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Not Gravity, if I measure the gravitaional force, I would not be 'stuck to the earth' but would be stuck to the sun, have a close look at what so called science says about gravity, they will say that the ocean tides are made by the 'gravitational pull of the moon', what a joke? Can they say that with a straight face? How much does the Pacific Ocean weigh? Can it be dragged accross the face of the earth by 'gravitational pull' of the moon? Then by that same method how does the gravitational pull of the moon act on a birds feather floating in the breeze above the ocean? The theory of Gravity is a false theory, Newton's apple would not fall on his head, it would take off towards the Sun, if he lived in a universe where his theory did apply, but of course it dosen't.
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The Sun runs a circuit because the sun runs a circuit, what you are stating in your position is that the Bible does not say that the sun moves, it dosen't say that it rises and sets, and goes down and runs it's course, but you claim that it only appears that way to you. You claim that the world is not stabilized so it can be moved in opposition to the Bible, you say that the Bible is wrong and God does not mean that and that our eyes decieve us as to what we observe and you believe and assume that the opposite is true.
See how you change the word of God, you say 'The earth is so fixed that it cannot be REMOVED', I state 'The earth is so fixed that it cannot be MOVED'.
See how you change the word of God, you say 'The earth is so fixed that it cannot be REMOVED', I state 'The earth is so fixed that it cannot be MOVED'.
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I have been paying attention, and all you have basically said is that the Bible and all true physical science proves that the earth is fixed, and you state the "evidence" but you do not site your sources, which does not give much credibility to your "evidence."
However, since this thread is basically pointless, I am respectfully bowing out. I think that Suaso summed up the important points anyway.
However, since this thread is basically pointless, I am respectfully bowing out. I think that Suaso summed up the important points anyway.
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Amateurs have recorded images of spacecraft that have traveled well beyond the van allen belts:
Apollo 13:
http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel/space/apollo13maley.jpg
Apollo 12 water dump sequence:
http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel/space/a12_corralitos.jpg
Comet Tempel 1 impact by the Deep Impact mission:
http://www.noao.edu/news/images/blink.gif
http://www.noao.edu/news/images/centered.gif
The sun is 93 million miles away, it doesn't matter that it has greater gravitational pull; gravity drops off exponetially with distance. Once again, the ignorance is staggering.
Apollo 13:
http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel/space/apollo13maley.jpg
Apollo 12 water dump sequence:
http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel/space/a12_corralitos.jpg
Comet Tempel 1 impact by the Deep Impact mission:
http://www.noao.edu/news/images/blink.gif
http://www.noao.edu/news/images/centered.gif
The sun is 93 million miles away, it doesn't matter that it has greater gravitational pull; gravity drops off exponetially with distance. Once again, the ignorance is staggering.
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Two words, look them up and maybe you'll learn something; tidal effect. It's not the gravitational pull of the moon as much as it is the difference in the gravitational pull of the moon between the moon-facing side of the earth and the moon-opposite side of the earth. The moon is close enough to the earth that there is a noticeable gradient in its pull over the diameter of the earth, resulting in a tidal effect.
A bird's feather is imperceptable in size compared to the earth, so why would we expect there to be a gradient in the moon's gravity on a feather? The earth's gravity far outweighs the moon's; when you're on the earth's surface the earth is the dominant force, so unless there's a gradient present because you're large enough to feel a difference in pull between one end and the other, there won't be any tidal effect.
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At what distance does this suppossed gravity drop off? According to your model it is the earth that is in orbit around the sun held in the sun's superior gravitational force, Newton has said that if the sun was to disappear, the sun's gravity would immediately disappear with it. This would cause the gravitational attaction of the sun and earth to immediately leave into outer space. Then the earth along with all the other planets, moons, and asteroids would fling into space. (Lindley, 186) To fit within this theory it can be said that the earth gravity cannot be as strong as the suns, so therefore I cannot be held to the earth by the earth's gravity but must be held by the Sun's superior gravity, becuase the mandate of the theory is proportionate weight; the earth weigh less then the sun, therefore is in orbit around the sun due to the superior gravitational pull of the sun, the lighter object is attracted to the heavier one would be the rule, so a measurement by that rule would make it impossible for me to be on the earth's surface because as a seperate body of weight I weigh much lighter then the earth.
Use the formula F = G m1m2/r for each case, for between a person and the earth F1, , and for between the earth and the sun F2, and then calculate again for between a person and the sun, F3. Then you'll see that F3 is much less than F1.
