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What are you?

  • Latin Rite

    Votes: 3 7.5%
  • Eastern Rite

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Orthodox (All types)

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • Not Catholic

    Votes: 30 75.0%

  • Total voters
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preschoolteacher24

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Well ok I just started a group strictly on invite I invited the ones who are cathoilc ehhe and anyoneelse who wants too join message me at my page I dont want any drama or arguements Like I said i inivted people who I consider are drama free we jsut want too know each other.. so yeah ehhee accept my request
 
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MrsSunflower

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Well, I voted myself on the poll as non Catholic. Meaning as I am not an Catholic anymore.

Yet as a baby I was baptized Catholic, because my mother is Spanish and got told to be doing this with all the children she got by the priest when she and my father married. They married also in Spain the Catholic way. So I did got baptized Catholic when I was very little, but later when I grew up more and started going to another church, I baptized again as an grown up. Though for me doing that was more a serious faith covenant I made between me and God.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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I have a problem with requiring some age before you can be baptized. Baptism isn't something WE do, it's something GOD does to US.

In the Bible, Jesus refers to it as being "born again" or "born from above." I think it's important to recognize that baptism is more like birth than like signing up for a club. Just as an infant doesn't have to understand neo-natal biology before it can pass through the birth canal of its mother and take that first breath, neither does a baby need to understand faith before it passes through the waters of baptism to become a child of God.

Confirmation is something we do -- it's the acceptance of that free gift of grace that God gave us, and the commitment to do something with that gift. But baptism has nothing to do with the person being baptized, and everything to do with God.
 
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I have a problem with requiring some age before you can be baptized. Baptism isn't something WE do, it's something GOD does to US.

In the Bible, Jesus refers to it as being "born again" or "born from above." I think it's important to recognize that baptism is more like birth than like signing up for a club. Just as an infant doesn't have to understand neo-natal biology before it can pass through the birth canal of its mother and take that first breath, neither does a baby need to understand faith before it passes through the waters of baptism to become a child of God.

Confirmation is something we do -- it's the acceptance of that free gift of grace that God gave us, and the commitment to do something with that gift. But baptism has nothing to do with the person being baptized, and everything to do with God.

Jesus said, " 5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(John*3:5-6*NKJ)

Baptism is absolutely necessary if a person wants to have the Holy Spirit and become a temple of the Holy Spirit.

God will save who he wants - baptized or not, but what it all comes down to is this: Are you baptized here and now and do you have the Holy Spirit in this life through baptism? We need baptism here and now.

I have heard from some teachers, that after death, there is even a chance for baptism by fire, but we need not wait until after death for that, how painful must that be!
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Interestingly the Churches of Christ, which sprang from the early 19th century Stone-Campbell reformation movement on the American frontier seeking a return to apostolic Christianity, teach the same thing.

Here's the rub though. If you can find one genuine spirit-filled follower of Jesus Christ on the planet who has yet to receive water baptism (due to ignorance, a lack of a body of water, or any other means); then that verse will just have to be interpreted differently.

A view, going back at least to the time of Origen, understands “water and spirit” as a figurative expression referring to the cleansing and purifying work of God’s Spirit.

In the OT both water and spirit are symbols of God’s renewing, life-giving activity (cf. Is 55:2–3; Jer 2:13; 17:13; Ezek 37:1–14; 47:9; Zech 14:8; cf. also Jub. 1:23–25), and both are sometimes used in the same contexts: “I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; … I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you” (Ezek 36:25–26 NIV; cf. Is 32:15–17; 44:3–5; also 1QS 4:19–21; Jn 7:37–39).

This imagery was something that “a teacher of the Jews” (e.g. Nicodemus) would have recognized. The fact that both nouns are governed by a single preposition (ek) and that both are anarthrous suggests that they should be understood together as a conceptual unit describing the nature of this new birth rather than the agents or instruments of it.

It is a “water-spirit” birth as opposed to the birth which is “of flesh.”

In this birth one shares in the nature of God as “spirit” through the life-giving activity of the Holy Spirit. Just as natural life is a result of God’s breathing spirit into the first human, so eternal life is a consequence of God’s giving his Holy Spirit to human life through a new birth.

