Biblical Baptism in the Name of Jesus

[prophecyman]

As this subject is controversial, its certain that it will generate disputations. Be as it may the bible very clearly promotes the name of Jesus in baptism throughout the book of Acts.

But baptism is not a New Testament concept of purification, it is deeply rooted in Jewish practice and religious worship in the Old Testament as well.

When reading the Gospels many mainstream Christians fail to realize that they are reading the continued Old Testament, the proof of this is by the Apostle Pauls own statement in Heb. 9:17

For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

But I like the clarity of this verse in the NIV 1984

because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.

Jesus made this clear at the last supper when he said...

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

And so it is self evident that after his resurrection and before he ascended, that he made it clear to teach all nations baptizing them in the Name and thus concluding to observe whatsoever he had commanded.

The point is, is that Jesus commission baptism in the New testament, but that baptism was a regular practise prior to our Lords departure.

But notice that beforetime baptism was called the baptism of repentance, so named by the prophet John the Baptist, afterwards we find a command to repent and be baptize in the Name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38)

It is obvious that according to Matt. 26:28 that this is indeed the will of the Master, therefore anyone who denies his Name for the remission of sins in baptism, does not honor the will of the Master.

From my keyboard and to your eyes...

Prophecyman

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There were many ares of OT law which spoke of "baptizing" although it was not given this name (As Baptism is not really a word in and of itself, but a transliteration of a Greek word "baptizo".

We see it in the setting up of the priesthood. Where the priests where ceremoniously washed. We see it in ceremonial cleansing of utensils, either for the house of God or for other reasons. We also see it of gentiles. as a gentile had to be ceremonially washed in order to be granted access to Jewish tradition and be called a part of Gods people.

We also see from scripture that the children of Israel were "baptized" into Moses. which was a literal act of God placing the people under moses leadership. Where God led moses, the people went also. Thus they were placed into UNION with each other. Moses being the head.

We also see another term used in the OT, which was before the law, which also represented being "ceremonially cleansed" this was circumcision.

When John was sent out. things changed. Just as God used Moses and the act of baptizing Arron and his sons in the river Jordon to declare to the children of Isreal they were being set aside for the priesthood. God was now going to use John to baptize Jesus, declaring him to be the son of God who "removes the sin of the world' We also see the fact that John was baptizing everyone who declared to have repented (not just gentile or priest) He also demanded that they show proof of repentance before he would baptize them (brood of vipers) is what he called the pharisees who requested to be baptized also. But he knew had not repented.

But we also see John speak of another baptism, which is not physical in nature, but spiritual. John says, I indeed baptize in water (physical), but there comes one after me, He will baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire. He then goes on to explain what this spiritual baptism is,

Matthew 3:12
His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Here we see John speak of what jesus will do to gather the wheat (Children of God) into the barn (heaven) and also what he will do to the chaff (people who reject Christ) As they will be burned with a fire than shall never be quenched (hellfire)

As we go on. We see Jesus himself instituted baptism, again to all people who come to him. so this thousand year tradition continues, and this time it is for all people.

The problem we have is this.

John spoke of a baptism of the spirit. Which God will use to gather his wheat into the barn. Jesus spoke of a baptism of the HS, which would happen to all, we even see examples of it in acts ten. When Peter admits the gentiles had been baptized with the spirit also.

The word baptize itself is not an English word natively. It comes from a Greek word which means to immerse, plunge into, or place into. It is a verb, and doe snot have the word 'water" in its meaning. A greek would use this term if they were dying a garment, The garment was said to be "baptized" into the dye.

so we must interpret the word as it would have been interpreted by the original speakers of the language it was used. Thus when you see, "baptized into Christ" you would know Christ was the thing a person was being immersed, or placed into. Not water. Same with baptized into death and burial. It is the nouns which are the subject of the verb, not water.

When people make water "baptism" a pre-requisite for eternal life. They are misquoting and misusing scripture. and the word itself. Scripture says there is but one baptism. That baptism is spirit baptism. not water. Yes jesus tells us (even commands us) to be baptized in water in a ceremony of cleansing. But God himself is the one who baptizes us into Christ. it is this "spiritual cleansing" which makes us clean. and places us into the barn, as renewed, born again, children of God. (titus 3: 5) gather His wheat into the barn; but

 

[prophecyman]

Sorry don't agree with your statement... "When people make water "baptism" a pre-requisite for eternal life. They are misquoting and misusing scripture. "

The water, blood, and Spirit agree in one. Spirit baptism and water baptism and the remission of sins through the blood is the total process of the beginings of the Salvation process, the rest we would need to learn and grow in Christ.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

As this subject is controversial, its certain that it will generate disputations. Be as it may the bible very clearly promotes the name of Jesus in baptism throughout the book of Acts.

