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A
I am assuming nothing. Verse 2 says the Earth became formless and void. So we know something happened to it. That's no assumption. It's just proper reading of Scripture.
That's just a private interpretation. The plain meaning of scripture in verse 1 is that in the beginning of time, God created the heaven and the earth. And that is all. Verse 2 then says, the Earth became a ruin, or formless and void. Something obviously happened between.
Notice that "generations" is PLURAL. Even this verse is indicated that there has been more than one iteration of the heavens and the earth.
Just an interesting tidbit. 
I was listening to another program about the age of the earth, what I found rather interesting is that the testing of rocks for age is not done on earth's rocks, but on meteors.
This is done because they cannot find a trully old rock as it is too hard to find.
As quoted by this program I watched.
Man can estimate and in science show many things, but the fact is, worldly fact is only a fact untill another disproves it or brings new facts.
As for me, I will rest in and trust the word of God.
God bless
pickles
I was listening to another program about the age of the earth, what I found rather interesting is that the testing of rocks for age is not done on earth's rocks, but on meteors.
This is done because they cannot find a trully old rock as it is too hard to find.
As quoted by this program I watched.
Man can estimate and in science show many things, but the fact is, worldly fact is only a fact untill another disproves it or brings new facts.
As for me, I will rest in and trust the word of God.
God bless
pickles
Just an interesting tidbit.
I was listening to another program about the age of the earth, what I found rather interesting is that the testing of rocks for age is not done on earth's rocks, but on meteors.
This is done because they cannot find a trully old rock as it is too hard to find.
As quoted by this program I watched.
Man can estimate and in science show many things, but the fact is, worldly fact is only a fact until another disproves it or brings new facts.
As for me, I will rest in and trust the word of God.
God bless
pickles
I was listening to another program about the age of the earth, what I found rather interesting is that the testing of rocks for age is not done on earth's rocks, but on meteors.
This is done because they cannot find a trully old rock as it is too hard to find.
As quoted by this program I watched.
Man can estimate and in science show many things, but the fact is, worldly fact is only a fact until another disproves it or brings new facts.
As for me, I will rest in and trust the word of God.
God bless
pickles
What show were you watching? That info is not true. It is partly true as they use material from space to try and get a better idea of the exact age....but to say we haven't found any old rocks here?
"Ancient rocks exceeding 3.5 billion years in age are found on all of Earth's continents. The oldest rocks on Earth found so far are the Acasta Gneisses in northwestern Canada near Great Slave Lake (4.03 Ga) and the Isua Supracrustal rocks in West Greenland (3.7 to 3.8 Ga), but well-studied rocks nearly as old are also found in the Minnesota River Valley and northern Michigan (3.5-3.7 billion years), in Swaziland (3.4-3.5 billion years), and in Western Australia (3.4-3.6 billion years). These ancient rocks have been dated by a number of radiometric dating methods and the consistency of the results give scientists confidence that the ages are correct to within a few percent."
L
You are right that God does not create anything bad and what makes you think that being without form and void is bad? When God first created the earth it was covered by water. The land did not appear until day the 3rd day.
Genesis 1:2
(2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis 1:6-7
(6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
(7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Genesis 1:9
(9) And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Genesis 1:2
(2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis 1:6-7
(6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
(7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Genesis 1:9
(9) And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
C
Without form
H8414
תּהוּ
tôhû
to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
Void
H922
בּהוּ
bôhû
bo'-hoo
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.
Those two definitions dont exactly scream out "good" to me.
H8414
תּהוּ
tôhû
to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
Void
H922
בּהוּ
bôhû
bo'-hoo
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.
Those two definitions dont exactly scream out "good" to me.
C
tohu used in the bible
Genesis 1:2: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."
Deuteronomy 32:10: "He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed"
1 Samuel 12:21: "And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit"
1 Samuel 12:21: "nor deliver; for they are vain."
Job 6:18: "of their way are turned aside; they go to nothing, and perish."
Job 12:24: "of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way."
Job 26:7: "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."
Psalms 107:40: "upon princes, and causeth them to wander in the wilderness, where there is no way."
Isaiah 24:10: "The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in."
Isaiah 29:21: "for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of naught."
Isaiah 34:11: "in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness."
Isaiah 40:17: "him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity."
Isaiah 40:23: "he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity."
Isaiah 41:29: "are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion."
Isaiah 44:9: "They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they"
Isaiah 45:18: "hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD;"
Isaiah 45:19: "unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness,"
Isaiah 49:4: "in vain, I have spent my strength for naught, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with"
Isaiah 59:4: "for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief,"
Jeremiah 4:23: "the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."
bohu used in the bible
Genesis 1:2: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."
Isaiah 34:11: "it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness."
Jeremiah 4:23: "the earth, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."
Genesis 1:2: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."
Deuteronomy 32:10: "He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed"
1 Samuel 12:21: "And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit"
1 Samuel 12:21: "nor deliver; for they are vain."
Job 6:18: "of their way are turned aside; they go to nothing, and perish."
Job 12:24: "of the people of the earth, and causeth them to wander in a wilderness where there is no way."
Job 26:7: "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."
Psalms 107:40: "upon princes, and causeth them to wander in the wilderness, where there is no way."
Isaiah 24:10: "The city of confusion is broken down: every house is shut up, that no man may come in."
Isaiah 29:21: "for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of naught."
Isaiah 34:11: "in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness."
Isaiah 40:17: "him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity."
Isaiah 40:23: "he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity."
Isaiah 41:29: "are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion."