There are different forces at play here, and because humans are close to the earth and have small mass compared to the earth, the force from the sun is not going to be the dominant force on the person.
There are different forces at play here, and because humans are close to the earth and have small mass compared to the earth, the force from the sun is not going to be the dominant force on the person.
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If your equation actually applied then lines of gravitational pull are straight, you see that in yor given equation, Gravity does not make objects spin in circles and yet you claim that an orbit proves gravity, do insects rotate around cars? are birds in orbit around oak trees? Your equation proves nothing but limited circular reason! Me falling to earth by the straightest route possible cannot be an event caused by the same force that suspends the earth and has it in orbit around the sun. Gravity turns out to be a pretty shabby theory with alot of holes in it. What's more if I apply the 2nd law of thermodynamics to the spinning objects in their orbit then this process is subject to increase in entropy, so where is the factor for the entropy increase arising from the orbiting planets.
If you only knew the meaning of Universal Gravity Theory and what an utter failure in explaining anything, in fact it is when tested by solid logic a complete contradiction, it cannot even hold itself up as a theory.
If you only knew the meaning of Universal Gravity Theory and what an utter failure in explaining anything, in fact it is when tested by solid logic a complete contradiction, it cannot even hold itself up as a theory.
How does an orbit happen? Easily can be explained by Newton's laws as well:
http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/1-what-causes-an-orbit.html
Orbits are the result of a perfect balance between the forward motion of a body in space, such as a planet or moon, and the pull of gravity on it from another body in space, such as a large planet or star. An object with a lot of mass goes forward and wants to keep going forward; however, the gravity of another body in space pulls it in. There is a continuous tug-of-war between the one object wanting to go forward and away and the other wanting to pull it in.
Newton's laws and Gravity is not such a bad theory at all, it has worked successfully in many applications used today.
http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/space-environment/1-what-causes-an-orbit.html
Orbits are the result of a perfect balance between the forward motion of a body in space, such as a planet or moon, and the pull of gravity on it from another body in space, such as a large planet or star. An object with a lot of mass goes forward and wants to keep going forward; however, the gravity of another body in space pulls it in. There is a continuous tug-of-war between the one object wanting to go forward and away and the other wanting to pull it in.
Newton's laws and Gravity is not such a bad theory at all, it has worked successfully in many applications used today.
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This is incorrect. No experiment proves this. This word 'gravity' translates from Latin 'heaviness', that's why I told you earlier that according to the the theory of Universal Gravity the mandate is weight, weight is the determining factor in the equation OK, the weigther object according to the theory has a superior gravitational pull, by that very Logic given that space being an empty vacum, there is no way that the earth can escape the gravitational pull of the sun, and there is no you or I can escape it or a satellite, a satellite would be sucked to the centre of the sun, why? because by it's own law the lighter object must be drawn to the heavier! The earth's own gravitational pull cannot outmatch the suns if it is itself caught in the gravitational pull of the sun, there would be nothing to stop the earth moving closer to the sun and on course for collision in a straight line, in a straight line you understand because this is the same equation that you posed earlier, do you see the contradiction?
You see if I jump out of a plane, it cannot be Newtonian Gravity Law which accelerates me to earth, because being lighter then the earth by the law of Gravity I would have to be spinning on my axis and suspended in orbit while still falling in a straightline to earth, you see Gravity is not a universal law because there is anti-gravity which can be attained, by attaining anti-gravity, the law is broken. Do you see the contradiction? Do you see the deception? There is no reason why anybody should tell you the truth, knowledge is power, those who have power have an vested interest in not telling you the truth, this is why Gravity Law is taught in Public Schools and Rockefeller Instituations (University).
We have no power on this earth, this earth is run by Satan, do you realize that, he is the master of deception and the father of lies, so why do you think that everybody has told you the truth? Why do christians continue to believe the world of lies and not the Word of God, where is your faith? what are you afraid of? The sun rises and the sun sets, 'Sun stand still', it says 'sun stand still'! But Satan and along with almost the entire world of lies would have me believe with out providing any logical experimental proof that my eyes decieve me and the Bible is wrong and God Himself dosen't know what He is talking about!
I tell you that the deception is so great and so complex and so ancient it is staggering, and we are born right into it, deceptions so vast and so intricate, deceptions created by supernatural minds for the sole purpose of decieving, decieving us into denying the word of God - 'Did God say?' oldest trick in the book.