But baptism is not a New Testament concept of purification, it is deeply rooted in Jewish practice and religious worship in the Old Testament as well.

When reading the Gospels many mainstream Christians fail to realize that they are reading the continued Old Testament, the proof of this is by the Apostle Pauls own statement in Heb. 9:17

For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

But I like the clarity of this verse in the NIV 1984

because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living.

Jesus made this clear at the last supper when he said...

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

And so it is self evident that after his resurrection and before he ascended, that he made it clear to teach all nations baptizing them in the Name and thus concluding to observe whatsoever he had commanded.

The point is, is that Jesus commission baptism in the New testament, but that baptism was a regular practise prior to our Lords departure.

But notice that beforetime baptism was called the baptism of repentance, so named by the prophet John the Baptist, afterwards we find a command to repent and be baptize in the Name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38)

It is obvious that according to Matt. 26:28 that this is indeed the will of the Master, therefore anyone who denies his Name for the remission of sins in baptism, does not honor the will of the Master.

From my keyboard and to your eyes...

Prophecyman

Prophecyman:

Baptism in Acts in "the name of Jesus" is baptism in the authority of Jesus; and in Matthew's Gospel, Jesus Christ Himself commanded His Church how to baptize: He said "Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). To reject baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit IS to reject baptism in the name of Jesus.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[jimmydiggs]

Oneness Pentecostalism.

 

[Bloodwashed]

Oneness Pentecostalism.

Do you think they are saved? diggs!

 

[Grandpa]

Its more than just water baptism. I'm not even 100% sure it even refers to water baptism. It is a continual immersion in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. It is reading our bible, praying, abiding in Christ during tribulation, going to church, fellowshipping, etc. We don't just get dunked in water and say "Ok good. I'm saved now. Glad I got that out of the way..."

There are a lot of things in the world that try to draw us away from this baptism. The television, politics, philosophy, quest for money and material things, etc. Don't let it.

Matthew 20:22-23
22But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.


The Lord Jesus is talking about much more than being dunked in water when He talks of baptism.

 

[Laodicea]

Baptism is a symbol of death, burial and resurrection
Romans 6:3-4
(3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We need to die to self, bury self and have Christ live in us in a new life
1 Corinthians 15:31
(31) I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

 

[prophecyman]

Prophecyman:

Baptism in Acts in "the name of Jesus" is baptism in the authority of Jesus; and in Matthew's Gospel, Jesus Christ Himself commanded His Church how to baptize: He said "Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). To reject baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit IS to reject baptism in the name of Jesus.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Now where did saint Peter go Wrong in acts 2:38, Acts 4:12. Was Paul mistaken in Acts 19:1-6?

 

[prophecyman]

Oneness Pentecostalism.

YES! And I can just shout the house down, run the Church lanes, wave my white hanky for the victory, and do it all in the NAME OF JESUS

 

[prophecyman]

Baptism is a symbol of death, burial and resurrection
Romans 6:3-4
(3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We need to die to self, bury self and have Christ live in us in a new life
1 Corinthians 15:31
(31) I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

I agree! whatsover we do in word and in deed do all in the Name of the Lord Jesus

 

[SantoSubito]

I believe the Didache (written in 70 AD as a Pastoral manual to train clergy) is a good witness to Trinitarian Baptism. It reads: "Concerning baptism, baptize in this manner: Having said all these things beforehand, baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

 

[prophecyman]

I believe the Didache (written in 70 AD as a Pastoral manual to train clergy) is a good witness to Trinitarian Baptism. It reads: "Concerning baptism, baptize in this manner: Having said all these things beforehand, baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

Sorry that I don't find that in the bible, but did find that Matthew 28:19 orginally read...

Go and teach all nations baptizing them in my name, and the rest reads...

teaching them to obseve all things whatsoever I have commanded you, and lo I am with you even until the end of the age.

The above passage before 325 A.D.

 

[SantoSubito]

Sorry that I don't find that in the bible, but did find that Matthew 28:19 orginally read...

Go and teach all nations baptizing them in my name, and the rest reads...

teaching them to obseve all things whatsoever I have commanded you, and lo I am with you even until the end of the age.

The above passage before 325 A.D.

The "it's not in the Bible" was expected. But I find it odd that you're willing to accept a spurious reading of a passage, but not a scientifically dated document from the 1st Century commanding Christians (as Jesus does) to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Besides if someone was redacting the NT to insert trinitarian baptism then surely they would have redacted Acts as well.

 

[prophecyman]

The "it's not in the Bible" was expected. But I find it odd that you're willing to accept a spurious reading of a passage, but not a scientifically dated document from the 1st Century commanding Christians (as Jesus does) to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Besides if someone was redacting the NT to insert trinitarian baptism then surely they would have redacted Acts as well.

