The Fixed Earth

[MahogonySnail]

You see if I jump out of a plane,

Which flies and stays in the air thanks to Newton's laws

it cannot be Newtonian Gravity Law which accelerates me to earth

Then what is it? What is the alternative? You haven't given us a better alternative to the gravity law. If there is no gravity, then why do objects accelerate to earth at all? Can you explain that? According to your views, if gravity is wrong, then we should all be suspended above the earth or something.

 

[MahogonySnail]

By the way I strongly suggest not jumping out of a plane in order to try and disprove the theory of gravity and that it doesn't exist.

 

[Astronut]

At what distance does this suppossed gravity drop off?

Gravity decreases with the square of distance, it doesn't just drop off all at once, and it never reaches 0.
The force of gravity = Gravitational constant * Mass 1 * Mass 2 / Distance squared
The gravitational constant is 6.67 * 10^-11
Earth's mass is 5.97 * 10^24 kg
Sun's mass is 1.98 * 10^30kg
Earth's radius is ~ 6,360 km
Sun's distance is ~ 150,000,000 km
Therefore, an object on earth will experience 1677 times as much gravitational force from earth as it will the sun. Learn physics.

According to your model it is the earth that is in orbit around the sun held in the sun's superior gravitational force,

You're talking about the mutual attraction between earth and sun here, not an object ON the earth. There's a huge difference.

 

[daddycat]

At what distance does this suppossed gravity drop off? According to your model it is the earth that is in orbit around the sun held in the sun's superior gravitational force, Newton has said that if the sun was to disappear, the sun's gravity would immediately disappear with it. This would cause the gravitational attaction of the sun and earth to immediately leave into outer space. Then the earth along with all the other planets, moons, and asteroids would fling into space. (Lindley, 186) To fit within this theory it can be said that the earth gravity cannot be as strong as the suns, so therefore I cannot be held to the earth by the earth's gravity but must be held by the Sun's superior gravity, becuase the mandate of the theory is proportionate weight; the earth weigh less then the sun, therefore is in orbit around the sun due to the superior gravitational pull of the sun, the lighter object is attracted to the heavier one would be the rule, so a measurement by that rule would make it impossible for me to be on the earth's surface because as a seperate body of weight I weigh much lighter then the earth.

You talk a lot of nonsense, but you do it with such confidence and panache it almost convinces me.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

[/size]
Two words, look them up and maybe you'll learn something; tidal effect. It's not the gravitational pull of the moon as much as it is the difference in the gravitational pull of the moon between the moon-facing side of the earth and the moon-opposite side of the earth. The moon is close enough to the earth that there is a noticeable gradient in its pull over the diameter of the earth, resulting in a tidal effect.

The Bible states that the moon was designed to serve mankind with 'signs' and through 'seasons' and by being a light for the night. Tidal phenomena can certainly be a sign, and a sign that appears in concert with the movement of the moon, but to say that the moon causes and controls Earth's tides by the force of it's 'gravitational pull' is wrong.

The moon God tells us is there to be an aid to mankind in such things as gauging tides, planting and harvesting and for light and time measurement, the moon's movement and behaviour acts as useful and necessary knowledge foer mankind and it is given by God.

What an unbeliever will do is take God out of this phenomena and will try to explain it in his own way, instead of the basis being the Bible, for the unbeliever the basis becomes rumour and tradition, just something that he was told by someone else and because it came from sombody with a visible authority the unbeliever decides to trust in worldly authority. "Establishment of tradition and rumour" has said that the tides are caused by the gravitational pull of the moon (assissted by the sun's pull) the declareration once repeated often enough becomes 'scientifiic fact'!

What 'science' says is that the Moon's gravitational pull is that it reaches out through the neutral gravity zone (Von Braun c. 216,000 miles from earth) reaches through this zone where it supposedly cannot even attract a ballon filled with helium and keeps on going through this zone but then regains it's 'gravitational strength and sucks the entire earth toward it like steatching a rubber ball, incredible! that's called sciences and they have dots and squiggles and numbers to 'prove' that.

'Gravity' is a word that is used as a disguise much like the word 'evolution', they are magic words that the paganized unbeliever is brainwashed with, he repeates them wherever a gap appears in his thought pattern, you can see this as you read through this thread, the words 'that's gravity', 'gravity explains that' come up time and time again but when you analyze you see that it is mere reinforcement just repitition, lies are repeated that's all.

