All 'biblical' translations are biased!

ElderChild · Mar 2, 2012

All 'biblical' translations are biased!

The Messiah testified, "The Words I speak unto you, they are Spirit and they are Life"....... (John6:63)

So it is that the "natural man can not comprehend that which is of The Spirit of GOD for such needs be Spiritually discerned"....... (1Cor2:14)

And with a multitude of words in any two languages having more than one meaning, religions most certainly translate in accordance with the way their religious dogma dictates, not GOD'S(Father{Creator}) Way! For HIS Way was revealed in The Life and Teachings HE bestowed upon The Messiah!

So it is that each and every english language 'biblical' translation is perverted in accordance with the religious folklore and theo'ry'logical doctrines of the translators, and so it is that all systems of religion but carry on the legacy of the pharisee's.

Sadly, each and every english 'biblical' translation is biased, as well as the 'biblical' translations in any language and yes, even the hand copied original manuscripts, .

However, thankfully Our Father, HE yet reveals all things unto those who "walk not after the flesh, but after The Spirit"!

And such is needful for there are more than 100 english language "biblical" translations.

Index of 100+ Versions of the Scriptures

Some examples of religious bias, prejudice and perversion follow:

Christian "trinitarian" religion's who but follow pagan catholic folklore have their kjv which was translated by pagan catholicism's #1 christian daughter, aptly named "the church OF england"! There is no doubt that she was, and is, wholly in and of this wicked, evil world. So it is that her primary translation of the 'bible' was dedicated to a worldly king, "the king james bible" ;-(

Truth testifies that "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one".......(1John5:19)

She(the church OF england) most certainly did the will of "the author of confusion" when she translated "YHWH" as "lord god".

And my how she played games with those words ;-(

Needs more be said?

Then we have the 'jehovah' religions(yes, there are many sects as well) and their 'new world translation'. Those who believe Michael the archangel and their version of the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' are one in the same. Just another translation biased in accordance with the religious dogma and theo'ry'logical doctrines of the translators.

And the 'jesus only' folk? Those who believe that their version of the pagan catholic/christian 'jesus' is god the father, and is god the son, and is god the holy spirit. They have their 'biblical' version named "the full life study bible: an international study bible for {deluded} pentecostal and charismatic christians.

They have made sure that "I AM's" abound when referring to The Messiah.

And today's "messianic communities" have their "sacred name" versions.

Some with their very own personalized version of 'YHVH' and "Y'shua, be it 'YHWH' or 'Yahvah' or 'Yahweh" or 'Yeshua' or 'Yahshua' or ?.

i believe anyone who has received "the love of The Truth" can clearly "see", or will "see", that religious dogma(folklore) rules in each and every religious system, for they all are of of this wicked, evil world!

And they will "see" that religious dogma has influenced(perverted) all 'biblical' translations.

Sadly, multiplied millions have been killed and enslaved in the name of the god(s) of this, or that system of religion!

For the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
because life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!

And because of such "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" ;-(

Hope is there would be those who take heed unto The Call to "Come Out of her, MY people"!

"Come Out" of the systems that are of this wicked, evil world(babylon) and especially it's systems of religion!

Once again, thankfully Our Father, HE yet reveals all things!

And such experience should be The Teacher!

Experiencing immersion in, of, by and thru The Holy, Set Apart, Spirit which endues one with The Power that enables them to overcome this wicked world, even as they receive of the "strong meat" that is spiritual discernment, and which is needful to rightly divide "The Word of Truth", no matter the translation.......

Hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is receiving "the love of The Truth" for they will "see" The Light that is The Messiah and experience "The Power that raised Him from among the dead"!

All Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our Father!

So it is that the brethren of The Messiah choose to be but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for we have realized that our "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven", and we are no longer of this "wicked, evil world(babylon)" and it's systems of religion!

For we are of The Faithful!

Father Help! and HE does.......

And The Faithful will not create a religion, for The Faithful ARE Family!

TRUTH is not a religion, TRUTH IS!

