Mary as the mother of God?

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dscherck

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Do you know that they wont even let my children use Wikipedia as a reference for school because of all the errors. How about some Bible references that explain your position?
Luke 1:43 has a perfect example. Mary's cousin Elizabeth exclaims her joy that the "mother of my LORD" has come to visit her. The term used for "Lord" in that verse is the same one used for God.

Matt. 2:11 is also quite clear. They see the child (Jesus, who IS God) with HIS mother. Who is this mother of Jesus? Mary. And again, who is Jesus? God.

Mary can be the mother of Jesus without being the mother of God.
No, she cannot. Either Jesus is God or He isn't. If you say that Mary is not the mother of God, then you're saying that Jesus isn't God. You're not a mother to just a portion of someone. You're the mother to a person. Mary is the mother of the person, Jesus. That person IS God.

She was a pure womb to carry the son of God.
She's a bit more than that. She not only was there at the very beginning of His ministry, her intercession actually prompted Him to start it early. And she was there to the very end, standing at the foot of His cross.

She should not be worshiped as God. Nowhere in the world do we worship the mother of some person we admire. And Jesus is so much more than a person

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I agree that she should not be worshiped as God. Fortunately, the Catholic Church does not, will not, and has never done that.
 
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Tobby17

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If Mary is the *mother of God*, somewhere in the bible when Mary asked how she would get pregnant, the angel told her that the Holy Spirit would overshadow her right and she would get pregnant...

So practically we can say Hail the Holy Spirit *Father of God*....
 

Grandpa

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Luke 1:43 has a perfect example. Mary's cousin Elizabeth exclaims her joy that the "mother of my LORD" has come to visit her. The term used for "Lord" in that verse is the same one used for God.

Matt. 2:11 is also quite clear. They see the child (Jesus, who IS God) with HIS mother. Who is this mother of Jesus? Mary. And again, who is Jesus? God.



No, she cannot. Either Jesus is God or He isn't. If you say that Mary is not the mother of God, then you're saying that Jesus isn't God. You're not a mother to just a portion of someone. You're the mother to a person. Mary is the mother of the person, Jesus. That person IS God.



She's a bit more than that. She not only was there at the very beginning of His ministry, her intercession actually prompted Him to start it early. And she was there to the very end, standing at the foot of His cross.


I agree that she should not be worshiped as God. Fortunately, the Catholic Church does not, will not, and has never done that.

Mother of my Lord, I have no problem with.

Mother of the Lord, I have no problem with.

Mother of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, still no problem.

Mother of God... Problemos Senior, Mucho Problemos...
 

dscherck

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Mother of my Lord, I have no problem with.

Mother of the Lord, I have no problem with.

Mother of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, still no problem.

Mother of God... Problemos Senior, Mucho Problemos...
You realize that the first two titles, are literally the exact same thing as the last sentence. If you don't have a problem with the first two, then you shouldn't have a problem with the last one.
 
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dishchat

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Mary is not the mother of God because God has no begining and no ending.
 

Grandpa

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You realize that the first two titles, are literally the exact same thing as the last sentence. If you don't have a problem with the first two, then you shouldn't have a problem with the last one.

I suppose if you didn't pray to her maybe I could let it slide...

But seeing how the title insinuates something that is not true, the praying to her just backs up that insinuation with action.

You know what I'm saying?
 

dscherck

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I suppose if you didn't pray to her maybe I could let it slide...

But seeing how the title insinuates something that is not true, the praying to her just backs up that insinuation with action.

You know what I'm saying?
What isn't true? That her Son is God?

And there are many other denominations who view our honour of the Virgin similar to you, but they have no qualms with the title of "Mother of God". In fact, I first learned the title when visiting my grandma at her Southern Baptist church as a young child.
 
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SantoSubito

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I suppose if you didn't pray to her maybe I could let it slide...

But seeing how the title insinuates something that is not true, the praying to her just backs up that insinuation with action.

You know what I'm saying?
Mother of the Lord insinuates basically the same thing (but what it's insinuating I have no idea). But as dschereck said there are a number of Protestant denominations that recognize the title "Mother of God" but don't venerate the Saints; like Anglicans, Lutherans, and various branches of Calvinism.
 

Dude653

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uhh,,,,if God had a mother...wouldnt she be God??
 
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dmdave17

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This "discussion" has taken many forms throughout this site but the quick answer would be. Mary was the mother of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was God on earth ("Immanuel"). Therefore, Mary was the mother of God (on earth).
 
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SantoSubito

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uhh,,,,if God had a mother...wouldnt she be God??
Only if we're in the business of not using logic. Jesus is God incarnate in the flesh, Mary gave birth to Jesus, therefore Mary is the Mother of God. Pretty simple, and I'm starting to think a lot of y'all are intentionally playing dumb when it comes to this title, because I've seen five year olds understand it without confusion.
 
