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thanks Abiding
Have you ever tried these? i'm making them for breakfast
they are fried bananas
nope...they look good
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nope...they look good
Correct. There is a lot of, primarily charismatic, teaching out about generational curses that us wholly unscriptural.
Paul said with the mind he serves Christ,so if someone is in sin their mind is not right,so they would be mentally ill,and the Bible does say that God does give us the spirit of a sound mind,which indicates if you are not with God then your mind is not sound and mentally stable.
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My goal here is not to talk about deliverance or to argue about generational curses. I simply wanted to show how sin can cause mental illness. This is a very serious topic and one that needs to be recognized and addressed. It's a given that people with alterior motives are going jump into the discussion and attempt disrupt the conversation.
Now think about this. The sins of my mother's parents cause my mother's mental illness and from what I have heard it was the sins of my mother's grandparents which caused the issues in her parents also. This is the reason why I relate this problem with generational curses, because it was the sins of the fathers which caused the backsliding of the nation of Israel which God allowed to continue to the third or fourth generation before He assigned a judge or a prophet to come forward to lead the nation into repentance / revival. Often times alcoholism, child abuse, pedophilia etc., while not genetic, are conditions that seem to be passed down through one family for a handful of generations. Apparently anger issues run in my family which lead to abuse through several generations. Thank God that the abuse ended with my generation. Ironically, those in my extended family who have embraced Christianity have been spared and the abuse and the need for medications while those who insist on living in sin are still being destroyed by what is going on.
I could care less what everyone's doctrinal views are, the simple truth is that this stuff is very real in today's society and chances are it is happening in your own family, church, or circle of influence. It's time that the church stop arguing over nonsense, recognize what's going on and prepare to do something about it because only Christ can bring this stuff to an end.
The sad thing about my mother's frame of mind is that, because of the enviroment that she grew up in, she is encapable of comprehending how her irrational selfish behavior is indeed sinful and effects others negatively. Fortunately, my brothers and I are completely aware, are well adjusted, and I some of the most awesome nephews and a niece to show for it.
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But that doesn't change that fact that abuse is generally passed down through the generations in a family and only Jesus can bring this thing to an end.
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I just read your post and do agree with many of points you have made. Some I disagree with. There are a few details that I have not listed that have helped lead me to the conclussions that I have made. Regardless I do respect you and your willing to discuss a sensitive issue in the hope of reaching a positive conclussion that might help someone which is why I chimmed in.
I know that I am far from perfect and am well aware of my own personality quirks which resulted in living and dealing with someone with such an illness. However, the Holy Spirit has been faithful in helping to notice those imperfections and how to overcome them. While I'm sure He's not finished pruning me, you wouldn't believe how far He's brought me.
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AnandaHya
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yeah you summed it nicely
here are a couple interesting scriptures about a sound mind:
2 Corinthians 5:13
For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; or if we are of sound mind, it is for you.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
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oh ok, just wanted to make sure.
not too long ago we had people and may still have people who think you can reach sinless perfection (before death or the coming of Christ) and become mini-godlets.
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My goal here is not to talk about deliverance or to argue about generational curses. I simply wanted to show how sin can cause mental illness. This is a very serious topic and one that needs to be recognized and addressed. It's a given that people with alterior motives are going jump into the discussion and attempt disrupt the conversation.
Now think about this. The sins of my mother's parents cause my mother's mental illness and from what I have heard it was the sins of my mother's grandparents which caused the issues in her parents also. This is the reason why I relate this problem with generational curses, because it was the sins of the fathers which caused the backsliding of the nation of Israel which God allowed to continue to the third or fourth generation before He assigned a judge or a prophet to come forward to lead the nation into repentance / revival. Often times alcoholism, child abuse, pedophilia etc., while not genetic, are conditions that seem to be passed down through one family for a handful of generations. Apparently anger issues run in my family which lead to abuse through several generations. Thank God that the abuse ended with my generation. Ironically, those in my extended family who have embraced Christianity have been spared and the abuse and the need for medications while those who insist on living in sin are still being destroyed by what is going on.
I could care less what everyone's doctrinal views are, the simple truth is that this stuff is very real in today's society and chances are it is happening in your own family, church, or circle of influence. It's time that the church stop arguing over nonsense, recognize what's going on and prepare to do something about it because only Christ can bring this stuff to an end.
The sad thing about my mother's frame of mind is that, because of the enviroment that she grew up in, she is encapable of comprehending how her irrational selfish behavior is indeed sinful and effects others negatively. Fortunately, my brothers and I are completely aware, are well adjusted, and I some of the most awesome nephews and a niece to show for it.
I agree that sinful behaviour causes a lot of issues and mental strongholds in the minds of those doing the sin and the ones who are victims.
however that is the nature of sin. generational curses are a totally different topic.
so is deliverance ministries and the charismatic movement.
we can talk about it but it would get kind of confusing because generational curses don't really have to do with mental illnesses directly but sin
and God has decreed they are no more.
it used to be a parable but God changed it with these verses:
Jeremiah 31:30
But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge.
Ezekiel 18
1 The word of the LORD came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:
‘ The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.
you can read the whole chapters in context, but we would have to define what a generation curse is and only very little sleep my brain just isn't up to it.
something about the rebellion of Korah...or the curse of Esau which were both from God not men.
The Lord did tell us to be perfect:
You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matt 5:48 RSV
The more perfect we are, the less trouble we see.
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perfect is referring to maturity in Christ and displaying the fruits of the Spirit not a state of "sinless perfection" to be obtained before death or the second coming of Christ.
no one has ever been sinless except Jesus and no one will be without His blood to cleanse them. though some are held blameless.
