Bibi on Christian Zionists

[paulnsilas]

You know what, never mind. I don't want to know.

And therein lies the issue. not wanting to know.

I am amazed that Biblical Christians have no problem identifying ROME as an harlot. Or Islam or any of the others as false. But when it comes to distinguishing between those Christ identified CLEARLY in Rev 2:9 and 3:9, Christians CLOSE THEIR EYES and STOP THEIR EARS. they fail to note that ONLY those 2 churches were WITHOUT warning or admonition from The LORD. Those two churches KNEW something.

I know you have said you don't want to know, but others may. So the next post will once again point to what JESUS HIMSELF said. People will either choose to press on to the TRUTH or they will ignore it at their peril and loss.

Jeremiah 24:1-10

The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of FIGS were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon. One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad. Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.

Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good. For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.


And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt: And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them. And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.




Luke 21:29-33

And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Mark 11:
And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.


And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.

And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.



And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.

And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.



And when even was come, he went out of the city.



And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

 

[paulnsilas]

Revelation 2:8-11
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.


Revelation 3:7-13
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Here are two clues as to what Jesus is talking about, and what He promises to those WHO KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.

Jesus identifies Himself as having the key of David. This is His Legal right to rule - Jesus came THROUGH JESSE, AND DAVID but through NATHAN.......NOT SOLOMON : anyone coming who claims rulership through David can not claim it through Nathan, but must deceive. they will claim it through SOLOMON. Find out how many Christians (never mind Jews) actually believe Jesus came through SOLOMON.

These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Below He is saying that the Philedelphians, who KNEW there is a false people, as well as a true people, have patiently kept in His Word, they have pressed on to the TRUTH, have BELEIVED what He has taught have something very valuable - He has PROMISED to keep them from being DECEIVED into worshipping the devil when he comes INSTEAD of Christ, claiming to be Christ. He will KEEP THEM from the TEMPTATION to accept the mark of the beast and worship the devil. (no, He does NOT promise to RAPTURE them off somewhere. He keeps them safe WITHIN the midst of the Hour of Temptation)

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

But, people will either press on to the truth REGARDLESS of the COST (and the cost is great - look what happens everytime someone tries to point out that there are true and false people!), or they will fall away. They have either received THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH or not. they will either press forward until they KNOW what Jesus has said, or they will coast along and hope for the best....

2 Thessalonians 2:9-17
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be ****ed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

 

[paulnsilas]

SMYRNA FIG
description (in fig (plant and fruit)) In addition to the caprifig, there are three other horticultural types of fig: Smyrna, White San Pedro, and Common. Smyrna-type figs develop only when fertile seeds are present, and these seeds account for the generally excellent quality and nutty flavour of the fruit. Figs of the White San Pedro type combine the characteristics of both the Smyrna and the Common type on one tree. First-crop...

FROM: ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITTANICA

 

[paulnsilas]

SMYRNA FIG
description (in fig (plant and fruit)) In addition to the caprifig, there are three other horticultural types of fig: Smyrna, White San Pedro, and Common. Smyrna-type figs develop only when fertile seeds are present, and these seeds account for the generally excellent quality and nutty flavour of the fruit. Figs of the White San Pedro type combine the characteristics of both the Smyrna and the Common type on one tree. First-crop...

FROM: ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITTANICA

.............hint.............

FIG WASP
pollination (in fig wasp (insect)) The female fig wasp’s role in pollinating certain edible figs, especially Smyrna figs (F. carica), is critical to the fig grower, as most economically valuable figs require fertilization to ripen. Though she cannot lay her eggs within the edible fig (she must lay them at the base of the pistil, and the pistils of cultivated figs are longer than her ovipositor), she...

 

[AnandaHya]

“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.”

Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu


Useful idiot

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The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by a political movement, terrorist group, hostile government, or business, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.

WOW and you question my words???

Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[Scotth1960]

Hi paulnsilas,
I don't understand the reason for your post. Could you explain why you posted this item?
love
edwin

Christian Zionists virtually worship Israel and the Jews, but denigrate the Church as a mere "parenthesis" in God's plan for the world. The real focus is on the future, the alleged coming Messianic Kingdom of 1000 years from earthly, Jewish Jerusalem. Little focus is given on the resurrection of Jesus Christ, or His crucifixion. Which is the past. All focus is given on the future, on the alleged pre-tribulation rapture, accompanied by people like John Hagee's prophecy that "nuclear war is inevitable". For this reason, people don't trust Christian Zionism, as it is a sadistic cult that cares little for the Jews and their salvation. It just wants to see Biblical prophecy fulfilled to the letter according to some money-making, greedy dispensationalist end-time prophecy charts plan. John Hagee even preaches that it's a waste of time trying to convert the Jews and Israel to Jesus Christ. All the Jews are good for in dispensationalism is some alleged God-predestined future 7 year tribulation in which may Jews are supposed to be predestined to perish in some anti=semitic future holocaust. Christian Zionism learned nothing from the past Jewish holocaust of World War II, and is predicting and perhaps even praying for a future great tribulation upon the Jews, the "time of Jacob's trouble". If the Christian Church is going to be raptured out of this world by God, why worry about working for peace and for nuclear disarmament? If it's all "inevitable", greedy dispensationalists seek an easy escape from the world in an end-times pre-tribulation "rapture", when the Bible doesn't predict such a "rapture" before a tribulation anywhere in Scripture. Go figure. People will believe (almost) anything if people conjure up those "magic words" to them, "The Bible says ..... " Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Dutch41]

“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.”

Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu


Useful idiot

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search
For other uses, see Useful idiot (disambiguation).
In political jargon, the term useful idiot was used to describe Soviet sympathizers in Western countries and the attitude of the Soviet government towards them. The implication was that though the person in question naïvely thought themselves an ally of the Soviets or other Communists, they were actually held in contempt by them, and were being cynically used.
The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by a political movement, terrorist group, hostile government, or business, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.

Hello Zone, I hope everything is ok

 

[AnandaHya]

“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.”

Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu


Useful idiot

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search
For other uses, see Useful idiot (disambiguation).
In political jargon, the term useful idiot was used to describe Soviet sympathizers in Western countries and the attitude of the Soviet government towards them. The implication was that though the person in question naïvely thought themselves an ally of the Soviets or other Communists, they were actually held in contempt by them, and were being cynically used.
The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by a political movement, terrorist group, hostile government, or business, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.

Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

God has spoken that YOU ARE IN DANGER OF THE COUNCIL and HELLFIRE. Do you listen to His voice in YOUR HEART or is it too harden to hear His soft whisper?

YouTube - Who Am I - Casting Crowns

who am I? just a flower quickly fading, a wave tossed in the sea, a vapor in the wind. Still the Lord hears me when I'm calling and catches me when I'm falling and the Lord has told me who I am. I am His.

 

[AnandaHya]

And therein lies the issue. not wanting to know.

I am amazed that Biblical Christians have no problem identifying ROME as an harlot. Or Islam or any of the others as false. But when it comes to distinguishing between those Christ identified CLEARLY in Rev 2:9 and 3:9, Christians CLOSE THEIR EYES and STOP THEIR EARS. they fail to note that ONLY those 2 churches were WITHOUT warning or admonition from The LORD. Those two churches KNEW something.

I know you have said you don't want to know, but others may. So the next post will once again point to what JESUS HIMSELF said. People will either choose to press on to the TRUTH or they will ignore it at their peril and loss.

Jeremiah 24:1-10

The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of FIGS were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon. One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad. Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.

Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good. For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.


And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt: And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them. And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.




Luke 21:29-33

And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Mark 11:
And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.


And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet.

And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.



And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.

And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.



And when even was come, he went out of the city.