Put it this way, the Moon's suppossed 'gravitational pull' cannot cause a bulge in the crust of th Earth, it cannot stretch the Earth, that is not an observable phenomena and it doesn't happen but an unbeliever is forced to say that as well as the Moon causing the entire oceans to move because he caanot explain other then using the magic word for everything, that is a Kabbahla spell, don't you see? The Scientific Establishment cannot explain the varying moon tides by the presence of the Moon's gravity so they will then say it is inconjunction with the Sun's 'gravity' and the Earth's 'gravity' and this 'gravity can do things like diminish to nothing in a 'nuetral gravity zone' but then magically reassert itself to whatever strength is required to explain the phenomena observed and it invisible as well!

The Moon varies in distance from the Earth by over 31,000 miles! when it comes closer how can it then resist that 'gravitational pull' it is supposedly caught in and start going against it? Contrariwise, as it goes out to the apogee and is moment by moment breaking loose from the Earth's gravitational pull at tremendous speed, how then does it stop the outward movement in the vacuum of space, it stops and starts back again! Unbelievable! Gravity dioes not explain this in the same way that it dosen't explain the Earth being 3 million miles closer to the sun at certain times then we are at others, all 'Gravity' is, is a clever lie, it is a spell enforced by repetition and it is very hard to break that spell, it's an occult designed spell that is used to discredit the Bible and to remove God from His rightful place.

Gravity is a bankrupt and stupid hypothesis that explains nothing, it's a complete contradiction and incapable of providing any logical explaination whatsoever, just as Darwin's "natural selection" and the words "evolution" are word spells that are enforced by vain repetition, this amounts to in the end Idolatry, it is putting false dumb and blind idols like "gravity" and "evolution" in place of God, that's idolatry! It leads directly to sun and moon worship and that is exactly what it is, it puts the created above the Creator, gifts above giver and its a sin and it's IDOLATRY!

Is your real God the father of lies John 8:44-47!

"For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of Creation. For this they are willingly ignorant of." II Peter 3:4-5

A bird's feather is imperceptable in size compared to the earth, so why would we expect there to be a gradient in the moon's gravity on a feather? The earth's gravity far outweighs the moon's; when you're on the earth's surface the earth is the dominant force, so unless there's a gradient present because you're large enough to feel a difference in pull between one end and the other, there won't be any tidal effect.

Can someone really write something like that and honestly claim it to make any sense?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Therefore, an object on earth will experience 1677 times as much gravitational force from earth as it will the sun. Learn physics.

Thankyou Astronaut for confirming my math. Been a while since I studied physics.

F = 0.098 N which is significantly larger (1600 times) than the force on the feather due to the sun.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Cup-of-Ruin you still haven't presented any alternative explanation as to why you would fall to the earth if you jumped out of a plane. Come on then we want to hear it, I'm sure we are smart enough. Maybe you believe in anti-gravity. Thankfully you don't believe in a flat-earth, so maybe you could explain how people at the bottom of the earth like us Aussies stick to the earth instead of falling off into space.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Cup-of-Ruin you still haven't presented any alternative explanation as to why you would fall to the earth if you jumped out of a plane. Come on then we want to hear it, I'm sure we are smart enough. Maybe you believe in anti-gravity. Thankfully you don't believe in a flat-earth, so maybe you could explain how people at the bottom of the earth like us Aussies stick to the earth instead of falling off into space.

Gravity cannot be in force because it lacks the power to overcome electrolagnetism, it is electromagnetism which is the binding force for virtually all biological and chemical phenonmena in our known earth system. Electromagnetism is instrinsically 10^39 times stronger than gravity. Gravity is not powerful neither can it repell it only attracts and any attraction named 'gravity' based on 'heaviness'- 'weight/mass' is not a law, it's a very weak ineffective force and totally dominated by superior forces.

For example if a place a steel ball bearing on a table top, all of the Earth 'gravitational pull' is theoretically being exerted on the ball bearing and preventing it from flying off into space, yet the smallest horseshoe magnet can overcome that and attract the ball, thus the "gravity law" is defeated.

But "gravity" is a mere unproven theory, it is taught in Public Schools to children as a Law - is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutural force between all bodies of mass, but it is not an explaination, gravity cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton said "I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all nature in vain" Newton is at a loss to explain what is the force that is labelled 'gravity'!