And TRUTH IS the brethren of The Messiah are "sons of GOD" and ARE Family!

The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"! (Eph3:15)

And soon, and very soon, the brethren of The Messiah will be taken Home, Home at last.......

Till then:

Father Help! and HE Does.......

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Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked world, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......(1John5:19)

Thankfully Truth IS, a lie never was and is not.......

Abide in Truth....... francis

cfultz3 · Mar 2, 2012

ElderChild said:

Let all who read the words from Elder Child understand that he said, "All 'biblical' translations are biased". Keep this in mind as you read what he quotes from his own biased biblical translation. Although he finds all translations to be perverted, yet, he wants you to believe that his interpretation is the correct one.

ElderChild said:

In Jon 6, we understand that Jesus was talking to His disciples concerning the eating of His flesh and the drinking of His blood and that His disciples were having a hard time understanding this. So that they would understand that He was not being literal, but spiritual, He told them that His utterances are spiritual and that they give life. Rom 8:6 gives us understanding that Jesus was talking to thier spiritual mnd, seeing that, "...to be spiritual mined is life and peace."
By Elder implying that "Words", "Spirit", and "Life" are entities in this verse, we are left to understand Jesus as saying "the Spirit is the words I speak" and "the Life is the words I speak". But, a quick survey tells us the "the Spirit speaks"(Mat 10:20), casts out devils (Mat 12:28), can be seen (Joh 1:33), regenerates (Joh 3:8), testifies (Joh 15:26), guides (Joh 16:13), etc... . Thus, the Spirit has to be more than just Jesus' spoken words.
It is certain that the words which Jesus spoke does lead to life. But, the words He spoke is not the Life. In fact, Jesus is the Life, the Way, the Truth (Joh 14:6). So, with Elder's logic, we are to conclude that Jesus lyed about Himself being the Life, and should have said, instead, "My Words is Life". Was it His words which took flesh, or was it the Word which took flesh and spoke life to the dead?
　

ElderChild said:

Here is another biased translation. Remember, Mr. Elder, all biblical translations are biased? Note that he personalizes "Spiritually".
You would have us to understand that "that which is of the Spirit of GOD...needs [to] be Spiritually discerned..." "To discern that which is of the Spirit" is the same as saying "to distinguish that which is of the Spirit". For what need would the Spirit have to scrutinize the things which are His in the first place?
Or, is it that you are saying, "the natural man needs [to] be Spiritually discerned". It is a clear-cut case that the natural man is spiritually distinguished by the Spirit as being a natural man. But, what does that have to do with anything here?
This verse here simply means that the things of the Spirit of God are spiritually distinguished and accepted by those who are born of the Spirit. Those who are carnally-minded do not accept the things of the Spirit because they are foolishness to him. They are foolishness to him because he cannot understand them.
　

ElderChild said:

The general idea in the approve quote is totally agreed upon by you and I both. But, then again, are you not translating with your own dogmas?
Why is it only specifically the "[E]nglish language 'biblical' translations" which are perverted? But then again, yours is in English also, so perhaps you have a minute point there.
　

ElderChild said:

How do you know which father speaks to you if you do not know His spoken word? Satan knows God's word and he deceitfully speaks them. So, how do you discern which one is speaking?

　

ElderChild said:

For the most part, most religious dogmas are taken from the Bible, with some conceived by those same dogmas, by that religion and are then twisted around to benefit their sect. But because they have done that does not mean that the Bible itself needs to be discredited. If anything, learn Greek and then go and look at the original manuscripts from the original writters of the Bible, and start from there. And if you still disagree to even the orignals, then your problem lies not with those who believe the Bible but with God Himself.
　

ElderChild said:

The fruit of death is bore of sin's way in the knowledge of the Law. All false religions are of sin. But, it cannot be said that sin is merely religion. Sin conveys offense towards God. Do we not know sin because we know the Law, or is it, as you imply, we know death because we know religion.
I will continue with the rest of what you said at a latter time.

