What do you think about Narnia? is it demonic?
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I think the thread as affirmed the fact that the lies, deception is so rooted, that people will defend something that they enjoy even if you tell them it is misleading.
If something is popular, then it is everyone who speaks against it that is wrong/crazy, i think it sums up people of today.
I think the Bible warns of things to come and people have not noticed them.
I do not gain anything from telling you the truth, I wanted you to see that YAHWEH wants to put the light on the deception.
YAHWEH deserves praise,obedience, love.
who on earth is cs lewis?
why do you feel the need to defend him?
Why not search the scriptures for yourself.
YESHUA is our Saviour, YAHWEH gave us a redeemer, there is no need to read pagan stories, on the assumption that it is referring to the Bible.
When someone is using abominable ways to lead you to the Bible they are not accepting the truth of YAHWEH.
They are making their own idea come to life and corrupting others along the way.
If something is popular, then it is everyone who speaks against it that is wrong/crazy, i think it sums up people of today.
I think the Bible warns of things to come and people have not noticed them.
I do not gain anything from telling you the truth, I wanted you to see that YAHWEH wants to put the light on the deception.
YAHWEH deserves praise,obedience, love.
who on earth is cs lewis?
why do you feel the need to defend him?
Why not search the scriptures for yourself.
YESHUA is our Saviour, YAHWEH gave us a redeemer, there is no need to read pagan stories, on the assumption that it is referring to the Bible.
When someone is using abominable ways to lead you to the Bible they are not accepting the truth of YAHWEH.
They are making their own idea come to life and corrupting others along the way.
It's not the point of defending cs lewis or popular story called as narnia just like that.
It's about defending the right for people of thinking their own
Calling narnia as pagan story is not right. Narnia have borrowed the elements used in paganism but it's not pagan story itself.
What's colliding in this thread is two diffrent ways of thinking. one saying that we should stay away everything with certain types, like pagan origin elements or things called as magic and others that says that name don't make things bad but the content.
By content I mean the meaning of the words and "items" told. You CAN call magic that when you are lighting a match but all of us know it's not really magic. But similar way done couple of hundred years ago it WAS. (or was it)
In narnia or many other books in same cathegory there are characters and things not from christian origin, does that make them and the whole story/stories demonic if they happen to be popular? They are fairy tale characters just like western Santa Claus, which to my understanding is far more pagan than narnia.
It's about defending the right for people of thinking their own
Calling narnia as pagan story is not right. Narnia have borrowed the elements used in paganism but it's not pagan story itself.
What's colliding in this thread is two diffrent ways of thinking. one saying that we should stay away everything with certain types, like pagan origin elements or things called as magic and others that says that name don't make things bad but the content.
By content I mean the meaning of the words and "items" told. You CAN call magic that when you are lighting a match but all of us know it's not really magic. But similar way done couple of hundred years ago it WAS. (or was it)
In narnia or many other books in same cathegory there are characters and things not from christian origin, does that make them and the whole story/stories demonic if they happen to be popular? They are fairy tale characters just like western Santa Claus, which to my understanding is far more pagan than narnia.
C
I read all the 7 books and also watch the movie and there's no problem with that book it's just only represents christian symbolism like Aslan the Lion who rules Narnia, was an analogy for Jesus,throughout the Narnia series it is stated that Aslan "is not a tame lion" and He is powerful.Aslan has magical authority both temporal and spiritual.Aslan's country eventually encompasses heaven. The group has died but Aslan's country (Heaven) is more real than the Shadowlands (earth).But that's only a fantasy!If u don't like the fantasy or fictions then don't read it.!This book is one that can be read by all Christians or non-christians who are interested in Lewis’ insightful writings and those searching for material relevant to life after death.Although there are scriptural quotations on heaven and hell throughout the book, there is no chapter devoted specifically to a biblical examination of heaven and hell.Overall, I found this book to be enjoyable and thought-provoking. It gives insight into C.S Lewis brilliant mind and turns our attention anew to the wonder of heaven and the awfulness of hell.