Whether I call it an "electromagnetic force" or a "nuclear force" or "gravity" or I combine them all in a super-unification theory and I replace your Newtonian empty vacuum of space with an invisible 'ether' sunstance consisting of idividual charged particles that can act as dielectrics, I must by logic declare that there cannot be a 'Universal Law of Gravity' is not enough to explain observable phenomena, it does not explain an object falling to earth and it certainly cannot explain planetary orbit-, gravity is a very weak attracting force, if gravity law was in force in the universe which it is not because there are higher more powerful forces like electromagnetic, but if it was in force then we would only see objects attracting each other in a straight line, it cannot be demonstrated the 'Gravity' can cause the earth to be suspended in either an ether or a vacuum of empty space, it cannot be shown! But I can make an object levitate using an electromagnetic system, and this is very easy (of course all anti-gravity devices are supressed and patents not approved, information destroyed, life threatened, etc) So what law of gravity is there? None it's defeated and broken, it's a useless idea, redundant, it is for slaves, it is for brainwashing, it is not real, it is overcome, it's an enforced barrier that is overcome with supressed knowledge, it is kabbahla, a repetitive brainwashing technique, a spell, it is 'science' falsely called and it is part of the system along with BigBangism and Evolutionism and Heliocentrism, secular materialism, social communism, natural selection, it's all part of the same Satanic system designed to remove God and the love of God, it's an unholy deception on a vast scale!

Psalm 19:4-7
"In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul, The testimony of the LORD is sure making wise the simple."

II Chronicles 16:30
"The world also shall be stable, that it cannot be moved."

 

[MahogonySnail]

Gravity cannot be in force because it lacks the power to overcome electrolagnetism, it is electromagnetism which is the binding force for virtually all biological and chemical phenonmena in our known earth system. Electromagnetism is instrinsically 10^39 times stronger than gravity. Gravity is not powerful neither can it repell it only attracts and any attraction named 'gravity' based on 'heaviness'- 'weight/mass' is not a law, it's a very weak ineffective force and totally dominated by superior forces.

Thankyou for your reply. But you must also remember that there are different types of forces. Certain forces act on certain things, and others don't. For example, electromagnetism only affects charged particles. Unless human beings are made of iron or magnet, I can't see how EM can attract neutral objects to earth's surface. The EM force also decreases with distance so earth's EM field cannot in any way influence the sun because it is too far away. If the sun does orbit the earth it is not because of earth's EM field.

For example if a place a steel ball bearing on a table top, all of the Earth 'gravitational pull' is theoretically being exerted on the ball bearing and preventing it from flying off into space, yet the smallest horseshoe magnet can overcome that and attract the ball, thus the "gravity law" is defeated.

That's true, but also remember that a kid playing with a amateur radio kit, a couple of coils of wire, magnet and can make an EM force far greater than earth's EM field. Yet I don't know too many kids who have thrown themselves into outer space because they've generated an EM greater than earth's. . Have you thought about that?

The reason why the steel ball is attracted to the magnet is because it's steel. Try with a wooden ball and the magnet doesn't attract it at all. So for a wooden ball, the gravitational force upon it overcomes the EM. For a wooden ball, the gravitational force upon it is greater.

But "gravity" is a mere unproven theory, it is taught in Public Schools to children as a Law - is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutural force between all bodies of mass, but it is not an explaination, gravity cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton said "I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all nature in vain" Newton is at a loss to explain what is the force that is labelled 'gravity'!

That's true, some have suggested gravity is God himself pushing people and objects down. That explains how angels without wings can fly.

 

[Astronut]

'Universal Law of Gravity' is not enough to explain observable phenomena, it does not explain an object falling to earth and it certainly cannot explain planetary orbit-, gravity is a very weak attracting force,

It explains planetary orbits just fine. Our great distance from the sun means it takes a full year to orbit it once - it doesn't take much sun-relative velocity to maintain an orbit around the sun at this distance. The shuttle orbits earth in 90 minutes because it's so close to earth, therefore it requires lots of ground-relative velocity to reach orbit. Simulators of the solar system's gravity show that it explains orbits perfectly:
http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/

if gravity law was in force in the universe which it is not because there are higher more powerful forces like electromagnetic,