Grandpa · Mar 2, 2012

Each language has restrictions on what it can convey and what it can't. God doesn't have these restrictions.

It seems pretty obvious that once God's thoughts are conveyed to us in language they will be bound by the restrictions our language puts on them.

I'm not too worried. The Lord knows how to teach me. He's not restricted by my language or anything else for that matter.

ElderChild · Mar 3, 2012

Simply, TRUTH IS that each and every 'biblical' translation is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translators, beginning with pagan catholicism's formation of their "cathloic canon" which this world now calls it's 'bible'.

However, Our Father, thankfully HE is yet able to reveal all things and yet communes with HIS children.

At no point do i declare that which is called the 'bible' should be done away with, it is religion that needs be avoided, and so it is that The Call of The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD needs be resounded again, and again,,, till time is no more:

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

"Come Out" of the systems that are of this wicked, evil world, and especially it's systems of religion for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth!

Father Help! and HE does.......

cfultz3 · Mar 3, 2012

Mr. Elder,

Would you take the time to answer the questions I put forth in our conversation? Thank you

duewell · Mar 4, 2012

in my life i have read the bible without worrying about which version i am reading. the Spirit will guide you to the truth. the kingdom of God is all around us. the word of God is in everything. all of creation serves God. with the Spirit you will see every artistic creation become a seed that bears fruit. we swim in an oceans of Gods love yet most do not know that they are even wet. confess your sins, ask Jesus for help, watch as the world and your perception of it change as the Spirit awakens you and guides you. feel it come alive in everything around you .follow with faith. believe Jesus is the son of God. make yourself into a living sacrifice. put to death the sins of the flesh. deny yourself pick up your cross and follow Jesus. take communion and be baptized. experience unconditional love in a world where mans understanding of reality is but a bubble in the ocean of Gods reality. know true joy that the word of God is real and at work today.

Duewell
the rainbow connection
mark 4v 11-13

ElderChild · Mar 4, 2012

The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD"!

cfultz3 said:

Normally i would not respond to the confusion that is manifest in one who has not yet realized that The Words The Messiah spoke were not His words, but were The Words given Him by of Our Father and GOD! (John 3:34, 12:46-50, 14:10, 14:23-24....)

And The Word, yes all The Words given The Messiah by Our Father and GOD are of The Spirit that is The Life!

The Messiah, "The Beginning of The Creation of Our Father and GOD"!

Until one see's The Light they will but abide in the darkness that is religion ;-(

And the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
For life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!dd

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

TRUTH IS, a lie never was and is not.......

Abide in TRUTH.......

And yes! each and every biblical translation in any language is biased and perverted in accordance with the religious dogma of the translator(s) ;-(

However, thankfully Our Father, HE IS, and HE yet communes with HIS children and is yet able to reveal all things!

Father Help! and HE does.......

ElderChild · Mar 4, 2012

duewell said:

Quite the testimony.......

What is " the rainbow connection"?

Yes, "THY Kingdom HAS Come", however, "The Kingdom of Our Father and GOD is in Heaven"!

So it is that "communion and baptism" are of The Spirit, however religion, which is for the "disobedient and gainsaying people" yet feeds the flesh ;-(

And the brethren of The Messiah?

They choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" for they have realized that their "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven" and no longer have their portion with those "whose god is their bellies, and whose glory is in their shame, for they mind earthly things"!

Father Help! and HE does.......

You testified, "Make yourself into a living sacrifice, put to death the sins of the flesh, deny yourself and follow The Messiah!"

One who desires such, liken unto a child continually cries:

Father Help! and HE does.......

cfultz3 · Mar 4, 2012

Re: The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD"!

ElderChild said:

Never have I said, "the words which Christ spoke are His and not the Father's". For me to say such would be contridictive to Scripture. But, what I do say is that the Word became flesh. Now, who is the Word if not God. Have I not declared that Jesus is the "God said" of the OT? So, the words He spoke are the words from God, as He, the Word incarnated, is the "spokesperson" of the Godhead.