Food for thought....

Jesus said, " 5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(John*3:5-6*NKJ)

Baptism is absolutely necessary if a person wants to have the Holy Spirit and become a temple of the Holy Spirit.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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We read scripture translated into English but it was spoken and written in ancient non-English languages. I think the best English translations are very good but there is subtle but important meaning in those ancient languages which sometimes doesn't translate to English.
 
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We just don't want to take the chance of our little babies dying in original sin (Adam and Eve), and without the Holy Spirit.

If other faiths want to take the chance that their children might die unexpectedly without having been baptised in the Holy Spirit because he/she is not old enough to make important decisions, that's certainly their right.
 
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sharry

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hi everyone, i am christian but i am looking at the catholic faith, and started going to catholic church and im learning the rosary. And i wish to learn more, so i would love to chat to other catholics.

Sharry :)
 

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hi everyone, i am christian but i am looking at the catholic faith, and started going to catholic church and im learning the rosary. And i wish to learn more, so i would love to chat to other catholics.

Sharry :)
Hey Sharry! Always a joy to have someone else interested in the Catholic Church. :)
 
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cari6

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I used to be Roman Catholic. I am currently eploring other christian branches still feel more Catholic that anything else though.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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I used to be Roman Catholic. I am currently eploring other christian branches still feel more Catholic that anything else though.
Have you tried the Episcopal church? Many of our parishes follow most of the Roman Catholic traditions, and the service will probably "feel" very familiar to you: incense, bells, genuflecting, etc. Theologically, here is how we are different:

We respect the Pope, but do not believe he is authoritative. Our polity looks to bishops who have administrative authority, but we believe that only God has authority when it comes to matters of faith and salvation.

The Episcopal church allows its priests to marry. This is actually the same as most non-Roman rites, and in fact the way the Romans were until relatively recently. The limit on priests marrying initially had nothing to do with celibacy or sexual purity. The reason the RCC didn't allow its priests to marry was over property rights. Priests' sons were demanding the rights to property of their fathers from the Church. To avoid this problem, the Church told its priests to stop marrying. That way, while the priests may continue to have sons, they would not be legitimate sons, and therefore would have no claim on property. The church, initially, did not intend for priests to remain celibate, just without legitimate heirs. Since property rights in most countries is no longer an inheritance issue (the Church owns the property, not the priest, so the son would have no rights to it anyway), this provision has long since outlasted its purpose.

Many Episcopal churches allow women to be ordained. There are many Scripture passages that support this, and many Scripture passages that denounce it. It is an argument that has gone back and forth in other areas on this forum, and a separate thread can be started if anyone wants to debate the issue. I am bringing it up simply as a statement of fact, that many (thought not all) Episcopal churches accept the ordination of women. They are rather unique among the Catholics because of this. I think most people on this board would prefer not to continue an argument on women's ordination in this thread. In the Catholic boards, I would say it's a given that women are NOT to be ordained, and leave it at that.

With regards to communion, the Episcopal Church teaches that Christ's body and blood are truly present in the earthly elements of bread and wine. Most Episcopal Churches will serve alcoholic wine and wafers, just as you would get in a Catholic Church (not grape juice and bread pellets that you would get at a lot of Protestant churches). The EC stays away from naming any particular doctrine, either "transubstantiation" (as the Catholics teach) or "consubstantiation" (as the Lutherans and some other Protestants teach). We call it a "holy mystery of real presence" and let it be that. We're all about the Via Media (middle way).

We also tend to practice open communion, which is different from many other Catholic churches, and some Protestant churches who say you have to be a member of that church or that denomination in order to receive. We believe that the altar belongs to Christ, not to our church, or our denomination. We allow anyone whom Jesus has invited to the table to dine with us. I find that, although in doctrine the RCC teaches against this, in practice most RCC priests will actually serve individuals, even if they know they aren't Roman Catholic, but they are receiving the sacrament in earnest and with a contrite heart. The priest understands that Jesus has invited that person to the table, and his place is not to deny whom Jesus has invited.