The Lord told us to repent of our sin. When we sin, we bring trouble into our lives. It’s best to resist the urge to sin.
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1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
James 1:12-14
New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
however it is good to remember these verses too:
Romans 8:26-28
New King James Version (NKJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us[a] with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
Romans 8:32-37
New King James Version (NKJV)
32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:
“ For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”[a]
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
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In reading these posts one thing came to mind.
The words Jesus spoke on the cross.
"Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."
God bless
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yes and if God forgives them, what stops us from following His example and do the same?
Generational curses or sin (GCS) is a total fabrication orchestrated by demons to keep believers living in guilt and condemnation and thinking that they need to be delivered from these in order to be free. What happens is that believers struggle with certain sins that they believe to be passed down from previous generations and actually start looking for these sins as curses that were dominate in their family's past and start doing what the scriptures forbid them to do in searching them out (Job 10:6, Ps 64:6, Prov 25:2). The only thing that God wants us to be occupied with in relationship to any form of sin, retro or otherwise, is that they have been crucified and put away through the blood of Christ.
Demons take advantage of this doctrine they have fabricated to keep believers and others in bondage to these forms of sin by getting the believer to take his eye off Christ and onto himself (Col 3:1,2). The letter of the law is legislated by those claiming to have spiritual discernment and used to reinforce and strengthen these forms of sin in the believer's life (1Cor 15:56). And through this legislated law of their own understanding and through the counsel of others that call themselves your friend (like they did with Job - Job 2:11), they get you to consider the depths of these sins through ungodly counsel (Job 42:7, Ps 1:1). Anyone can label a stronghold in the believer's life as a (GCS), and the believer has to admit to it because they are experiencing that stronghold, but that is identifying sin outside the cross and outside His death, burial and resurrection. What these so-called friends are doing through their legislated and spiritual understanding is giving ungodly counsel that imputes sin to those having problems with strongholds.
If a believer has a stronghold in their life that is bringing them into captivity to sin you don't charge them with a (GCS). Getting someone to admit to a stronghold of sin is not how you get them to overcome it. What you do is to get them in a place where they can hear the word of God on a daily basis and minister grace to them. They need to transformed by the renewing of their mind and that will not happen through spiritual legalism and ungodly counsel. They need a steady diet of what God thinks about them and what His thoughts are toward them. We are to magnify Christ and Him crucified through the word and the Spirit of life to deliver them from the body of sin and death. Jesus Christ never had a deliverance service for anyone with (GCS), but the masses came to Him and He healed them and when it came to the issue of sin, He preached the word and gave them the power of mercy and grace to walk in and be free from the captivity of sin.
Demons take advantage of this doctrine they have fabricated to keep believers and others in bondage to these forms of sin by getting the believer to take his eye off Christ and onto himself (Col 3:1,2). The letter of the law is legislated by those claiming to have spiritual discernment and used to reinforce and strengthen these forms of sin in the believer's life (1Cor 15:56). And through this legislated law of their own understanding and through the counsel of others that call themselves your friend (like they did with Job - Job 2:11), they get you to consider the depths of these sins through ungodly counsel (Job 42:7, Ps 1:1). Anyone can label a stronghold in the believer's life as a (GCS), and the believer has to admit to it because they are experiencing that stronghold, but that is identifying sin outside the cross and outside His death, burial and resurrection. What these so-called friends are doing through their legislated and spiritual understanding is giving ungodly counsel that imputes sin to those having problems with strongholds.
If a believer has a stronghold in their life that is bringing them into captivity to sin you don't charge them with a (GCS). Getting someone to admit to a stronghold of sin is not how you get them to overcome it. What you do is to get them in a place where they can hear the word of God on a daily basis and minister grace to them. They need to transformed by the renewing of their mind and that will not happen through spiritual legalism and ungodly counsel. They need a steady diet of what God thinks about them and what His thoughts are toward them. We are to magnify Christ and Him crucified through the word and the Spirit of life to deliver them from the body of sin and death. Jesus Christ never had a deliverance service for anyone with (GCS), but the masses came to Him and He healed them and when it came to the issue of sin, He preached the word and gave them the power of mercy and grace to walk in and be free from the captivity of sin.
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Something to think about. How can you expect someone to overcome a sin issue when they don't believe they have a sin issue, or worse, they believe that they can indulge in their sin without worry of judgement or penalty?
No need to answer, we've had simular discussions like this before and it doesn't accomplish anything other than people getting offended.
Just think about it for a while....
I have thought about it much and have put into practice what I believe to be true and have seen the fruit which is never had anything to do with sinless perfection but rather growing up into Christ.
The more you impart grace and knowledge of Christ into a believer's life the more the Holy Spirit has an opportunity to convict them in areas they need to be convicted so that they can grow up. It's like a child that errs because they don't have the knowledge or understanding needed and you tell them to stop, but they keep doing it despite your command. As you teach them, they begin to grow and understand and that area they err in comes to a place they are able to correct on their own because they can see the error and know what to do about it. It's the same with the believer as they grow as a child of God. If we keep harping on sin, even if we think it is warranted, it will backfire and actually strengthen them in their sin. So instead, we teach them and the Holy Spirit takes the word and brings it home at the right time to convict their heart and God gives them grace to make whatever needs to be corrected without any condemnation or probation. They have already been freely justified (made righteous) by grace and the blood of Christ and now they need to grow up and experience the life they have been given freely as they grow up into Him in all things.