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[eternally-gratefull]

What physical kingdom in the OT?

After all Christ has done, I can't imagine any other kingdom would ever come into this
Physical that's not His.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Well lets see, Rome held the kingdom for well over 1000 years. Then we had other kingdoms since then. which rules by the arm of the power of its might. And we have the kingdom of the us/england and its allies enforcing laws today (however not very well) as we still have evil tyrants like that in North Korea, China, Cuba and many other places.

if you think this is the kingdom God promised in the OT where the Whole world will bow to his will. I just don't know!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i also think babylon may have fallen already once...only to recover...before it falls again in the future...

I think you might have that mixed up with the final beast (rome) who fall, and will return again with greater power than it had before. Babylon sits on this beast. And get her power from it. Then at the end, the beast destroys her

 

[midwestbob]

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Looks like John thought he was in the kingdom of Christ while he was on Patmos, was John wrong?

1.Christ has not reigned since the first century. Far from it. Anyone who thinks Christ is reigning today with all the evil in the world I would question what they are thinking. When Christ reigns he will take an active role in society (all of it). he is not doing that now. he is patient allowing evil to go its course. This will not happen when he reigns.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
As the above verses show Christ reigns until He has put all His enemies under foot and then the end will come.. Just because Christ is reigning in this world does not mean it is a perfect world (or that He reigns over all kingdoms of this world,), that does not occur until He has succeeded by putting all His enemies under foot at which time “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

2. I will have to check the 1000 year thingy when I get home by looking in the greek.

G5507
χίλιοι
chilioi
khil'-ee-oy
Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand.

3. OT prophets prophesied of Christ setting up a literal kingdom on earth, with Christ reigning on the throne of David. His people (isreal) living in their land in peace. and the people who enslaved his people because of her sin, being under his rule, This has not happened yet.

And Christ does have a literal kingdom here on earth, all believers are part of that kingdom.
Rev 1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Notice that in both of the above verses the tense is past tense, not future. We are already reigning with Christ here on earth. This is not future it is already happening and has been since the first century. Remember Christ gave us the keys it was our job to manage the kingdom.
Mat 16:19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
We were given the keys but it appears that we have not done a very good job for much evil has been loosed. But fear not for Christ will return and straighten out the mess we have made and then all ”The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

4. Rev prophesies that at the end of the 1000 years. Another war will be attempted to break out. But God will destroy it before it even gets started. That is when 1 cor 15 will be fulfilled.

At the second coming which occurs at the end of the millennium (the time period we are living in now) Christ will have succeeded in putting all His enemies under foot and then “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

 

[shroom2]

...At the second coming which occurs at the end of the millennium (the time period we are living in now) Christ will have succeeded in putting all His enemies under foot and then “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation says Christ will return to fight Armageddon (Rev 19) THEN set up the millennial kingdom (Rev 20).

We are not living in the millennial kingdom now. If we are, and Christ is reigning now, he is doing a terrible job.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
As the above verses show Christ reigns until He has put all His enemies under foot and then the end will come.. Just because Christ is reigning in this world does not mean it is a perfect world (or that He reigns over all kingdoms of this world,), that does not occur until He has succeeded by putting all His enemies under foot at which time “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”


G5507
χίλιοι
chilioi
khil'-ee-oy
Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand.


And Christ does have a literal kingdom here on earth, all believers are part of that kingdom.
Rev 1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Notice that in both of the above verses the tense is past tense, not future. We are already reigning with Christ here on earth. This is not future it is already happening and has been since the first century. Remember Christ gave us the keys it was our job to manage the kingdom.
Mat 16:19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
We were given the keys but it appears that we have not done a very good job for much evil has been loosed. But fear not for Christ will return and straighten out the mess we have made and then all ”The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”


At the second coming which occurs at the end of the millennium (the time period we are living in now) Christ will have succeeded in putting all His enemies under foot and then “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

your time line is backwards.

1. Armageddon.
2. Christ return to destroy the armies of those who appose Jerusalem.
3. Christ reigns for 1000 years (again I will check when I get home. I have many greek lexicons. i want to explore all of them and see what is said.)
4. at the end of the 1000 years, satan is loosed, and another war is tried.(satan is not bound now. we see his influence and evil in many nations, including our own)
5. Jesus stops that war and triumphs over evil as this heaven and earth is destroyed.

 

[midwestbob]

your time line is backwards.

