Missing books of the Bible

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Book of Jasher__________ Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18

Book of Gad__________ 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Nathan__________2 Chronicles 9:29

Book of Shemaiah__________2 Chronicles 12:15

Book of Jehu__________2 Chronicles 20:34


The Bible certifies these books as books of the Bible but we do not have these books. We are missing books of the Bible. I believe these books were divinly inspired. They were written by prophets. It could change someone's view of God presurving His word if we are missing books of the Bible. What do you think?
 
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I believe the bible as we have it is divinely inspired, so the real question is do these other books agree with what already exists or do they twist thing and provide false teachings. It they agree then read them, if they don't avoid them.
 
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I think my God is too powerful to let books be 'lost'. If He wanted them in the bible, He'd make sure they were put there.
 
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Book of Jasher__________ Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18

Book of Gad__________ 1 Chronicles 29:29

Book of Nathan__________2 Chronicles 9:29

Book of Shemaiah__________2 Chronicles 12:15

Book of Jehu__________2 Chronicles 20:34


The Bible certifies these books as books of the Bible but we do not have these books. We are missing books of the Bible. I believe these books were divinly inspired. They were written by prophets. It could change someone's view of God presurving His word if we are missing books of the Bible. What do you think?
Most people probably would not agree with you that these books were divinely inspired.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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these were never actually books of the bible in the first place...they are just historical writings that the bible refers to...

it would be neat to find them...but even then the bible should still be our only source of truth...
 
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these were never actually books of the bible in the first place...they are just historical writings that the bible refers to...

it would be neat to find them...but even then the bible should still be our only source of truth...[

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Dear Rachel:
According to the Bible itself, the Bible itself is NOT THE ONLY SOURCE OF TRUTH: 2 THESSALONIANS 2:15 PROVES SPOKEN (ORAL) APOSTOLIC TRADITION IS ALSO A SOURCE OF TRUTH. But PROTESTANTS DO NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE IN 2 THESSALONIANS 2:15.
In Erie Scott H.
 
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these were never actually books of the bible in the first place...they are just historical writings that the bible refers to...

it would be neat to find them...but even then the bible should still be our only source of truth...
I have a feeling that these particular books would actually shed quite a bit of light on the five books of Moses, because no doubt Moses took parts from them.
 

gotime

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these were never actually books of the bible in the first place...they are just historical writings that the bible refers to...

it would be neat to find them...but even then the bible should still be our only source of truth...[

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Dear Rachel:
According to the Bible itself, the Bible itself is NOT THE ONLY SOURCE OF TRUTH: 2 THESSALONIANS 2:15 PROVES SPOKEN (ORAL) APOSTOLIC TRADITION IS ALSO A SOURCE OF TRUTH. But PROTESTANTS DO NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE IN 2 THESSALONIANS 2:15.
In Erie Scott H.
Actually you missus this text to give more credence to your faith. now weather your faith is right or wrong I am not addressing that. but this text does not support your claim.

Everything must be used in the context that it is in.

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

His point "therefore" directly links what he is about to say to what he has said just said. The issue is that some were saying that Christ was here or would be here soon. they were being decieved on this matter.

So Paul is telling them to hold on to that which they have already taught them. Also indicating that they had been told the truth on this matter already and did not need further information on the subject. but to simply trust in what they had already received from the apostles.

What were these traditions. they were those things the apostles had taught them both by word of mouth and by Letters.

This is what the bible is, it is the teachings of the apostles, Jesus and the prophets. all inspired by God.

So please do not use this to spin your fables about your church being able to give new light or pass unbiblical traditions. That is exactly what Paul is speaking against.

blessings
 
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Actually you missus this text to give more credence to your faith. now weather your faith is right or wrong I am not addressing that. but this text does not support your claim.

Everything must be used in the context that it is in.

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

His point "therefore" directly links what he is about to say to what he has said just said. The issue is that some were saying that Christ was here or would be here soon. they were being decieved on this matter.

So Paul is telling them to hold on to that which they have already taught them. Also indicating that they had been told the truth on this matter already and did not need further information on the subject. but to simply trust in what they had already received from the apostles.