More powerful forces specific to certain conditions do not preclude the dominance of weaker forces in other conditions. Magnetism is inversely proportional to distance cubed, while the force governing orbits is inversely proportional to distance squared, therefore magnetism cannot be the governing force.

but if it was in force then we would only see objects attracting each other in a straight line,

Conservation of momentum; the earth and all other planets have momentum perpendicular to the sun. Gravity attracts the planets perpendicular to this momentum, causing the path to curve... into an ellipse!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

[/size]
It explains planetary orbits just fine. Our great distance from the sun means it takes a full year to orbit it once

No, unfortunate as it is, you have been lied to, it will come as a shock to you because of the thorough false secular indoctrination you have recieved, but with the spirit of truth and a desire to seek God, the truth may be revealed to you in time, but it will not be an easy path. The truth is that the Sun is smaller in size to the Earth and it is much closer then what the Evolution Priests say it is, the Sun in actual fact moves as it appears with our own eyes to move, we witness it's movement and it's rising and setting, and this is confirmed by the Bible as so, it moves on it's path, it's circuit around the earth, taking 24hrs to complete a full orbit of the Earth, the sun completes this course in a spiral North-South pattern orbit, the angle of sunlight and the season being caused by the angle of the Sun's spiral pattern orbit, the Earth being completely stationary and upright.

Conservation of momentum; the earth and all other planets have momentum perpendicular to the sun. Gravity attracts the planets perpendicular to this momentum, causing the path to curve... into an ellipse!

As you can see, your entire model of our Earth and the universe is wrong so your math and physics is wrong along with it. With a correct interpretation of the Holy Bible as your basis knowledge and wisdom you may be led into the truth of God's Geocentric system and so attain the correct math and physics necessary for your time on this planet.

Peace be unto you.

 

[Astronut]

No, unfortunate as it is, you have been lied to,

You're the one who accused me of lying and producing fake photographs, now you're saying I'm the one who was "lied to"? Make up your mind, you can't even seem to keep your own story straight.

The truth is that the Sun is smaller in size to the Earth and it is much closer then what the Evolution Priests say it is,

If that were all true, then we should observe diurnal libration each day between sunrise and sunset, just as we do for the moon between moonrise and moonset. I've observed the sun's surface countless times with various safe sun filters, and to sum it up, that just doesn't happen.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/344123726_3f1db1e82d_o.jpg
You're wrong and you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

As you can see, your entire model of our Earth and the universe is wrong so your math and physics is wrong along with it.

You started with a false assumption and then tried to use it to prove an even bigger false assumption. That's absolutely hilarious. Come back when you can produce a shred of real evidence that I'm somehow in on the "conspiracy."

 

[jaylynn83]

[/size]
You're the one who accused me of lying and producing fake photographs, now you're saying I'm the one who was "lied to"? Make up your mind, you can't even seem to keep your own story straight.

If that were all true, then we should observe diurnal libration each day between sunrise and sunset, just as we do for the moon between moonrise and moonset. I've observed the sun's surface countless times with various safe sun filters, and to sum it up, that just doesn't happen.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/344123726_3f1db1e82d_o.jpg
You're wrong and you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

You started with a false assumption and then tried to use it to prove an even bigger false assumption. That's absolutely hilarious. Come back when you can produce a shred of real evidence that I'm somehow in on the "conspiracy."

Ya'll better listen to him!!! He's an astronaut!!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

You're the one who accused me of lying and producing fake photographs, now you're saying I'm the one who was "lied to"? Make up your mind, you can't even seem to keep your own story straight.

Heliocentricty is a false system so what you say is a lie whether you are concious of that or not, I suspect that you are not concious of the fact that you have been lied to.

If that were all true, then we should observe diurnal libration each day between sunrise and sunset, just as we do for the moon between moonrise and moonset. I've observed the sun's surface countless times with various safe sun filters, and to sum it up, that just doesn't happen.

The moon's orbit is eccentric this give rise to libration, the orbit of the sun is set, no astronomer has ever plotted the exact path of the moon.

You started with a false assumption and then tried to use it to prove an even bigger false assumption. That's absolutely hilarious. Come back when you can produce a shred of real evidence that I'm somehow in on the "conspiracy."

