Gay Marriage?

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So should sterile women not get married Jonathan?

I honestly don't see why same sex marriage isn't legal, people of other religions and people of no religion can get married without protest from Christians yet they gets their knickers in a twist over two consenting adult men having the same rights.
 
jonathanbchristian said:
gay marriage is so unnatural. it is like fish out of water. two men or two women cannot have a baby that should be enough proof.
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Yeah, and you want to say that waiting for sex until marriage and surpressing your inner needs for fornication is very natural?
 
Fidelis said:
Yeah, and you want to say that waiting for sex until marriage and surpressing your inner needs for fornication is very natural?
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Suppressing needs is totally natural, people do it all the time. I think you will find that if you don't want to get pregnant you will "suppress your needs!" contraception didn't always exist you know.
 
leelee said:
Suppressing needs is totally natural, people do it all the time. I think you will find that if you don't want to get pregnant you will "suppress your needs!" contraception didn't always exist you know.
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No, surpressing natural needs is the exact opposite of natural. Besides that, many many many animals have homosexual intercourse and 'relationships'.

To say one of my favorite cliches and way too much used argument: "Homosexuality is found in over 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. Which one seems unnatural now?"
 
hislastwalk said:
So pedophiles & murderers shouldn't surpress their feelings?
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You are missing my whole point. I am trying to make clear that actions should not be judged on the fact of whether they are natural or unnatural.

Besides that: gay marriage doesn't hurt any other fellow human being, while murderering and pedophilia self-evidently do.
 
Fidelis said:
You are missing my whole point. I am trying to make clear that actions should not be judged on the fact of whether they are natural or unnatural.
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Homosexuality is unnatural.
I use to be a homosexual, so I can say it, and know what I'm talking about. However, it's not up for opinions, it's Gods opinion that counts and you will not see me replying again on this thread. So God-bless(: & homosexuality does harm people. I seen it tear my family apart. But, yeah, bye. :)
 
hislastwalk said:
Homosexuality is unnatural.
I use to be a homosexual, so I can say it, and know what I'm talking about. However, it's not up for opinions, it's Gods opinion that counts and you will not see me replying again on this thread. So God-bless(: & homosexuality does harm people. I seen it tear my family apart. But, yeah, bye. :)
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This sounds so terribly paradoxal. First you say it's unnatural, and then you say your nature used to be that you were homosexual yourself.
 
Fidelis said:
This sounds so terribly paradoxal. First you say it's unnatural, and then you say your nature used to be that you were homosexual yourself.
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Just to clear it up, I use to live a homosexual lifestyle. I left the unnatural lifestyle and began to seek freedom, which I found. Jesus set me free.

Just wanted to clear it up buddy. :)
 
First, not all churches will married people that don't attend church at all and don't claim to be a christian. I don't know of an athiest that would go to a church to be married. The problem with same sex marriage is that one, God said for a man and woman to marry. Two, in serveral places in the Bible, it says homosexual is a sin. Their for what is happening now is that no one can take the Word of God has it is written. Therefore, someone can tell us what we can and can't believe. So what about adultry, it is on the law and God talks against that. Should we legalize that too? God said, in the last days men will be lovers of their ownselves. If we can't be like the three Hebrew boys and stand up for our believes, then truly the New Age Movement has taken over. African Americans say they are the monority. Not anymore, Christanity is. Just my oppinon
 
Jullianna said:
Civil union is not marriage. They are not the interchangeable terms society desires we accept. Civil union is a legally binding earthly agreement. Marriage is a God thing - holy matrimony between man/woman/God.

As far as I can see, only those who are of God and do it His way actually enter into marriage, no matter what one chooses to call it and no matter who changes what earthly laws. We don't have the power to change as much on this planet as most folks believe we do...fortunately.
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Agreed. I don't see any problem allowing civil unions for homosexuals in the United States seeing as our constitution clearly adheres to the belief that all men (and women) are created equal with the same individual rights thus it could be argued that civil union is a constitutional right.