And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

OK I have to go back and reread you lengthy post and see what in the world your talking about. so in short words. you don't like christian zionist? which i'm not sure who you define as that but I will reread the postings.

I don't think people should worship Israel or Jeruselum but only GOD. The state of Israel is not key to God's kingdom which exist in the spiritual realm but has manifestation in the physical realm. I will have to pray about the whole issue.

just to be clear do you agree or disagree with the statement you posted in the beginning?

you never really said in any of the post I skimmed and I'm sure others are just as confused with YOUR stance on the issue.

by the way can I have some Bible scriptures to support your stance?

 

[Dutch41]

“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.”

Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu
Useful idiot

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Look in the christian mirror... the founder of the reform church,.. started by Maarten Luther:
This is what he said.. don't forget: when you point one finger to an other 3 fingers are pointing to your self.

I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen.

He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.


-Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...

-Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people.

-...their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain.

-Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, "When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit" [cf. Luke 6:39]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments...

-Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self*glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

-Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch*thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.

-However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.

-If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies** that is, longer than two thousand years.

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-...Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith.

-Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?

-Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.

-No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.

-...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!

-Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones.

-I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule** if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe*conduct, or communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my
conscience.

-Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.

-However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly

-Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy.

-Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death.

-What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:

First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly * and I myself was unaware of it * will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.

Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.

Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)

Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.

Fifth, I advise that safe*conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).

Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.

Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.

-But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.

-Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:

First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire. That would demonstrate to God our serious resolve and be evidence to all the world that it was in ignorance that we tolerated such houses, in which the Jews have reviled God, our dear Creator and Father, and his Son most shamefully up till now but that we have now given them their due reward.

-I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish. They surely do not know what they are doing; moreover, as people possessed, they do not wish to know it, hear it, or learn it. There it would be wrong to be merciful and confirm them in their conduct. If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God's wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated."

-My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.

From Luther's Works, Volume 47: The Christian in Society IV, (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971). pp 268*293.

(source Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies)

Our church history is filled with anti-semitism. And when we pointed to the orthodox Jew.. first you have to pointed to your self. The Holecause is actually justify by the words of Maarten Luther.

But if you like.. there is a lot more..during the history..people who called them self christians blamed the Jew a lot... And like I see.. this root isn't cut.

 

[Dutch41]

I am amazed that Biblical Christians have no problem identifying ROME as an harlot. Or Islam or any of the others as false. But when it comes to distinguishing between those Christ identified CLEARLY in Rev 2:9 and 3:9, Christians CLOSE THEIR EYES and STOP THEIR EARS. they fail to note that ONLY those 2 churches were WITHOUT warning or admonition from The LORD. Those two churches KNEW something.

Interesting:Smyrna
Rev 2:9 I know thy works and tribulation and poverty (but thou art rich), and I know the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Phylidelphia
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie—behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Is the Lord here talking about all the Jews.. or about Jews who are blasphemy them? Well He isn't talking about the orthodox Jews. He is talking here about Smyrna and Filidelphia.. not about Jerusalem, or Ephese, or Alaxandria, Thessalonica, etc etc. The Lord is only talking about the jews) who are connected with the synagoge in Smyrna and Philidelphia.

Don't eisegese again...