You will find that all physical tests have found that the Earth is stationary, the assumption that it is not is on your part, you need to assume alot to validate any claim to the contrary with no scientific proven evidence, the Geocentric Universe is all actual fact the logical conclusion, for example, you have to reach beyond the earth atmosphere to attain orbit, that is because space revolves around the earth, it it was the earth that was spinning at 1000 miles an hour, there would be no need for engine propelled flight, we would simply board a hot air ship ascend of the ground and wait for the Earth to spin beneath us then float back down to Earth at the desired location. If the Heliocentric then claims that the earth atmosphere is also spinning at the same speed as the earth's surface, he must assume this but cannot explain why so is left with gaps that he can only cover with vain words in an attempt to hide what is clear and obvious, so that is spreading confusion, and God is not the author of confusion the devil is. God is logical and reasonable and is clear about what He has stated, the devil will do everything in his power to obscure the truth and even go so far to say that you cannot believe what your own eyes see, which is the basis of Heliocentricity the basis is to deny what your own eyes and senses tell you and you must also deny what God has said, so it fits in to the satanic plan of grand deception which has engulfed the world and that is why 'all the earth is decieved' by Satan, God has allowed this to happen, it is within His plan also, can His schildren see and stand for Truth and the love of God above the lies of the world, that is a test, no one ever said it was going to be easy. "The path is straight and narrow and there be few who do find it"

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Thankyou for your reply. But you must also remember that there are different types of forces. Certain forces act on certain things, and others don't. For example, electromagnetism only affects charged particles. Unless human beings are made of iron or magnet, I can't see how EM can attract neutral objects to earth's surface. The EM force also decreases with distance so earth's EM field cannot in any way influence the sun because it is too far away. If the sun does orbit the earth it is not because of earth's EM field.

Composition of the Earth's crust is dominated by 8 elements - oxygen, silicon, aluminium, iron, calcium, magnesium, sodium, and potassium, these elements make up 99%, Oxygen makes up almost 50% by weight.

Composition of humans is- oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, carbon, calcium, phosphorus and trace minerals.

The reason why the steel ball is attracted to the magnet is because it's steel. Try with a wooden ball and the magnet doesn't attract it at all. So for a wooden ball, the gravitational force upon it overcomes the EM. For a wooden ball, the gravitational force upon it is greater.

The little experiment demonstrates the vastly superior power of EM to the Gravitational (heaviness) force, my little magnet was able to overcome the entire 'gravtational' pull of the earth.


'Gravity' as the evolution priests call it is an extremely weak force, it does not explain very much at all let alone make it the fundemental universal govening law out of it that is responsible for everything from apples falling from trees to the orbit of Jupiter!

 

[MahogonySnail]

Yes but magnets don't attract humans , neither a wooden ball. In the case of a wooden ball, gravity beats magnetic force. Not all forces are the same. Different forces act on different things and in different circumstances. Gravity is the only law which acts on all objects regardless of their composition. EM doesn't. EM also acts over shorter distances than gravity, put the magnet at 1 metre away from the steel ball, and the gravity force is still stronger because the ball won't move. Unless you move the magnet closer. The theory of gravity explains things a lot better than EM or any other force. Unless you can get a magnet to stick to you I would be amazed. So how can an EM force keep humans stuck to earth. The theory of gravity has successfully allowed humans to travel to space, fly in airplanes, make medicines, win wars, and many things.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Your theory of EM being the reason also falls short when you consider that EM is polarised, positive and negative. If EM force was the cause of why everything sticks to the earth, we should see some objects be attracted to the other, and other oppositely polarised objects be repelled from the earth. What's more, gravity can be measured with gravimeters. Newton's laws are proved to be correct, and regardless of whether you call it the xyz force, gravity is a reality, and it is unlike EM force or any other forces. The amount of EM force in your little bar magnet is also many times greater than the EM force that the earth can generate, which lends further problems for your theories.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Yes but magnets don't attract humans , neither a wooden ball. In the case of a wooden ball, gravity beats magnetic force. Not all forces are the same. Different forces act on different things and in different circumstances.

Platitudes are not clever!

Gravity is the only law which acts on all objects regardless of their composition.

So you say, you call it 'gravity' from the latin word gravitas for 'heaviness', this even if you formulate a measurement for it and call it gravitons or heaviness units or whatever you want, does not explain anythying, it is used to try to explain what is not seen, in any case I can easily prove that it is not 'gravity' that is the force causing the observable phenomena.