What were these traditions. they were those things the apostles had taught them both by word of mouth and by Letters.

This is what the bible is, it is the teachings of the apostles, Jesus and the prophets. all inspired by God.

So please do not use this to spin your fables about your church being able to give new light or pass unbiblical traditions. That is exactly what Paul is speaking against.

blessings
Honestly though we can pretty well say that not all of what the Apostles taught is in the Bible. It's not like the Apostles had a scribe following them around writing things down every-time they spoke. It's also helpful to remember that this was a time of an oral learning based culture. The Bible from the time it was put together was never thought of or intended to be the be all end all all inclusive exhaustive text on Christian theology and doctrine. Judaism (no this isn't exclusive to Pharisaical Judaism) still holds this distinction with the written law and the oral law; the oral law being what Moses passed down orally through the generations. It's similar with Tradition, since it is the teachings of the Apostles passed down orally.

Now I know you are going to ask why God didn't include them in the Bible. Well the best answer to that is what I said above; that the Bible was never meant to be an exhaustive text.
 

gotime

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It is true that the Bible does not say everything that the apostles ever said and so forth. that being said the bible is Gods word and God is in control. he makes sure what we need is there.

There is nothing missing from it that is needed. Everything they would have said would have been in line with what they wrote. we can trust that God made sure of that.

blessings
 
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It is true that the Bible does not say everything that the apostles ever said and so forth. that being said the bible is Gods word and God is in control. he makes sure what we need is there.

There is nothing missing from it that is needed. Everything they would have said would have been in line with what they wrote. we can trust that God made sure of that.

blessings
You seem to have missed my point. God, in his perfect knowledge, very well could have wanted some things passed down orally. Oral history across cultures has proved to be remarkably resilient and accurate; we just don't like it because we can't look back at oral history and say "This came from such and such time" like we can with a manuscript. But oral history is in a way better because as long as people keep passing it down it lives in the hearts of man, and while books can be destroyed the stories we tell will live on and on in the hearts and minds of those who hear them and can never be destroyed unless the people themselves are totally wiped out.
 
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Here's the problem, though: Jews wrote down the Oral law (thus giving us the Talmud) because they understood that the temporary nature of oral transmission wasn't perfect. The tannaim had a marvelous track record (and oral traditions still do, of course), but a tanna could be killed (and consider what happened after Titus destroyed Jerusalem; without the Perushalmi, well, there goes Judaism.)

The written parts of the oral law are concrete; the nonwritten parts are subjective and therefore questionable. Tradition may or may not be correct; as it's subjective, there's no way to know. You need a concrete reference to say for sure.

So what about the books referred to? Well, they'd be fascinating, I think - there are a lot of books we don't have from antiquity that would be interesting to use as source material. That said, the books were not considered to be canonical enough to be preserved along with the Tanach, which says that they would be of interest and not authoritative for reference to the glory of God.
 

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I think my God is too powerful to let books be 'lost'. If He wanted them in the bible, He'd make sure they were put there.
This is exactly what i told my friend when he claimed the book of Enoch to be legit.

i say any book that is not found in the 66 inspired books of the bible is heretic because all they do is add to the word.
 
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This is exactly what i told my friend when he claimed the book of Enoch to be legit.

i say any book that is not found in the 66 inspired books of the bible is heretic because all they do is add to the word.
The Apocrypha which makes 72 books does not "add to the word", these are also inspired writings.

The 66 book canon is wrong, there are actually 72 books. The Bible Canon was, and always has been in the authority of the Church. The Canon itself (esp the NT Canon), was created and put together by the ancient Church Fathers. The Bible was not just magically put together by the "power of God", but Holy Church Bishops were inspired by the Holy Spirit to create a list of inspired books... Some of these books were the Deuterocanonical books, (known as the "Apocrypha" to the Protestants.)

The question is, "who has the authority over the Bible?" "The Bible publishing companies?"