Some information about Smyrna:
In the time of Strabo the ruins of the Old Smyrna still existed, and were partially inhabited, but the new city was one of the most beautiful in all Asia. The streets were laid out as near as might be at right angles; but an unfortunate oversight of the architect, who forgot to make underground drains to carry off the storm rains, occasioned the flooding of the town with the filth and refuse of the streets. There was a large public library there, and also a handsome building surrounded with porticoes which served as a museum. It was consecrated as a heroum to Homer, whom the Smyrnaeans claimed as a countryman. There was also an Odeum, and a temple of the Olympian Zeus, with whose cult that of the Roman emperors was associated. Olympian games were celebrated here, and excited great interest. On one of these occasions (in the year a. d. 68) a Rhodian youth of the name of Artemidorus obtained greater distinctions than any on record, under peculiar circumstances, which Pausanias relates. He was a pancratiast, and not long before had been beaten at Elis from deficiency in growth. But when the Smyrnaean Olympia next came round, his bodily strength had so developed that he was victor in three trials on the same day, the first against his former competitors at the Peloponnesian Olympia, the second with the youths, and the third with the men; the last contest having been provoked by a taunt (Pausanias, v. 14, 4). The extreme interest excited by the games at Smyrna may perhaps account for the remarkable ferocity exhibited by the population against the aged bishop Polycarp. It was exactly on such occasions that what the pagans regarded as the unpatriotic and anti- social spirit of the early Christians became most apparent; and it was to the violent demands of the people assembled in the stadium that the Roman proconsul yielded up the martyr. The letter of the Smyrnaean in which the account of his martyrdom is contained, represents the Jews as taking part with the Gentiles in accusing him as an enemy to the state religion, — conduct which would be inconceivable in a sincere Jew, but which was quite natural in those whom the sacred writer characterizes as "a synagogue of Satan." {#Re 2:9}

2006 Smith's Revised Bible Dictionary

And the same problem was handed in the town Philidelphia.. all where Hellenized Jews who lived there..

 

[journey41]

Hello Zone, I hope everything is ok

[/QUOTE]Your real sharp Dutchie. I picked that one a mile away too! I was trying to work out how old this post was?
God bless.

 

[Dutch41]

[/QUOTE]Your real sharp Dutchie. I picked that one a mile away too! I was trying to work out how old this post was?
God bless.

well she is banned I saw.. but it is her way of writing.. full of bitterness..

 

[VRJ]

I'm not going to say I agree with everything with PaulSilas, but on "Bibi Netahyahu" people better start waking up here. There's more going on behind the scenes concerning the state of Israel(noticed I said state...America's 51th state) than are being told.

Find out about the USS Liberity attack in June of 1968 and the Mavi Marvana in May. Find out about the deal to get Johathan Pollard , who should be hanged, that Israel is trying to make with our state department and no one have even heard that one.

Israel is not American's friend....the churches need to wake up to this as soon as possible. They are being duped big time.

 

[Scotth1960]

“My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re

scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots

we can get right now.”

Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu

Useful idiot

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In political jargon, the term useful idiot was used to describe Soviet sympathizers in

Western countriesSoviet government towards them. The implication was that though the

person in question naïvely thought themselves an ally of the Soviets or other

Communists, they were actually held in contempt by them, and were being cynically used.

The term is now used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be

manipulated by a political movement, terrorist group, hostile government, or business,

whether or not the group is Communist in nature.

and the attitude of the

Friends,

More info on the heresy of Christian Zionism

Information Clearing House News You Won't Find On CNN

Christian Zionism: The New heresy that sways America

The Political agenda of Christian Zionism

by Stephen Sizer 8/24/04

Christian Zionism: The new heresy that sways America

Take care.

God bless you all; Amen.

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Truthsetfree]

To your first question, Christian Zionists. To your second, I thought you agreed with the quote, considering you never said you didn't. Just a misunderstanding. Anyway, so what is the point of the thread?

The point I think he is trying to make is that we as Christians should use disernment, and not be so trusting of Zionism or isms the world over. Does Jesus the son of God want us to be deceived? NO have any of you here researched Zionism, and it's agenda?

In my opinion if Christians don't wake up, and stop following the Rev_3:9 synagogue of Satan they will be deceived.

How has Zionist media, Hollywood, and political grasp helped us Americans? Have we not seen the demorilization of the United States? As a Christian I will stand up, and resist Zionist control over America. As it is painstakingly obvious that America is falling away from God. I can't understand for the life of me why Christians by the millions are not speaking against this.


Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.