Gravity is poorly understood and very limited as a theory, it is called the "mystery force" and Newton himself admits he does not understand it, it's really just a secular gap filler like the word 'evolution'.

What makes us all hold together? what makes all our atoms hold together? what hold the earth up? I could use the Greek verb sunistao meaning cohere, preserve, hold together, this Biblical Greek word is 'consist' in English, Colossians 1:17 "And Christ is before all things, and by Him all things consist." "that in all things He may have preminence."

You know we have many people to this day searching fot the unifying of forces, searching for the hidden relationship between EM and 'Gravity' (I hate the word), but no one really understands, least of all what is this 'gravity', how does God keep us bound to the underside of a sphere hung out in black nothingness of space, I don't know! Bible says that preminence is given to Christ and by Him all things consist, when secular modern scientists who are blindly following the ancient teachings of the Kabbahla call it 'heaviness' or 'gravity' with no understanding of what that force is, I have to stand up and say, No, wait, you cannot say that, your replacing God with an invisible mystery Yoda star wars type force and then slapping some ordinary number unit system to it and selling it as the universal law of just about everything, and now that is wrong!

EM doesn't. EM also acts over shorter distances than gravity, put the magnet at 1 metre away from the steel ball, and the gravity force is still stronger because the ball won't move.

Then I can get a bigger magnet or blow up a hot air ballon and attach it to the ball with a string, wrestling the steel ball away from the massive gravitational pull of the earth with one small balloon of my hot air and a piece of twine! Gravitas (heaviness) defeated by hot air! See it's such a dull useless redundant theory that has more holes in it then swiss cheese.

Unless you move the magnet closer. The theory of gravity explains things a lot better than EM or any other force.

It is not an explaination it's a magic word that is used to cover an area of lack of knowledge, gravity is not explainable and is not logical and the least understood of all forces.

Unless you can get a magnet to stick to you I would be amazed. So how can an EM force keep humans stuck to earth. The theory of gravity has successfully allowed humans to travel to space, fly in airplanes, make medicines, win wars, and many things.

You might as well ask me how the atoms of my body are held together? Newton's theory is not really much of theory, probably his worst moment and hoisted on the masses in accordance with the displacement of God and Christianity, the theory of gravity is 'science falsely called' that has been established as secular human doctrine and it has done nothing but harm. It's not hard to put a human in orbit, there was a monkey in orbit before there was a man, it's not hard, and it's got nothing to do with gravity theories!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I think Newton would horrified if he knew what has happened to his idea of 'gravity', in the end, he to, the genius that he was, just ended up studing the Bible, could he fathom it?, no, he could not unlock all the secrets contained in holy scripture, but he came to realize that all knowledge and wisdom comes from God and we as humans cannot udestand the unifying theory of everything, it is our duty as Christians to keep the words of God and if we are brought into the truth by the revelations of the Bible we should continue on in that truth and not falter, the truth of the Bible in a cosmology sense is that the earth is the centre of the universe and the sun, stars (reflective crysral electrical transformer lights) and the moon and the planets all revolve around the Earth, the Earth is upright and stationary.

 

[Astronut]

The moon's orbit is eccentric this give rise to libration, the orbit of the sun is set, no astronomer has ever plotted the exact path of the moon.

Now you are "lying" by your interesting definition of the word. The moon's eccentric orbit is not the only source of libration; diurnal libration occurs daily due to the relative closeness of the moon. If the sun were close, it would also experience diurnal libration.

You will find that all physical tests have found that the Earth is stationary,

So the shuttle crashes every time it launches with too much cargo? Really? Prove it.

it it was the earth that was spinning at 1000 miles an hour, there would be no need for engine propelled flight, we would simply board a hot air ship ascend of the ground and wait for the Earth to spin beneath us then float back down to Earth at the desired location.

Conservation of angular momentum; earth wouldn't slip by underneath you. All it would do is lower the ground relative speed needed to acheive orbit if launching in the direction of earth's rotation. Amazingly enough, that's exactly what happens.

If the Heliocentric then claims that the earth atmosphere is also spinning at the same speed as the earth's surface, he must assume this but cannot explain why so is left with gaps that he can only cover with vain words in an attempt to hide what is clear and obvious,

Conservation of angular momentum is pretty obvious to me...