Both Joseph and Mary had divine instruction to call the Christ child Jesus, in the Heb. his name is Yeshua, and it means God is Salvation.

Baptism in the name of Jesus was not just in the authority of Jesus, but was for the remission of sins. Indeed the name is the authority for all power, yet I do not find anyone in the biblical text ever cast out devils by the authority, but the verbage was always in the name of Jesus.

I have cast out devils using the verbage... I command you in the name of Jesus to come out. I figure if its good enough to cast out devils, then its good enough to use in water baptism for the remission of sins.

And I find it strange that not one instance in the scripture ever speaks of any Apostle baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, but how many times do you suppose that you will find it in the name of Jesus?

The spurious statement that you spoke of, was not from such a spurious Church Father, as a matter of fact he was quoting from an earlier Greek text. Do you know who this Church Father was? Here's your clue... He was the one of the greatest Church historians that collected the scriptures and quotes of the Apostles and very early Church Father's.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sorry don't agree with your statement... "When people make water "baptism" a pre-requisite for eternal life. They are misquoting and misusing scripture. "

The water, blood, and Spirit agree in one. Spirit baptism and water baptism and the remission of sins through the blood is the total process of the beginings of the Salvation process, the rest we would need to learn and grow in Christ.

Sorry I don't agree with your interpretation.

John the baptist spoke of three baptisms.

water, spirit and fire.

Water baptism is ceremonial
Spirit baptism is spiritual
Fire baptism is eternal (this fire will never be quenched)

so which one do you want?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Its more than just water baptism. I'm not even 100% sure it even refers to water baptism. It is a continual immersion in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. It is reading our bible, praying, abiding in Christ during tribulation, going to church, fellowshipping, etc. We don't just get dunked in water and say "Ok good. I'm saved now. Glad I got that out of the way..."

There are a lot of things in the world that try to draw us away from this baptism. The television, politics, philosophy, quest for money and material things, etc. Don't let it.

Matthew 20:22-23
22But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.


The Lord Jesus is talking about much more than being dunked in water when He talks of baptism.

Amen.

1. He was not talking about his water baptism. He was talking baout his death on the cross.
2. He was asking them if they to could be "immersed" as he was going to be in the cross.
3. He told them they would be. This can only be done by God. (romans 6) No water is referenced in romans 6, period. and it should not be inserted where it is not referenced.

 

[SantoSubito]

Both Joseph and Mary had divine instruction to call the Christ child Jesus, in the Heb. his name is Yeshua, and it means God is Salvation.

Not really relevant

And I find it strange that not one instance in the scripture ever speaks of any Apostle baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, but how many times do you suppose that you will find it in the name of Jesus?

Theres tons of reasons why it may be shortened, the most likely being that they didn't want to waste extremely expensive Parchment.

The spurious statement that you spoke of, was not from such a spurious Church Father, as a matter of fact he was quoting from an earlier Greek text. Do you know who this Church Father was? Here's your clue... He was the one of the greatest Church historians that collected the scriptures and quotes of the Apostles and very early Church Father's.

Name the father, the work where he provides such a statement, and the quote itself.

 

[prophecyman]

Sorry I don't agree with your interpretation.

John the baptist spoke of three baptisms.

water, spirit and fire.

Water baptism is ceremonial
Spirit baptism is spiritual
Fire baptism is eternal (this fire will never be quenched)

so which one do you want?

Is it behind door #1, door #2 or door #3....

Sorry but your personal interpretation of three baptisms is indeed non-biblical, as there can only be one baptism, and that is water, Spirit/Fire and blood. Sounds strangely familiar... like an old testament means of sacrifice!

Eternally Gratefull, you are such a staunch contender, that I wouldn't mind you fighting in my corner. I trully admire your tenaciousness... LOL

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is it behind door #1, door #2 or door #3....

Sorry but your personal interpretation of three baptisms is indeed non-biblical, as there can only be one baptism, and that is water, Spirit/Fire and blood. Sounds strangely familiar... like an old testament means of sacrifice!

Eternally Gratefull, you are such a staunch contender, that I wouldn't mind you fighting in my corner. I trully admire your tenaciousness... LOL

Actually there are many baptisms.

Ceremonial washings, a jewish tradition.

A baptism into moses according to scripture

A baptism of the HS according to Christ, As well as a separate baptism into fire.
A baptism of john, and Christian baptism, all done in water. I could go on and on.

and your right there is one baptism, which saves. Not two, not three not four. One. Just like there is on Lord, not many, One gospel. not many.

so Which is it. Water or spirit? It can't be fire. because that fire will never be quenched. That can only be hell because according scripture, only the fire where the worm never dies is eternal.

ps. Thank you, I think..lol