R
It can only BE misleading if it LEADS someone to the wrong thing.
Reading it, enjoying it, appreciating the Christian themes doesn't mean the reader has been duped into believing in false gods or worshiping in a false religion.
The writer of the website you linked to was obviously misled, since it lead them to dark things. Do not assume everyone who reads it will be sucked into some nonsense since clearly they are the exception and not the rule.
What I don't understand is why you insist on not only demonizing the books you haven't read, but those who HAVE read them. You lack authority here.
Reading it, enjoying it, appreciating the Christian themes doesn't mean the reader has been duped into believing in false gods or worshiping in a false religion.
The writer of the website you linked to was obviously misled, since it lead them to dark things. Do not assume everyone who reads it will be sucked into some nonsense since clearly they are the exception and not the rule.
What I don't understand is why you insist on not only demonizing the books you haven't read, but those who HAVE read them. You lack authority here.
In no way do i demonize people who have read them, I am concerned for fellow men.
I never wanted"authority", I do not offer any alternative that benefits myself.
All I have suggested is that you search the Bible for yourselves. Do not entertain man's ideas.
What seems to be harmless is against what Yahweh expects of us.
Narnia was one example, because there is too many false claims made about it regarding "Christianity".
If cs lewis was one of the great writers of our time, then that is a red flag.
If you have read them, this is not meant to condemn you, this is just a wake up call.
We all have been deceived....
C
Loveme1 you need to stop.
This is the most drawn out nasty pathetic thread Ive ever seen. What do you think your going to achieve by letting this go on? If people disagree with you, theyre not going to change, because they don't know you in person, so your lecturing on what could or could not be demonic is a waste of time. If you've got a problem with Narnia, lay a complaint to CS Lewis organisation or talk to your church about it.
You're acting as if this is your comfort blanket. And it looks like a nasty addiction of wanting to be right more than wanting to edify and encourage and even debate in a godly manner.
Give it up.
Everyone else, stop responding to this post, your only encouraging her annoying escapade!
This is the most drawn out nasty pathetic thread Ive ever seen. What do you think your going to achieve by letting this go on? If people disagree with you, theyre not going to change, because they don't know you in person, so your lecturing on what could or could not be demonic is a waste of time. If you've got a problem with Narnia, lay a complaint to CS Lewis organisation or talk to your church about it.
You're acting as if this is your comfort blanket. And it looks like a nasty addiction of wanting to be right more than wanting to edify and encourage and even debate in a godly manner.
Give it up.
Everyone else, stop responding to this post, your only encouraging her annoying escapade!
It is not about me being right.... Who am I?
What comfort will i get?
This is nothing to do with me, this is about the Truth!
And I agree the post is being drawn out, but I am not concerned by your anger toward me.
If ever i do you wrong feel free to rant, but I have done no such thing to anyone.
There may be a day when you realize that i was only coming in Good Faith.
May Yahweh bless that day upon you soon.
What comfort will i get?
This is nothing to do with me, this is about the Truth!
And I agree the post is being drawn out, but I am not concerned by your anger toward me.
If ever i do you wrong feel free to rant, but I have done no such thing to anyone.
There may be a day when you realize that i was only coming in Good Faith.
May Yahweh bless that day upon you soon.
G
Friend, please read and understand. This entire thread you are looking at is indeed your heart. You took a bullet, loaded it in a gun, and put out some "bait". Do you not see that? Did you pose a statement, "I read these novels and I disagree with the way they deal with ____________." You did not. In fact, there is not one single posit within the post, just a topic to be debated. But not really.
But...you had clear intentions, trolling, as visible by your immediate and subsequent posts following your starter. Of course, your overt use of YAHWEH and YESHUA is clearly another blatant example of trolling. Obviously, Father God and Son Jesus is another fable that has been sold to us.
To be honest I only just visited that link. Notice you originally suggested "you may" want to visit the link. I did not. I would venture I was not the only one. I can entirely see the point of view of Sorensen the author and I also find a few points of contention within it.
