, it is outdated. I grew up with the KJV, most of the memory verses I have in my head as a kid are from the KJV. so I understood it. My mother passed away a few years ago. I took her old KJV as a memory item. After reading the NKJV and NASB for years. when I tried to read the KJV I was confused. No one talks that way today. Most of the words used are not even used today, or do not even have the same meaning. I would never give a new believer who is an adult the KJV or ASV to read. It would confuse them, and they would give up.

the facts are. ALL english texts are imperfect. Some add things. some subtract things (including the KJV) And not all are even interpreted correctly. or enough.

KJV onlyism is a dangerous legaslistic belief, period!
 
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Re: The KJV attack on the Truth.

The Attack on The Bible

By the Remnant of God website (Presents of God Ministry)


Is the Bible you trust a Bible you SHOULD trust? Is your Bible "geared" to glorify antichrist? Is your Bible going to be USED by antichrist to convince YOU he is Jesus? So far I have found that there are OVER 2000 omissions from the modern day Bibles have culiminated to a grand total of just over 64000 words missing in the NIV Bible.. These verses were REMOVED before writing these modern day Bibles for a reason. PLUS there are countless "rewrites" that make it clear that "... Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word..." Mark 4:15


(KJV= King James Version of 1611 translated from the Greek Textus Receptus) (NIV = New International Version published in Palos Heights Illinois in1978) (NASB = Ryrie study Bible from Moody press)

First off I would like to list the verses that I have so far found TOTALLY OMITTED or BRACKETED in the NIV and NASB. (Bracketed is to say it should NOT be accepted as "of God") Then I would like to share quite a few verses that have been "re-written, altered, twisted, and cut up" in the NIV and NASB. The reason I am sharing the truth about the NIV and NASB and not all the other corrupted Bibles as well, is because these two appear to be the most popular today. There are others that are corrupted as well and I pray the Lord reveals this to those of you that trust these "Bogus Bibles."













The King James Version speaks of the Lord God Almighty in a way that glorifies HIM in His truth. Notice the following changes in the NIV and NASB that "alter" the name of the Almighty in a way that leads one astray and looking to another...




Both the NIV and NASB remove the "Holy Ghost" and replace it with "Spirit"

The term "Holy Ghost" is an anathema heretical mistranslation of "pneuma" which always means only "Spirit" in this context, and Ghost means the spirit of a dead man. The Holy One is NOT the spirit of a dead man. Ghost is heretical! The KJV is heretical when it says Holy Ghost, and orthodox when it says Holy Spirit. In Erie Scott H.

Both the NIV and NASB remove His name "Jehovah" and replace it with "The Lord"

Jehovah is a false, heretical mistranslation of the Tetragrammon YHWH.
Scott H.
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Why? It [The NIV] allows for the "doctrine of devils" that proclaim Mary was a virgin forever and had no more children other than Jesus.

It is a doctrine of devils that proclaims that Mary had sexual relations with St. Joseph.
Scott H. The NIV is orthodox to support a doctrine of the ever-virginity of Mary. Scott


Anyone who is an Orthodox Christian can speak for God Almighty; outside of Holy Orthodoxy are many heresies and heterodoxy.

The NIV is heretical in some of these verses you mention. The KJV is also heretical in some verses like Hebrews 6:6 in the KJV.
Scott H.

The KJV is heretical in Titus 2:13, where it make Jesus someone other than God by saying "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ".

Sincerely, Scott R. Harrington, Erie, PA


 
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1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer(1 Timothy 4:1-5).


This is talking of the New Age religion's occult interpretation of the Bible and Christianity,that God warns us to steer clear of it.


They do not look at Jesus as the savior,but as a teacher,like other people,and everybody has the divinity in them,and can have the Christ conscience,exalting man higher than they should.


They look at Jesus as a mere man who attained spiritual enlightenment through occultic involvement.He numbers among many masters,like Buddha or Zoroaster,who offer a way to spiritual enlightenment.


They separate Jesus from Christ,and say Jesus is a mere man,which the Christ,who is divine,came upon Jesus to help lead people to evolve spiritually.This same Christ is said to lie dormant within each person,waiting to be fully realized so that humanity as a whole may experience spiritual enlightenment.


They interpret all religions according to occult interpretation.



They are waiting for the appearance of the New Age Christ,which they believe he will restore the hidden mysteries of the past.


Does the newer versions lower the status of Jesus,by omitting verses that exalt Him,and do they portray Jesus as only a teacher,and not the savior,for if they do not they cannot be of the New Age religion,which I believe the New Age religion has their own Bible,not any of the versions that Christians use.


It is the New Age religion's occult christianity that you have to beware of,and they are the ones who are waiting for the New Age Christ,so if the new versions do not promote mainly that Jesus is not God,and not the savior,then it would not be of the New Age religion,who are promoting the New Age Christ.


But of course it could slowly change in the future,with revised versions of the new versions,to reflect it,but I do not know.
 
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The problem with those articles, is we know by the title that they are biased articles. If one wants to learn the truth they need to go to an unbiased person to see unbiased evidence.