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Only if we're in the business of not using logic. Jesus is God incarnate in the flesh, Mary gave birth to Jesus, therefore Mary is the Mother of God. Pretty simple, and I'm starting to think a lot of y'all are intentionally playing dumb when it comes to this title, because I've seen five year olds understand it without confusion.

hmmm, mother of Jesus as Jesus had not yet been glorified, so thats a curve ball to say she is Gods mother.
anyway, love you all regardless - thats grace at work in my life:)
 
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SantoSubito

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hmmm, mother of Jesus as Jesus had not yet been glorified, so thats a curve ball to say she is Gods mother.
anyway, love you all regardless - thats grace at work in my life:)
Christ has always been God, and was fully God and fully man from the moment of His conception, so no curve ball there.
 
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Not related to the topic at hand. In fact that is an attempt to derail the discussion by trying to get us to respond to all Marian dogmas rather than one we're discussing (minus the deity one of course, since that is not Catholic dogma). Try sticking to the actual topic, and If you don't have an argument to present don't turn to trying to divert attention to other topics.



It shows up between 100-199 AD (2nd century), which makes sense since in order to venerate Saints you actually need Saints. But it appears to have come into being possibly earlier since the veneration of the Saints was already prevalent by the time of Polycarp's martyrdom (155 AD), because his bones were taken to be venerated.



We don't say Mary is a deity and neither does a single shred of Catholic doctrine or dogma. Basically I'm not entirely surprised there isn't much in the Bible about Mary since John was the only apostle likely to have outlived her. Of course everything isn't in the Bible anyway.

santo brother, i respond as i feel lead bro, not to dis rail but to add, please keep your judgement to yourself as to why i do anything please. its why its a forum.

And my post is in line with the thread topic thanks,sorry if it offends you not my intent.

So what your saying is there is no mention of mary in scripture because only John knew her?? God couldnt make mention of her in scripture being elevated because He didnt know she would or what?? Bit perplexing of a explanation .

There is heaps of ROC on doctrine, when we point out some of it you just ridicule and call it fake and mis informed. You really think i havent had meetings with catholic priests and nuns in my life?? Here, ministries from different denoms still meet regularily and work together collectively for the community, well here anyway they do, dont know bout your neck of the woods though. Its great to ask face to face questions lol am i ill informed? or they liars?
Ok now im off topic lol
 

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What isn't true? That her Son is God?

And there are many other denominations who view our honour of the Virgin similar to you, but they have no qualms with the title of "Mother of God". In fact, I first learned the title when visiting my grandma at her Southern Baptist church as a young child.
Yeshua our Saviour is son of God Almighty Yahweh. He is given authority by the most High Yahweh because he is his son.


By declaring mary mother of God is just wrong, she is the mother of Yeshua the Messiah.

Yahweh chose her to be the vessel in which his son was to be born into the world to be the sacrifice for our sin, and Salvation for those who accept.

From the bloodline of King David right back to Abraham did Almighty Yahweh God plan our Saviour his son to be born into this world to be the sacrifice that would redeem those that believe and accept.

Yahweh Almighty sacrificed his son, in place of what Abraham offered in Isaac, it was through this faith that Yahweh Almighty God was pleased that he gave his son Yeshua our Saviour.

That is why Yeshua the Messiah was killed during passover, he became the lamb of sacrifice that the Jewish people offered each year at passover.

The unleavened bread was what the hewbrews ate, Yeshua became the risen bread of life.

Yahweh sent the Hebrews food from heaven, and Yeshua our Saviour was sent from heaven to feed us for eternal life.



Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 

dscherck

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Yeshua our Saviour is son of God Almighty Yahweh. He is given authority by the most High Yahweh because he is his son.


By declaring mary mother of God is just wrong, she is the mother of Yeshua the Messiah.
Yeshua the Messiah is also God.
So, since Mary is the mother of Yeshua the Messiah, who IS GOD. Mary is rightfully titled, "Mother of God."
 
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dishchat

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So you're saying that Jesus isn't God?
Mary was only a human being,Jesus was not God because he was born a human being. It is the Spirit in Jesus who was never born,He was God.Therefore Jesus was God only through the Holy Spirit and not by Mary. Mary wasn't the mother of God.
 

dscherck

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Mary was only a human being,Jesus was not God because he was born a human being. It is the Spirit in Jesus who was never born,He was God.Therefore Jesus was God only through the Holy Spirit and not by Mary. Mary wasn't the mother of God.
Well, that's where we disagree. Jesus was both fully God and fully man from the moment of conception. His body was a disguise hiding the spirit of God.