I suggest you watch this video:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkiZ7vphaDo[/video]
 
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what has more of an impact on a non believer, someone reading from the bible or someone giving their testimony? the oral tradition should be just as valuable today as it was then. the words of the bible are powerful. the words of a witness are powerful. what do we witness to? the truth of the bible. im not a biblical scholar, but i am a witness to the truths of the bible. i have experienced what the bible teaches and i see how it works in the world. it is in the testimony of those who witness that help in understanding the truth of the bible. sadly, one thing non believers and Christians have in common is an unwillingness to list to something that doesn't conform to what they "know" making most discussions become a debate. i'm not interested in a debate over something i experienced.

most of the world has lost contact with the oral tradition of those who have experienced the bible. they view anything that isn't a quote from "their" bible as to be untruth. the world has become lost in the translation of the word instead of noticing that they are experiencing the living word every day. all i can say is this, i was born in 1972. in 2009 i experienced the word at work in me and in the world. i KNOW the bible to be true. i am a witness! Jesus is the Son of God.

Duewell
 
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what has more of an impact on a non believer, someone reading from the bible or someone giving their testimony? the oral tradition should be just as valuable today as it was then. the words of the bible are powerful. the words of a witness are powerful. what do we witness to? the truth of the bible. im not a biblical scholar, but i am a witness to the truths of the bible. i have experienced what the bible teaches and i see how it works in the world. it is in the testimony of those who witness that help in understanding the truth of the bible. sadly, one thing non believers and Christians have in common is an unwillingness to list to something that doesn't conform to what they "know" making most discussions become a debate. i'm not interested in a debate over something i experienced.

most of the world has lost contact with the oral tradition of those who have experienced the bible. they view anything that isn't a quote from "their" bible as to be untruth. the world has become lost in the translation of the word instead of noticing that they are experiencing the living word every day. all i can say is this, i was born in 1972. in 2009 i experienced the word at work in me and in the world. i KNOW the bible to be true. i am a witness! Jesus is the Son of God.

Duewell
That's exactly what the Church is about, the Word of God in action. The Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom which was written in the 4th century AD, was almost entirely composed of Scripture verses. This Liturgy service is, and has been the standard Sunday service in all of the Orthodox Churches of God for 1600 years.

Please read this, this is the text of the Liturgy with references to Scripture inserted in it:

The Bible in the Divine Liturgy


This is by far one of the most sacred Church services which is still celebrated today in the Christian world. You will not find anything else like it because it was composed by a very holy man, St John the Chrysostom (Gr. Golden Mouth).

Go and find an Eastern Orthodox Church near you and go to this service on Sunday morning, you will be amazed.
 
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gotime;611202 said:
Actually you missus this text to give more credence to your faith. now weather your faith is right or wrong I am not addressing that. but this text does not support your claim.

Everything must be used in the context that it is in.

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

His point "therefore" directly links what he is about to say to what he has said just said. The issue is that some were saying that Christ was here or would be here soon. they were being decieved on this matter.

So Paul is telling them to hold on to that which they have already taught them. Also indicating that they had been told the truth on this matter already and did not need further information on the subject. but to simply trust in what they had already received from the apostles.

What were these traditions. they were those things the apostles had taught them both by word of mouth and by Letters.

This is what the bible is, it is the teachings of the apostles, Jesus and the prophets. all inspired by God.

So please do not use this to spin your fables about your church being able to give new light or pass unbiblical traditions. That is exactly what Paul is speaking against.

blessings
Dear gotime:

Actually, you're mistaken. This text (2 THESS. 2:15) proves oral tradition is valid, and not "the Bible

alone".

It say "whether in word (spoken....). Fundamentalist Protestantism denies ORAL TRADITION,

because IT IS NOT WRITTEN DOWN IN THE BIBLE. Well, it is not written down IN THE BIBLE

that the Church should follow ONLY WHAT IS WRITTEN DOWN IN THE BIBLE.

If that is so, we couldn't know what's in the Bible, because the Bible doesn't GIVE US A LIST OF

WHAT BOOKS SHOULD BE IN THE BIBLE.

God bless you.

In Erie Scott H.
 