Isaiah 44:9: "They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they"
Isaiah 45:18: "hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD;"
Isaiah 45:19: "unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness,"
Isaiah 49:4: "in vain, I have spent my strength for naught, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with"
Isaiah 59:4: "for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief,"
Jeremiah 4:23: "the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."
bohu used in the bible
Genesis 1:2: "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep."
Isaiah 34:11: "it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness."
Jeremiah 4:23: "the earth, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light."
L
What matters is what the Bible says, and the earth was covered in water on day 1. The earth had no form, there was no land, no trees or animals or anything just a world covered by water, and when Jesus returns the earth will go back to its original state.
Jeremiah 4:23-26
(23) I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
(24) I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
(25) I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
(26) I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Revelation 20:1
(1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
G12
ἄβυσσος
abussos
ab'-us-sos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of G1037; depthless, that is, (specifically), (infernal) “abyss”: - deep, (bottomless) pit.
Notice that bottomless pit can be translated as deep which is found in Genesis 1:2. At the flood the earth went back to its original state, it was covered by water.
Jeremiah 4:23-26
(23) I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
(24) I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
(25) I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
(26) I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Revelation 20:1
(1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
G12
ἄβυσσος
abussos
ab'-us-sos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of G1037; depthless, that is, (specifically), (infernal) “abyss”: - deep, (bottomless) pit.
Notice that bottomless pit can be translated as deep which is found in Genesis 1:2. At the flood the earth went back to its original state, it was covered by water.
A
1. "Deep" in the New Testament is GREEK, not Hebrew, which it is verse 1:2.
2. The passage from Jeremiah you cite -- you are interpreting it out of context. It is a prophetic passage. It is not looking back to the flood.
3. You still are ignoring the fact that in verse 1:2 it says the Earth became formless and void. It was not made that way.
2. The passage from Jeremiah you cite -- you are interpreting it out of context. It is a prophetic passage. It is not looking back to the flood.
3. You still are ignoring the fact that in verse 1:2 it says the Earth became formless and void. It was not made that way.
R
the instances of the verb in genesis 1 make sense when read either way...as 'was' or 'became'...there is nothing decisive in this chapter...that is why i went to chapter two...where translating it as 'because' -does- result in an error...
and the hebrew text of genesis 2:25 -does- include the same verb as genesis 1:2 that we are debating...here is the verse quoted from my hebrew bible...the translation of each word is in parentheses...
genesis 2:25..."wa'yihyu (and they were) shneihem (both of them) 'arumim (naked) ha'adam (the man) w'ishto (and his wife) w'lo (and not) yithboshashu (ashamed)"
yihyu in genesis 2:25 is the same verb as hayithah in genesis 1:2...the past tense of hayah or 'to be'...hayithah is the third person feminine conjugation and yihyu is the third person plural conjugation
so the verb clearly means 'was/were' and not 'became' in genesis 2:25...since adam and eve did not -become- naked but rather they -were- naked...and it is reasonable to assume it means 'was/were' and not 'became' in genesis 1:2 also...
like i said...this issue is a matter of basic hebrew...and you are getting your basic hebrew completely wrong...it seems like you just don't know what you are talking about
the extinction level event that paleontologists believe happened at the end of the pleistocene epoch was actually pretty minor compared to the ones at the end of the permian and cretaceous and several others...just how many 'gaps' are you willing to force into the bible?
and if science is just playing catch up...then why was the gap theory invented in the 1800s -after- the secular notion of a very old earth became popular? it is obvious that the gap theory was an adaptation to fit secular science into the bible...
since you are continuing to make the claim...show me one secular scientist who claims that the earth was totally covered in darkness at the end of the pleistocene epoch and needed to be relighted to restore the cycle of day and night...and show me one who claims that the late pleistocene earth was totally covered with water that needed to be gathered to expose dry land again...and show me one who claims that all of the green plants and fish and birds went extinct at the end of the pleistocene epoch and had to be recreated...
like i said before...you are mangling both scripture and science all for the sake of a -pagan- notion of multiple creations separated by catastrophes...
and the hebrew text of genesis 2:25 -does- include the same verb as genesis 1:2 that we are debating...here is the verse quoted from my hebrew bible...the translation of each word is in parentheses...
genesis 2:25..."wa'yihyu (and they were) shneihem (both of them) 'arumim (naked) ha'adam (the man) w'ishto (and his wife) w'lo (and not) yithboshashu (ashamed)"
yihyu in genesis 2:25 is the same verb as hayithah in genesis 1:2...the past tense of hayah or 'to be'...hayithah is the third person feminine conjugation and yihyu is the third person plural conjugation
so the verb clearly means 'was/were' and not 'became' in genesis 2:25...since adam and eve did not -become- naked but rather they -were- naked...and it is reasonable to assume it means 'was/were' and not 'became' in genesis 1:2 also...
like i said...this issue is a matter of basic hebrew...and you are getting your basic hebrew completely wrong...it seems like you just don't know what you are talking about
the extinction level event that paleontologists believe happened at the end of the pleistocene epoch was actually pretty minor compared to the ones at the end of the permian and cretaceous and several others...just how many 'gaps' are you willing to force into the bible?
and if science is just playing catch up...then why was the gap theory invented in the 1800s -after- the secular notion of a very old earth became popular? it is obvious that the gap theory was an adaptation to fit secular science into the bible...
since you are continuing to make the claim...show me one secular scientist who claims that the earth was totally covered in darkness at the end of the pleistocene epoch and needed to be relighted to restore the cycle of day and night...and show me one who claims that the late pleistocene earth was totally covered with water that needed to be gathered to expose dry land again...and show me one who claims that all of the green plants and fish and birds went extinct at the end of the pleistocene epoch and had to be recreated...
like i said before...you are mangling both scripture and science all for the sake of a -pagan- notion of multiple creations separated by catastrophes...