You see if I jump out of a plane, it cannot be Newtonian Gravity Law which accelerates me to earth, because being lighter then the earth by the law of Gravity I would have to be spinning on my axis and suspended in orbit while still falling in a straightline to earth, you see Gravity is not a universal law because there is anti-gravity which can be attained, by attaining anti-gravity, the law is broken. Do you see the contradiction? Do you see the deception? There is no reason why anybody should tell you the truth, knowledge is power, those who have power have an vested interest in not telling you the truth, this is why Gravity Law is taught in Public Schools and Rockefeller Instituations (University).
We have no power on this earth, this earth is run by Satan, do you realize that, he is the master of deception and the father of lies, so why do you think that everybody has told you the truth? Why do christians continue to believe the world of lies and not the Word of God, where is your faith? what are you afraid of? The sun rises and the sun sets, 'Sun stand still', it says 'sun stand still'! But Satan and along with almost the entire world of lies would have me believe with out providing any logical experimental proof that my eyes decieve me and the Bible is wrong and God Himself dosen't know what He is talking about!
I tell you that the deception is so great and so complex and so ancient it is staggering, and we are born right into it, deceptions so vast and so intricate, deceptions created by supernatural minds for the sole purpose of decieving, decieving us into denying the word of God - 'Did God say?' oldest trick in the book.
You mean mass, not weight.
You obviously don't understand Newton's law of gravity. It is not just about light objects drawn to heavier ones. Refer to the formula I gave above. The force is a function of the product of the two mass objects and the distance between them. To demonstrate this, let's calculate the force exerted on a feather due to the sun using Newton's law.
Assume the feather's mass is 0.01 kg, and the mass of the sun is 1.9891 e30 kg
The distance between the feather and the sun r is about 150 e9 m with the feather at the location of the earth (assuming theres no other gravitational forces except the sun's). The gravitational constant G is 6.67 e-11.
The force between the feather and the sun F = G*m1*m2/(r^2) works out to be F = 5.9e-5 N which is very small.
Repeat the calculation for the same feather at the earth's surface. Mass of earth is 6e24 kg, radius of earth is 6378e3 m.
F = 0.098 N which is significantly larger (1600 times) than the force on the feather due to the sun. So the feather is not going to be floating towards the sun unless the earth is taken out of the way first.
Using the same formula to calculate the distance r at which the force on the feather due to the sun is equal to the force on the feather due to the earth,
r works out to be about 260,000 km. So the feather would have to be in the order of 260,000 km away from the earth before it is attracted to the sun due to the sun's gravitational pull.
So no, it is not just about heavy objects attracting lighter objects. It is a function of the product of the two masses. Obviously a large mass times a very small mass does not result in a large force. But a large mass (eg sun) times another large mass (eg earth ) does result in a large force. And two large masses very far apart is very weak force.
Seems like your understanding of Newton's laws of gravity is lacking.
Unless earth was travelling in an orbit and all forces are in equilibrium. Again, Newton's laws.
You obviously don't understand Newton's law of gravity. It is not just about light objects drawn to heavier ones. Refer to the formula I gave above. The force is a function of the product of the two mass objects and the distance between them. To demonstrate this, let's calculate the force exerted on a feather due to the sun using Newton's law.
Assume the feather's mass is 0.01 kg, and the mass of the sun is 1.9891 e30 kg
The distance between the feather and the sun r is about 150 e9 m with the feather at the location of the earth (assuming theres no other gravitational forces except the sun's). The gravitational constant G is 6.67 e-11.
The force between the feather and the sun F = G*m1*m2/(r^2) works out to be F = 5.9e-5 N which is very small.
Repeat the calculation for the same feather at the earth's surface. Mass of earth is 6e24 kg, radius of earth is 6378e3 m.
F = 0.098 N which is significantly larger (1600 times) than the force on the feather due to the sun. So the feather is not going to be floating towards the sun unless the earth is taken out of the way first.
Using the same formula to calculate the distance r at which the force on the feather due to the sun is equal to the force on the feather due to the earth,
r works out to be about 260,000 km. So the feather would have to be in the order of 260,000 km away from the earth before it is attracted to the sun due to the sun's gravitational pull.
So no, it is not just about heavy objects attracting lighter objects. It is a function of the product of the two masses. Obviously a large mass times a very small mass does not result in a large force. But a large mass (eg sun) times another large mass (eg earth ) does result in a large force. And two large masses very far apart is very weak force.
Seems like your understanding of Newton's laws of gravity is lacking.
Unless earth was travelling in an orbit and all forces are in equilibrium. Again, Newton's laws.
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