If you have any other questions about the Episcopal church, or about any of the mainline Protestant churches as compared to the Roman Catholic Church, feel free to ask. I have studied these extensively. I'm not so knowledgeable about the other Catholic rites, or about the many thousands of other Protestant denominations (outside of the mainline ones), but I can direct you to authoritative websites for some of them at least.

Enjoy your explorations. I think you will find that God is present in many Churches. No one denomination is perfect, they all have flaws, because we're still on this side of Paradise. But I think most of them (though not all) are working in the right direction. There are little differences here and there, but ultimately these differences don't really matter to God. They matter only to the people worshiping, and it comes down to where you feel most comfortable worshiping. As long as it's God whose being praised, I really don't think it matters where or how. Know what I mean?
 
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SantoSubito

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Seeing as she's in Italy I don't think there will be much of an Anglican presence at all (theres very little Protestant presence at all in Italy). Not to mention the fact that she would have to find a high-church Anglican parish and not a low-church Evangelical one, or a broad-church liberal one. When we went to Italy a couple of years ago we went into a few Anglican churches and all of them seemed low-church.

Location limits everything including church choice, especially in mostly religiously homogeneous countries like Italy (out of the 91.3% of the Christian population 89.2% are Catholic).
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Seeing as she's in Italy I don't think there will be much of an Anglican presence at all (theres very little Protestant presence at all in Italy). Not to mention the fact that she would have to find a high-church Anglican parish and not a low-church Evangelical one, or a broad-church liberal one. When we went to Italy a couple of years ago we went into a few Anglican churches and all of them seemed low-church.

Location limits everything including church choice, especially in mostly religiously homogeneous countries like Italy (out of the 91.3% of the Christian population 89.2% are Catholic).
Ah, I hadn't looked at her profile, just the flag, which is Peruvian, not Italian. You are quite correct: The Anglican churches in Italy are quite different than the Anglican churches in the Americas.

Sorry, in Italy you're probably best off sticking with RCC. Hey, when in Rome.... :)
 
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SantoSubito

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Ah, I hadn't looked at her profile, just the flag, which is Peruvian, not Italian. You are quite correct: The Anglican churches in Italy are quite different than the Anglican churches in the Americas.

Sorry, in Italy you're probably best off sticking with RCC. Hey, when in Rome.... :)
If she's looking for something like Catholicism but different then Eastern Orthodoxy would be her best bet since they have a fairly large presence, especially in the south of Italy. That being said this all depends on if she's just looking around trying to find out what she believes and whatnot or whether or not she has Protestant sympathies.

But I always have to insist that Catholics stick with the Catholic Church.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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But I always have to insist that Catholics stick with the Catholic Church.
I try not to "insist" on anything, but I lean towards this, yes. Like you said, it all depends on what you're looking for.

Sometimes I think it's a good idea to go "church shopping," even if you're not particularly looking, just to see what's out there. If nothing else, it's a good exercise to learn what your own church may be doing right and/or wrong. For example, when you're on vacation, attend another church, and take note on how you're treated as an outsider. Think of how a new-comer or guest may feel at your own church.

If we're supposed to be getting more people into our churches, what are we doing about it? Are we inviting by our worship, or repelling people? Certainly worth considering!
 
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SantoSubito

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I try not to "insist" on anything, but I lean towards this, yes. Like you said, it all depends on what you're looking for.

Sometimes I think it's a good idea to go "church shopping," even if you're not particularly looking, just to see what's out there. If nothing else, it's a good exercise to learn what your own church may be doing right and/or wrong. For example, when you're on vacation, attend another church, and take note on how you're treated as an outsider. Think of how a new-comer or guest may feel at your own church.

If we're supposed to be getting more people into our churches, what are we doing about it? Are we inviting by our worship, or repelling people? Certainly worth considering!
For the newcomer approach I think theres only 3 things that people usually do.

1. They shower them with attention and affection. I noticed that many non-denom Evangelical churches do this and it actually bugs me.

2. Over interest in whether or not someone is "saved". Honestly sometimes people that don't usually go to church just want to go to sit, listen, and think. IFB's do this a lot.