In the future, I'd start a post like this as such. Or, end this thread and start a new one in true repentance.
"We are always told to be vigilant and I just came across a link that made me think about TCON by C.S. Lewis in a whole new way. After reading, thinking, and praying about the link I am changing my point of view here. Anyone else think that too?"
I apologize, but also felt led to direct you back to your intentions. May God bless you.
But...you had clear intentions, trolling, as visible by your immediate and subsequent posts following your starter. Of course, your overt use of YAHWEH and YESHUA is clearly another blatant example of trolling. Obviously, Father God and Son Jesus is another fable that has been sold to us.
To be honest I only just visited that link. Notice you originally suggested "you may" want to visit the link. I did not. I would venture I was not the only one. I can entirely see the point of view of Sorensen the author and I also find a few points of contention within it.
In the future, I'd start a post like this as such. Or, end this thread and start a new one in true repentance.
"We are always told to be vigilant and I just came across a link that made me think about TCON by C.S. Lewis in a whole new way. After reading, thinking, and praying about the link I am changing my point of view here. Anyone else think that too?"
I apologize, but also felt led to direct you back to your intentions. May God bless you.
Read the Bible carefully, when I say the Bible has elements of fantasy in it, I am not meaning to insult God's word or say it is not true, I believe the Bible is true, most of it, but what I mean is there are fantastic images in the Bible, like the images of cherubim, seraphim, angels, heaven, demons, dragons, heaven and hell, read Ezekiel, Daniel, Revelations, the books with fantastic descriptions of out of this world beings, heavenly and hellish, Satan is described as being a "prowling lion that goes about roaring seeking whoever he may devour"
BUT Jesus Christ is described as the Lion of Judah and the Lion and the Lamb.
It's like this, there is the false lion, Satan, who rules through witches like the white witch, who is a usurper, false queen since she really does not have the right to rule Narnia, she is a tyrant and imposter.
Aslan, the true Lion King, is Jesus Christ, the Lion of Judah, Lion and Lamb. Aslan goes through a grisly sacrifice and comes back to life because of his self-sacrifice and willingness to suffer and die for someone else.
Aslan eventually wins the battle against the wicked witch that represents Satan
BUT Jesus Christ is described as the Lion of Judah and the Lion and the Lamb.
It's like this, there is the false lion, Satan, who rules through witches like the white witch, who is a usurper, false queen since she really does not have the right to rule Narnia, she is a tyrant and imposter.
Aslan, the true Lion King, is Jesus Christ, the Lion of Judah, Lion and Lamb. Aslan goes through a grisly sacrifice and comes back to life because of his self-sacrifice and willingness to suffer and die for someone else.
Aslan eventually wins the battle against the wicked witch that represents Satan
I am not trolling with anyone! Are you for real?
I have been shouted at, insulted and not once reacted aggressively.
I have replied accordingly to people that posted in a thread that I started.
I have been attacked and did not attack back, and I am trolling?
The truth is the truth, even if people disagree with it.
Not one of you could reply to the quote from mere Christianity!
So instead you continue to accuse me.....
I had a dream about using correct names, otherwise you are not referring to the person, that happened after this thread was started that is why I have started using Yahweh and Yeshua.(that is a personal revelation) I do not need anyone's thoughts on that.
I offered a different prospective and that was not accepted, so the thread continued...
You are attacking the wrong person, yet it is to be expected, and some of us will stand up to Glorify our Heavenly Father, and speak of Salvation through the Messiah.
I forgive you all because I once was deceived too.
I have been shouted at, insulted and not once reacted aggressively.
I have replied accordingly to people that posted in a thread that I started.
I have been attacked and did not attack back, and I am trolling?
The truth is the truth, even if people disagree with it.
Not one of you could reply to the quote from mere Christianity!
So instead you continue to accuse me.....
I had a dream about using correct names, otherwise you are not referring to the person, that happened after this thread was started that is why I have started using Yahweh and Yeshua.(that is a personal revelation) I do not need anyone's thoughts on that.