1. Armageddon.
2. Christ return to destroy the armies of those who appose Jerusalem.
3. Christ reigns for 1000 years (again I will check when I get home. I have many greek lexicons. i want to explore all of them and see what is said.)
4. at the end of the 1000 years, satan is loosed, and another war is tried.(satan is not bound now. we see his influence and evil in many nations, including our own)
5. Jesus stops that war and triumphs over evil as this heaven and earth is destroyed.

Sorry friend the timeline is right on the money. Remember we were given the keys we are the ones responsible for letting evil loose. (Mat16:19) There will be evil in this world until Christ returns and places all His enemies underfoot at which time "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Past tense friend we are already reigning it is not a future event. What is it you think we are reigning over now? And who are we reigning with?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sorry friend the timeline is right on the money. Remember we were given the keys we are the ones responsible for letting evil loose. (Mat16:19) There will be evil in this world until Christ returns and places all His enemies underfoot at which time "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Sorry friend. But it is not. unless we do not take literally the things John spoke of. and make the mistake of making an allegory of them.

We are not responsible for letting evil lose. Evil was lose long before Christ came, and it never stopped being on the loose.

Rev 1:6

And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Past tense friend we are already reigning it is not a future event. What is it you think we are reigning over now? And who are we reigning with?

Future tense my friend. We are not reigning with him now. But we shall

 

[2knowhim]

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

What is the one thing that a Literal king of the earth cannot reign over?......Sin.....That takes A Savoir, That takes Christ, and that is what He is Reigning over NOW, Within the person, one by one.


If Christ is not Reigning now IN YOU, then He is not your LORD or your
King, and that would explain alot, of why you still look for a future Kingdom, because you don't acknowledge it Within You, through Faith.

For where there is a KING, there must be a KINGDOM.

Your just like the Pharisees and Scribes "The Religious" of His Day
You expect Him to come, the way you think He will come.
And because of that your houses are desolate.

Because you still see evil in your midst, you say He could not possibly be Reigning now. You say because evil is still among you, Satan has not been bound, in this you do speak the truth, he is not been bound "in you". But he has in Many, And Christ does Reign Gloriously in us.

1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

The Book of Revelation, is a Spiritual Word and Work of What
Christ has done, Is doing, and shall continue to do, in His people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

What is the one thing that a Literal king of the earth cannot reign over?......Sin.....That takes A Savoir, That takes Christ, and that is what He is Reigning over NOW, Within the person, one by one.


If Christ is not Reigning now IN YOU, then He is not your LORD or your
King, and that would explain alot, of why you still look for a future Kingdom, because you don't acknowledge it Within You, through Faith.

For where there is a KING, there must be a KINGDOM.

Your just like the Pharisees and Scribes "The Religious" of His Day
You expect Him to come, the way you think He will come.
And because of that your houses are desolate.

Because you still see evil in your midst, you say He could not possibly be Reigning now. You say because evil is still among you, Satan has not been bound, in this you do speak the truth, he is not been bound "in you". But he has in Many, And Christ does Reign Gloriously in us.

1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

The Book of Revelation, is a Spiritual Word and Work of What
Christ has done, Is doing, and shall continue to do, in His people.

Did the OT not prophesy that Isreal would because of her sin be scatted among the Gentiles. And Gods salvation would be given to the gentiles?

Did not the OT say that God would roster Jerusalem, and the children of Israel back to her land. bringing them from all over the world where he had them scattered, and punishing these gentiles for their sins against his people?

Did not the OT prophesy of two things. The suffering servant, who would pay for the sins of the people (fulfilled by Christ on the cross) and a messiah who would"after the return and repentance of Israel" set up his kingdom with them?

There is a spiritual kingdom.

There is also a physical kingdom. Which Israel in her land and Jesus ruling for 1000 years. But as Paul said, The times of the gentile must come to an end after she has fallen as Israel did. And two, Israel repents.

forgive us if we take these prophesies literally. as well as the prophesies of John in which John explains how the literal fulfillment of these OT prophesies will take place.

 

[shroom2]

...The Book of Revelation, is a Spiritual Word and Work of What
Christ has done, Is doing, and shall continue to do, in His people.

It is much more than that.

Christ will return and there will be a literal 1000 year kingdom set up on earth.

You cannot spiritualize it all away.

 

[2knowhim]

It is much more than that.

Christ will return and there will be a literal 1000 year kingdom set up on earth.

You cannot spiritualize it all away.

Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

This is His Coming, there is no Second Advent like you think, it is not
Biblical, His Coming is Continuous, it is not a Second time Thing.
Or One big display as you discribe.