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the gospel was the long awaited promise of God we should follow, not the entire bible.

dont believe me, believe the bible
 
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Thereare more Bible books in the old testament. There are 73 books origionally
 
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They might be saying they are books written by certain people,but does that mean they are to belong to the Bible.

And if they were added to the Bible would they make a difference,for it seems like what we do have covers everything,so what would they say that is important,a king we should know about,a mountain we never heard of,or a repeat of something or theology we already know about.

And if they were supposed to be part of the Bible,but happened to be not added,then how is God in charge of His word,seeing man can add or subtract without any power from God to stop them.

If they are supposed to be part of the Bible,but were not added,then how is God in charge of His word,to have the Bible according to how He wants it.

The truth is I believe they said there are books written by certain people,but of course I should for it is in the Bible,but that does not mean they are supposed to be part of the Bible,and whatever they wrote would not be beneficial to us,seeing the Bible,as it is,is already sufficient for us,and to add anything else would only be a repeat of what is already mentioned in several places in the Bible.Do we need 12 witnesses to tell us the truth of one certain thing,for the Bible has many witnesses in it about every theology,but that is not what those books are about,to tell us something beneficial for us,but only telling us what the king did during their reign,and do not need to be added to the Bible.

The books that were written were the acts of David or Solomon,or someone else,but don't we have enough knowledge of the acts of David and Solomon,or at least the important things,and do we have to know everything they did,and God seems to think we know enough about David and Solomon,or any other king without having to resort to those books.

It would seem like the books telling of the acts of David and Solomon,or any king,was for the benefit to those that lived back then to know of the things that the kings did,but it is no benefit to us to know everything the kings did,what war they were engaged in,who they had peace with,and basically what the king did,which is all it is,what the king did,and that is no benefit to us in any way,but only telling what the king did during his reign,no spiritual lesson,no lesson to be learned at all,but what the king did during his reign,ho hum,sorry for my sarcasm,but it is of no benefit.

Those books are only telling us what the king did during his reign,and has nothing to do with a spiritual lesson,or anything to do with a beneficial lesson,but the king went to war,the king had peace,the king had a celebration,and so forth,and all the important things of king David,and Solomon,and Rehoboam,or any other king,is already in the Bible,the things that are important,and telling us enough of what we need to know.

We do not need to know everything about the kings,but in the Bible it tells us the important things the kings did,but the books by Asher,and who else,is only telling Israel of the things the kings did during their reign,and not directed to the saints,and is not only telling the important things the kings did,but giving an account of what the kings did during their reign.

And that is the truth,those books do not have necessarily anything to do with a spiritual lesson,or beneficial to us,but only books telling us what the king did during his reign as king,whether went to war with this nation,or had peace with this nation,or had a celebration,or whatever he did,but of course they could have a spiritual lesson,but that is not what those books mean entirely,but telling what the king did during his reign.

Those books are a history of the king,not meant to be a spiritual lesson there,although the king could have done good things during his reign,like a preacher could preach the Gospel and good things written in a book,and someone writes another book telling all the preacher did during his time being a preacher,lived in Arizona,moved to California,got married,had 3 children,and what not,not necessarily focusing on a spiritual lesson,as with the kings.

The books seem to only be books for the Jews in the Old Testament,to tell what the king did during his reign as a history of the kings to the Jews,an autobiography of the kings,and not actually meant to be a spiritual significance,at least not focused on that part,but might point out he was a good king who loved the LORD.

The books are saying it is the acts of those kings,the acts signifying what they did during their reign,and they do not need to be added to the Bible,for if it pointed out good acts,do we not have enough accounts of good acts of the kings in the Bible already,which tells the story,and spiritual lessons quite well,and must we know what all the kings of Israel did.Is not the Bible big enough with enough spiritual lessons for us to learn.Must we hear the account of 12 kings that did good to get the message.

The truth is those books would not reveal any new information,would not point out any new morality,would not point out a new spiritual lesson,would not point out something that God wants us to know,for the Bible,as it is,already covers everything we need to know,and do we have to know the history of all the kings of Israel,and what they did.