I offered a different prospective and that was not accepted, so the thread continued...
You are attacking the wrong person, yet it is to be expected, and some of us will stand up to Glorify our Heavenly Father, and speak of Salvation through the Messiah.
I forgive you all because I once was deceived too.
For our loving Yahweh to have to kill his own creation, those people must of been very wicked.
Heavenly Father knows best, and if he said it needed to be done then it needed to be done.
I trust in my Heavenly father and nothing he does is wrong, he can not do wrong for he is Almighty.
Salvation was created through our Heavenly Father, it was he that gave us Yeshua.
When Abraham offered Isaac, he showed our Heavenly Father that he trusted him.
Heavenly Father, said no it is okay, but was pleased that Abraham would sacrifice his son.
Heavenly Father, already knew that he would sacrifice his own son for us.
That is how loving Yahweh is, he gave us his only son for Salvation.
Abraham was to be the root of that salvation, and that is why the chosen one's were to keep all that Yahweh commanded.
When you read the Messiah Yeshua words you hear that.
Jewish people were chosen by Yahweh to bring his son the Messiah into the world, so that we can all be redeemed.
The chosen one's were eating un risen bread, yet the true bread of life was risen and that is Yeshua our Saviour.
It is all there written in the Bible.
G
I am indeed for real. I am a real sinner and I am saved daily by Jesus Christ. Message boards are certainly not good vehicles in these situations and for that I do apologize.
The trolling comment was unnecessary and I ask for your forgiveness. I hate my own pride as it creeps up behind me constantly. And it isn't easy even though I am always striving for humility. Easier said than done right! That often means giving up the ground you're standing on.
I am ever cognizant of James' strong warnings against the tongue and often find myself weary of what I may have typed. My hope is that I will use this site to focus on typing blessings rather than curses. Well, unless it gets into heavy theological debate!
The trolling comment was unnecessary and I ask for your forgiveness. I hate my own pride as it creeps up behind me constantly. And it isn't easy even though I am always striving for humility. Easier said than done right! That often means giving up the ground you're standing on.
I am ever cognizant of James' strong warnings against the tongue and often find myself weary of what I may have typed. My hope is that I will use this site to focus on typing blessings rather than curses. Well, unless it gets into heavy theological debate!
I am indeed for real. I am a real sinner and I am saved daily by Jesus Christ. Message boards are certainly not good vehicles in these situations and for that I do apologize.
The trolling comment was unnecessary and I ask for your forgiveness. I hate my own pride as it creeps up behind me constantly. And it isn't easy even though I am always striving for humility. Easier said than done right! That often means giving up the ground you're standing on.
I am ever cognizant of James' strong warnings against the tongue and often find myself weary of what I may have typed. My hope is that I will use this site to focus on typing blessings rather than curses. Well, unless it gets into heavy theological debate!
The trolling comment was unnecessary and I ask for your forgiveness. I hate my own pride as it creeps up behind me constantly. And it isn't easy even though I am always striving for humility. Easier said than done right! That often means giving up the ground you're standing on.
I am ever cognizant of James' strong warnings against the tongue and often find myself weary of what I may have typed. My hope is that I will use this site to focus on typing blessings rather than curses. Well, unless it gets into heavy theological debate!
I have nothing to forgive you for... this was never about me.
The Truth remains the Truth, even if we believe the lies.
The Truth remains the truth, even if you call me crazy....
G
We do need to be held responsible for our words. Please review your post above. Understand that your use of second person voice is clearly directed "somewhere", and you intimate that I attacked.
Therefore, as as a brother in Christ, I apologized. I did this because I realizes that I had been too harsh. If you do not forgive me, you do us both a grave injustice. Romans 12:3 calls us to maintain sober minds....please, let us.
Luke 17:3-4 "Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”
Therefore, as as a brother in Christ, I apologized. I did this because I realizes that I had been too harsh. If you do not forgive me, you do us both a grave injustice. Romans 12:3 calls us to maintain sober minds....please, let us.
Luke 17:3-4 "Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him.”