The KJV is no better than the other versions. If nothing else, Like the ASB, it is outdated. I grew up with the KJV, most of the memory verses I have in my head as a kid are from the KJV. so I understood it. My mother passed away a few years ago. I took her old KJV as a memory item. After reading the NKJV and NASB for years. when I tried to read the KJV I was confused. No one talks that way today. Most of the words used are not even used today, or do not even have the same meaning. I would never give a new believer who is an adult the KJV or ASV to read. It would confuse them, and they would give up.

the facts are. ALL english texts are imperfect. Some add things. some subtract things (including the KJV) And not all are even interpreted correctly. or enough.

KJV onlyism is a dangerous legaslistic belief, period!
The difficulty of the KJV really isn't that great, it is rated as an eighth grade reading level after all. What gets most people is not the outdated words (many of which are simple thees, thous, thines, doths, etc.) which most people know the meaning of from context, but rather the syntax is strange to them. The entire KJV is written in a variety of poetic syntaxes and considering most people do not read poetry regularly they struggle with this. I actually took to the KJV quite easily since I was raised with an appreciation for and a high exposure to poetry.
 

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One must always look to the original texts to get somewhere with Bible studying. KJV is not the original texts. :) KJV is not totally infallible. However, seen in the totality of this big issue, I have not yet found a better translation in the english tongue than KJV. Other versions I like is Rotherham and ASV.
 
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The "bracketed" verses and "missing" verses (which, oddly, my NIV versions have) were missing in some manuscripts, thus you have one text that has them and another that does not. The highlighting of those verses is meant to show that we don't know for sure whether the verses were meant to be included in the text or not. It's objective reasoning, not trying to remove glory from God.
 
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some of them are pretty obvious...for example the inserted verse that refers to demons coming out by 'prayer and fasting' contradicts what jesus had just said in a previous verse... that one was probably added by copyists in a monastery...where they are obsessed with fasting along with celibacy and other ascetic practices...

the 'trinity' verse in first john has been pretty conclusively shown to be an eighth century addition to a corrupted latin text... erasmus...the scholar who produced the textus receptus that the king james version is based on...did not even include that verse until the third edition...and it is very possible that the greek manuscript that finally convinced him was fabricated by one of his critics for the specific purpose of fooling him...

someone could probably address all of these 'omissions' one by one...maybe i will if i have time...

Dear Rachel:
your doctrinal bias shows in your above statements, so though I agree with you that the KJV is not without flaws, it isn't that way for the above reasons you mention. Asceticism is taught by the NT, by the way.
What you say is pretty obvious is not so. What is clear is that Hebrews 6:6 was influenzed by Theodore Beza, Calvinist, as some of the KJV translators were Calvinists influenced by the Calvinist, Beza.
Hebrews 6:6 is blatantly Calvinist in the KJV. I believe what you say is not so, but I'm not sure about that. What you say above could go either way, and may or may not be true. In Erie PA Scott
 

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The problem with those articles, is we know by the title that they are biased articles. If one wants to learn the truth they need to go to an unbiased person to see unbiased evidence.

The KJV is no better than the other versions. If nothing else, Like the ASB, it is outdated. I grew up with the KJV, most of the memory verses I have in my head as a kid are from the KJV. so I understood it. My mother passed away a few years ago. I took her old KJV as a memory item. After reading the NKJV and NASB for years. when I tried to read the KJV I was confused. No one talks that way today. Most of the words used are not even used today, or do not even have the same meaning. I would never give a new believer who is an adult the KJV or ASV to read. It would confuse them, and they would give up.

the facts are. ALL english texts are imperfect. Some add things. some subtract things (including the KJV) And not all are even interpreted correctly. or enough.

KJV onlyism is a dangerous legaslistic belief, period!
Actually many KJV-onlyists are not biased! Here is the video to show you that:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG_f357lobc[/video]
 
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some of them are pretty obvious...for example the inserted verse that refers to demons coming out by 'prayer and fasting' contradicts what jesus had just said in a previous verse... that one was probably added by copyists in a monastery...where they are obsessed with fasting along with celibacy and other ascetic practices...
To expand on something OOC said, I think it would be a mistake to portray this as an obsession, unless we're willing to describe the lack of practice among the Body in general with an equally powerful adjective.

We don't need to say anything about the necessity of prayer, but I think it's clear that Jesus recommended and his followers practiced some basic asceticism. Early evangelists were to take nothing but their staff (Matthew 6:8). Matthew 6:16-18, for instance, describes the proper external mode of fasting:

And when you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, that your fasting may not be seen by others but by your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Acts 13:2, 14:23 show the early church engaged in prayer and fasting. The same is true concerning celibacy, one of Jesus' difficult teachings; e.g. Matthew 19:12.

What some see as obsession, I think is better portrayed as a sincere desire to practice these teachings in a safe, controlled way. Asceticism can quickly degenerate if it isn't regulated. Neophytes are often told they can't do particular practices until their mentors are sure they won't misuse them. An anecdote from another monastic tradition says that an abbot wouldn't let his new monks even sit in meditation until they learned to stop slamming doors (as this betrayed a certain level of violence in the newbie).

The same is true for celibacy. A person either practices it or doesn't. There can't be any on-again-off-again flirtations with celibacy. This has to be regulated and supported.

This doesn't mean the verse wasn't an addition, but I don't think it's an opportunity to drop indictments on the monastic form of what I think we'd agree are licit and recommendable practices for some.