Parden me for correction, but it does not say, "the words I speak to you are the Spirit and the Life", seeing that it lacks the difinite artcle. The words He spoke are words from God the Father to His children. The Spirit of Life is not mere words which are spoken through the mouth, but is a manifestation of the Spirit. Is not the Spirit a part of the Trinity. Of which Trinity, it is said, "there are three who bare witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word, the Holy Spirit".

ElderChild said:

I have quoated where the Word is God, where "the Word of God" is a name for Christ, where this Christ (Messiah) is our Lord who is named Jehovah in the OT. So, are we to belive that the Lord is created? So, when He called Himself "the Amen", He was not saying that He was the "God of Amen" (Isa 65:16), but that God was created by the Truth?

When it says that He is the first-born, does it not mean that He, as the Son, is the eldest amoungst all His brothers and sisters? And that all repsonsibility, in the absence of the Father who is in Heaven, of the Church is upon His shoulders? That He is to bring that family to God?

ElderChild · Mar 4, 2012

Re: The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD"!

cfultz3 said:

Had i realized you were a pagan trinitarian i would have simply responded.

i want naught to do with the religious ones for they but carry on the legacy of the pharisee's ;-(

And the fruit of death is bore of religion's way,
For life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play ;-(

Hope is one day you would take heed unto The Call of The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD(SPIRIT), FATHER(CREATOR) of ALL(Messiah inclusive) and:

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

"Come Out!" of the systems that are of this wicked, evil world, and especially it's systems of religion!

Those who "Come Out" will no longer have their portion with those "whose god is their bellies, and whose glory is in their shame, because they mind earthly things", nor will they have their portion with that which was needful for a "disobedient and gainsaying people".......

For the brethren of The Messiah are truly "aliens and pilgrims while on this earth" for we have realized that ouir "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven" and that soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last!

Till then:

Father Help! and HE does.......

cfultz3 · Mar 4, 2012

Re: The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD"!

ElderChild said:

Again, you respond in the negative. If you disagree with what I say, then simply through the Scriptures, show me where I err? I respond with Scripture and you say they are corrupt. So, how is it possible to commune with you in a conversation when you selectively and haphazardly paraphrase the very thing you disqualify as being from God, the written Word?

I try to use logic, and that too, you condemn because it is not in agreement to your rendition of the Scripture.

So again, I say let those who read this thread come to their own conclusion.

ElderChild · Mar 4, 2012

Re: The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD"!

cfultz3 said:

Thankfully Faith and TRUTH rejoice against logic and religion, for such is of mankind's "imag"ination and mankind's "imag"ination is destroying Creation(air, water, land, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Faith, Grace, Wisdom,,,,, ALL that is Truly GOOD).......

Mankind's "imag"ination is 'd'evil's playground!

So it is that your understanding of that which i bear witness too is dark indeed, for you reject The Light ;-(

Yet HOPE IS!

For TRUTH IS!

Father Help! and HE does.......

SantoSubito · Mar 4, 2012

The good ol' Latin Vulgate has never steered me wrong.

triplet347 · Mar 4, 2012

The work of the exegete is to do his best to translate the texts from the original languages as accurately as possible using good principles of translation (hermeneutics). There are going to be places where one word may be translated in more than one way into English, for example. In these cases the exegete must make a decision on how to translate the word and be respectful of the text. Here there may be a bias, but here is where every translator must be diligent and try to be as objective as possible. There are many good translations of the Holy Scriptures. The one I think is the best is the RSVCE, but there are others that are good as well.

ElderChild · Mar 4, 2012

triplet347 said:

Simply, if one who has their portion in a system of religion reads and/or translates that which this world calls it's 'bible(catholic canon)", bias and perversion will happen!