BTW I don't hate the Jews, just Zionism, and their agenda, but I know for a FACT that Zionism is destroying Christianity (culture) in America. If you need proof speak up to me. God bless, and let us tell the truth Amen.

Yes the Bible speaks, and warns us of these things. ask if you need scriptures.

 

[Zilla64007]

Christian Zionism, or the more popular term, Dispensationalism, is nothing more than a lie.
Having grown up in it and finally come out of it, I have seen first hand what it does to people, to their walk in Christ, and how prideful they become in their own theology

 

[Truthsetfree]

Who's Bibi? and I thought we were talking about Christian Zionists, not satanists

Well IF these so-called Zionist Jews are Ashkenazi Jews,
then we very well could be talking about what Jesus refered to as synagogue of Satan

Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Jesus aslo made it very clear that the Racist, Religious, Zionist Jews of his day were children of Satan (Devil).

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


This is very important to know the truth, because if Jesus was right then we may want to take warning, Not to hate them, but to expose their agenda, and use God's word to fight against their lies. TRUTH will make us free like birds. : )

When we speak the truth about these things we should do so in love.

I don't think it's even up for debate wether the Zionist are in control of America. This can be proven as fact. What is up for debate is... Do we as God's children agree with the way America is heading now that the Zionist controlled Government, AKA ZOG is in power of our once Christian Nation.

What would Jesus do? Would he speak up against this in love, and truth? Or would he stay silent, and let the world be deceived by these Zionist which I believe are the synagogue of Satan?

I know what he would do... He would do what he did in the scriptures, and expose them for what they are. I believe they killed him, because he spoke the truth. And we as Christians MUST speak the truth no matter who it may offend, because surely Jesus offended the Zionist of his day.

Right now all we as Christians can do is pray, and awaken as many people up as possible.

Here is is in a nut shell... Do we as Christians want the Zionist to continue control of our media, entertainment (Hollywood), banks, Governments, and freedoms?

If not then we should expose them, and not go along with their agenda, which only feeds their power. The fact is that the people who are in control of these things ARE the Zionist. If this is true, and it can be proven to be, then the quoestion i would like answred is why do so many Christians support this (Zionist) agenda? It is an agenda. If these people who are in control over all these things were midgets, then I believe everyone would point to them, and say.. "Hey those midgets are corrupting out Nation, and our religious freedoms!"

In my honest opinion I think it's too late in the game for Christians to wake up to this. They will make to heaven I believe, but sadly many Christians have not spoken up against Zionism, and many ignorently follow it. My Mom is also a Christian, and refused to believe it, but praise God she now believes the truth, and this took years of showing her many documntaries, and evidence, and scriptures. It's not easy to wake Christians up, as many believe that these Zionist are God's chosen people. Yet how can they beleive this when these Zionist control Holywood, and promote such ungodliness. Gone are the days of little House on the Prarry, and hello to Lady Gaga. America is gone, but it's too far now, and who can lift her up. Surely she will fall unless Christians rise up, and expose the synagogue of Satan.

Here is a link you guys can go to, and this man is a Christian Jew. He speaks the truth about Zionism, and their anti-christ scemes. His name is Brother Nathanael Kapner


May God bless you all!

 

[tribesman]

Christian Zionism, or the more popular term, Dispensationalism, is nothing more than a lie...

For once sake I fully agree with you.

 

[ShilohVII]

After Jesus [Yeshua] finished his fathers perfect sacrifice, he could have went back to the beauty,glory and celebration awaiting him in heaven! Instead he went down to the lowest pit of hell! He stayed there for three days! In that most horrible of places, he spoke love into every tormented soul there! When he left he took the keys of hell and death with him! He opened the gates of hell , freeing every soul who recieved that love and redemption! Yeshua[Jesus] thought not of himself, for in fullfilliing his fathers passion, He brought many back with him! There was nothing satan could do!!!
Lets put the enemy to shame!!! Love each other!!! Including the first fold, The Jewish People!!!