God is Spirit, His Word is Spirit, We are to Worship Him in Spirit.

You just keep waiting, we will enjoy the Blessings of the Kingdom
Now.

1,000 yrs. is symbolic for the life of the person, as it was for Adam,
and it is that nature that we Reign over with Christ, Now.

 

[Laodicea]

It is much more than that.

Christ will return and there will be a literal 1000 year kingdom set up on earth.

You cannot spiritualize it all away.

The 1000 years will be in heaven
John 14:2-3
(2) In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
(3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[shroom2]

Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

This is His Coming, there is no Second Advent like you think, it is not
Biblical, His Coming is Continuous, it is not a Second time Thing.
Or One big display as you discribe.

That is simply not true. Christ will literally return (first for the Christian church and later to forceably take back the earth from the control of the adversary) and set up the millennial kingdom. The bible is FULL of prophesy about it. Here is one:

Acts 1:11) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Christ's second coming will be a major event that nobody will miss.

God is Spirit, His Word is Spirit, We are to Worship Him in Spirit.

You just keep waiting, we will enjoy the Blessings of the Kingdom
Now.

The kingdom is not here now.

1,000 yrs. is symbolic for the life of the person, as it was for Adam,
and it is that nature that we Reign over with Christ, Now.

The thousand years is literal, and will happen. Count on it.

 

[shroom2]

The 1000 years will be in heaven
John 14:2-3
(2) In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
(3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The millennial kingdom will be on earth. This earth (although it will be reconditioned after armageddon).

The whole "swords into plowshares" thing, plenty of food, dwelling in safety, Christ ruling from Jerusalem, all point to the millennial kingdom being on earth.

 

[2knowhim]

Did the OT not prophesy that Isreal would because of her sin be scatted among the Gentiles. And Gods salvation would be given to the gentiles?

Did not the OT say that God would roster Jerusalem, and the children of Israel back to her land. bringing them from all over the world where he had them scattered, and punishing these gentiles for their sins against his people?

Did not the OT prophesy of two things. The suffering servant, who would pay for the sins of the people (fulfilled by Christ on the cross) and a messiah who would"after the return and repentance of Israel" set up his kingdom with them?

There is a spiritual kingdom.

There is also a physical kingdom. Which Israel in her land and Jesus ruling for 1000 years. But as Paul said, The times of the gentile must come to an end after she has fallen as Israel did. And two, Israel repents.

forgive us if we take these prophesies literally. as well as the prophesies of John in which John explains how the literal fulfillment of these OT prophesies will take place.

Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Don't you understand that Christ fulfilled "past tense" The Prophets and the Law?
What do you think UNTIL JOHN means?

Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Don't you understand that He is The Word, He is The Law, He is The prophets, He is The Two Witnesses, And when He died for 31/2 days
they lay dead in the street, Which is Spiritually Called Sodom and Egypt.

And Here is a Clue, Where our Lord was Crucified.

He is The Living Word, He is The Embodiment of The Law and The Prophets, and is Before the Throne of God.

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

 

[2knowhim]

Mat 10:23But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.



Did He lie? Or did He Come like He said He would?

 

[shroom2]

...Don't you understand that He is The Word, He is The Law, He is The prophets, He is The Two Witnesses, And when He died for 31/2 days
they lay dead in the street, Which is Spiritually Called Sodom and Egypt...

That is some very creative interpretation of scripture.

 

[2knowhim]

That is some very creative interpretation of scripture.

Discern Shroom, this is not from man, But the Holy Spirit, He is the one who
interprets The Word.

 

[shroom2]

Discern Shroom, this is not from man, But the Holy Spirit, He is the one who
interprets The Word.

Jesus Christ is not the two witnesses. The two witnesses will speak for God and about Christ, but they are not Christ. Revelation concerns events that will happen in the future.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong if you believe your understanding of Revelation comes from the Holy Spirit.

 

[2knowhim]

The millennial kingdom will be on earth. This earth (although it will be reconditioned after armageddon).

The whole "swords into plowshares" thing, plenty of food, dwelling in safety, Christ ruling from Jerusalem, all point to the millennial kingdom being on earth.

You got that right, for us who KNOW that He reigns in us, we have plenty of food, "The Bread of Life"
We have safety, Because if God be for us Who can be against us.
He does Rule from Jerusalem, For Jerusalem is Above and Mother of Us all.
And yes, we are on this Earth, while all of this is going on, that the world cannot see.