3. Indifference. Catholics do this all the time, which while better than number 2 isn't really any better than number one as it risks driving away people that want that initial attention, but it doesn't make those that don't want it uncomfortable like number one would. But the reason for this approach is mostly practical; Catholics aren't loyal to one parish (usually), they'll go to Mass at a different parish depending on how it fits with their schedule. So theres no real way of knowing who is or isn't new unless they make it known.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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For the newcomer approach I think theres only 3 things that people usually do.

1. They shower them with attention and affection. I noticed that many non-denom Evangelical churches do this and it actually bugs me.

2. Over interest in whether or not someone is "saved". Honestly sometimes people that don't usually go to church just want to go to sit, listen, and think. IFB's do this a lot.

3. Indifference. Catholics do this all the time, which while better than number 2 isn't really any better than number one as it risks driving away people that want that initial attention, but it doesn't make those that don't want it uncomfortable like number one would. But the reason for this approach is mostly practical; Catholics aren't loyal to one parish (usually), they'll go to Mass at a different parish depending on how it fits with their schedule. So theres no real way of knowing who is or isn't new unless they make it known.
I hear you. I think it's important to seek out people who are new to your particular parish and say hi. A simple greeting, before or after Mass starts, like, "I don't think I've met you before, my name is ____" is a great conversation starter. If the person is one of those people who just wants to sit and watch, they will let you know with their body language. It's not too forward or invasive, but allows for further welcoming if they are indeed seeking a new church home.
 
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rodogg

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I wish we had a place for Catholics. We have that chat group but nobody ever seems to use it. Anyway, on a side not, I was at adoration last night (my favourite! :D) and started to read this small book called "The Secret of Mary" by St. Louis de Montfort. I would really recommend it!! I have another book of his called "True devotion to Mary" but I haven't finished it yet. But yeah adoration I reallllly love. I know Mass is the highest prayer and our most important Sacrament, but I never feel the same overwhelming presence and love of Jesus there as I do in Adoration. Maybe I'm just not a good enough Catholic yet... ;)
 
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SantoSubito

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I hear you. I think it's important to seek out people who are new to your particular parish and say hi. A simple greeting, before or after Mass starts, like, "I don't think I've met you before, my name is ____" is a great conversation starter. If the person is one of those people who just wants to sit and watch, they will let you know with their body language. It's not too forward or invasive, but allows for further welcoming if they are indeed seeking a new church home.
I've done this at St. Marks in my town and it works well there since we have a narthex. But at St. Josephs which is the oldest parish in my town there is literally nothing but the church and the grounds, and you can't talk in the church. Add onto that the weather here is either blazing heat or bone chilling cold and people tend to disperse to go home quickly.

But at the university parish it's easy to greet newcomers since there are very few non-college student parishioners there.

I wish we had a place for Catholics. We have that chat group but nobody ever seems to use it. Anyway, on a side not, I was at adoration last night (my favourite! ) and started to read this small book called "The Secret of Mary" by St. Louis de Montfort. I would really recommend it!! I have another book of his called "True devotion to Mary" but I haven't finished it yet. But yeah adoration I reallllly love. I know Mass is the highest prayer and our most important Sacrament, but I never feel the same overwhelming presence and love of Jesus there as I do in Adoration. Maybe I'm just not a good enough Catholic yet...
I envy you for having perpetual adoration easily available. We have one perpetual adoration chapel here, but the only times available are in the very late hours like 3 AM. So I'm unable to be a regular adorer outside of Lent. I also highly recommend St. Louis de Montfort, especially his Total Consecration to Mary.
 
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rodogg

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I envy you for having perpetual adoration easily available. We have one perpetual adoration chapel here, but the only times available are in the very late hours like 3 AM. So I'm unable to be a regular adorer outside of Lent. I also highly recommend St. Louis de Montfort, especially his Total Consecration to Mary.
Aw that's sad! Well I live in a small town so like they need MORE adorers. When you say the only times available, do you mean that outside those times the chapel is full up?? I just go whenever I feel like it and there's usually only about 3 or 4 people there. I think there must be about 25-ish seats in it. I probably never appreciate it enough, but it is an amazing gift to have. But never forget that you can always just go to your church, as Jesus is always present in the Eucharist in the Tabernacle there! Even if you cant see it. :D