Any one who has received a "love of The Truth" realizes that when a rc reads the 'bible", such speaks to him as a rc ;-( When a mennonnite reads the 'bible', such speaks to him as a mennonite; a baptist, as a baptist; a pentecostal, as a pentecostal; a jw, as a jw,,,,,,,,etc,,,,,,,,;-(

And TRUTH testifies that 'religion' was for "a disobedient and gainsaying people", "uncircumcised of heart and ears", "who loved the wages of unrighteousness", and would rather have a man speak and rule over them than GOD ;-(

Only when one reads the scriptures as a "son of The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL"(for whom the scriptures were intended) will bias and perversion be null and void!

Father Help! and HE does.......

For the sons of GOD have no 'religion'! (see ** below)

Why would we?

For we have our portion in The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"!

We are brethren of The Messiah, of The Family of "Our Father and GOD", and so it is that we choose to remain but "aliens and pilgrims while on the earth", for we have realized that our "citizenship(Life) is in Heaven"?

Now why would "aliens and pilgrims" create a system of religion, or love this world and it's things?

Why would we love our own(self,ego,id,"I") life in and of this wicked, evil world, especially when it is promised that "whoever loves his life in this world will lose it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it unto Life Eternal"? (John12:25)

And so it is that we continue to resound The Call of "Our Father and GOD" as we exhort others to:

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

"Come Out" of the systems that are of this wicked, evil world(babylon) and especially it's systems of religion!

Be of those who "forsake all," "Yes! and their own life also", just as The Messiah did!

Be of those who tarry in, yet are not of, this wicked, evil world!

"Aliens and pilgrims while on the earth" indeed and Truth, for soon, and very soon, we will be taken Home, Home at last!

Till then:

Father Help! and HE does.......

**Hope is there are those who receive a right understanding of James 1:27, and yes! even for the reliigious ones there is Hope such could be**

triplet347 · Mar 5, 2012

Elder Child,

Your argument cuts both ways. How do you interpret the scriptures? Do you read the scriptures all by themselves? You come to the scriptures with your own biases. How do you get out of the boat you put us all into? This is a conundrum for you as well. Please explicate without all of the quotes from scripture because I don't know how you are interpreting those passages and I cannot be sure your interpretation is correct. I really want to know how you thought your way through this dillema.

Thank you,

Grandpa · Mar 5, 2012

triplet347 said:

That is the dilemma. You can't figure your way out of it.

You have to ask to be saved out of it. And you have to mean it.

ElderChild · Mar 5, 2012

triplet347 said:

"Argument", "thoughts", "bias"?

That which i bear witness too i believe i have seen(experienced) and heard(received).

"conundrum", "getting out of a boat"?

Simply, that which is of The Truth sets one free, free indeed!

Father Help! and HE does.......

Unless one "experiences(not just knows about) The Messiah and The Power that raised Him from the dead" that which this world calls it's 'bible(catholic canon)" remains but colored marks written on a dead tree" ;-( And so it is that the "bible" becomes but a playground for the "imag"ination's of those who have not experienced The Miracle that is receiving " a love of The Truth"....... YES! and loving The Truth more than life itself!

For apart from The Truth? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . nothing!

i could share endless words of that which i have seen(experienced) and heard(recieved) here, however such testimony is available at the link posted on my profile at christian chat.

Simply, i have been given an unction from Our Father to be a 'janitor'!

"Exposing and cleaning up the mess caused by pagan catholic and christian doctrinal heresies"!

So that those with "eyes to see and ears to hear" would break the chains put on them by the theo'ry'logians(pharisee's), and take heed unto The Call of "Our Father and GOD" to:

"Come Out of her, MY people!"

Why would The Faithful create a religion? For The Faithful ARE Family.......

The Family of "Our Father and GOD", "of WHOM the whole Family in Heaven and ON EARTH is named"!

Father Help! and HE does.......

triplet347 · Mar 5, 2012

You have shown yourself as someone who is unable to have an intelligible conversation.

BTW, you trust your experiences? There are those who disagree with you who have had "experiences" they sincerely believe.

I will not continue any discussion with at this point. Thanks for the time though.

God bless,

triplet347 · Mar 5, 2012

Grandpa said:

Excuse me? What does your statement have to do with interpretation of scripture???

All 'biblical' translations are biased!

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