However, the very same constitution also guarentees freedom of religion for each of it's citizens as well. There is absolutely no way that the United States can allow gay marriages without violating each citizen's right to his or her own religion, forcing them to accept behavior that is completely contrary to their religious beliefs. (Look no further than Romans Chapter 1 for God's view on homosexuality.)

Homosexuals in America will never be happy with civil unions even though civil unions award them the same rights as a married couple through the American Govt. The homosexual agenda to legalize gay marriage is simple a tactic of the enemy to impose government sanctioned compromise thus forcing you to accept behavior contrary to the Christian belief system. Such an act is nothing more than pure evil and a violation of our constitutional rights.

I will go to jail if the American government attempts to enforce gay marriage because I will preach against it on the Capital building lawn! :D
 
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Crossfire said:
Agreed. I don't see any problem allowing civil unions for homosexuals in the United States seeing as our constitution clearly adheres to the belief that all men (and women) are created equal with the same individual rights thus it could be argued that civil union is a constitutional right.

However, the very same constitution also guarentees freedom of religion for each of it's citizens as well. There is absolutely no way that the United States can allow gay marriages without violating each citizen's right to his or her own religion, forcing them to accept behavior that is completely contrary to their religious beliefs. (Look no further than Romans Chapter 1 for God's view on homosexuality.)

Homosexuals in America will never be happy with civil unions even though civil unions award them the same rights as a married couple through the American Govt. The homosexual agenda to legalize gay marriage is simple a tactic of the enemy to impose government sanctioned compromise thus forcing you to accept behavior contrary to the Christian belief system. Such an act is nothing more than pure evil and a violation of our constitutional rights.

I will go to jail if the American government attempts to enforce gay marriage because I will preach against it on the Capital building lawn! :D
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That is exactly the problem with gay marriage. It is forcing immorality on society and implying it is backed by God. When, in fact, it is not.

Plus what I have just said is probably considered "hate speech" since it is derogatory towards a protected group.

Right is right and wrong is wrong irregardless of what the people in Washington DC think or say or make law. But then, they go by a different book and different Law than we do...
 
Grandpa said:
That is exactly the problem with gay marriage. It is forcing immorality on society and implying it is backed by God. When, in fact, it is not.

Plus what I have just said is probably considered "hate speech" since it is derogatory towards a protected group.

Right is right and wrong is wrong irregardless of what the people in Washington DC think or say or make law. But then, they go by a different book and different Law than we do...
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I think you're missing the point here. Just because SOME Christian groups believe same sex marriage should be illegal doesn't mean that makes it right. You're violating their Pursuit of Happiness. And many religions allow such unions, so you're violating THEIR rights to perform such ceremonies. You can't just ban everything that offends you. If we did that, we'd live in a theocracy, NOT a republic/democracy. If you don't like same sex marriage... don't get same sex married. My fraternity brother is getting married to his long time boy friend and this summer and my girlfriend and I are his best man and maid of honor. Call me evil, sinful, whatever, but love is love. And clearly none of you are being loving people or good Americans (this only applies to the Americans in the discussion.) If you try to ban something b/c it offends you, you're nothing more than a freakin' commie who wants to invade people's lives and tell them how to live.

Congratulations on being down there with Muslims on how hateful you are.
 
Grandpa said:
That is exactly the problem with gay marriage. It is forcing immorality on society and implying it is backed by God. When, in fact, it is not.

Plus what I have just said is probably considered "hate speech" since it is derogatory towards a protected group.

[COLOR=#000000[B]]Right is right and wrong is wrong irregardless of what the people in Washington DC think or say or make law. But then, they go by a different book and different Law than we do...[/B][/COLOR]
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Allowing same sex marriage isn't forcing immorality on anyone, it's allowing individuals to get married, if you are not gay and/or do not wish to enter a same sex relationship no on is going to force you to do it.


It's not hate speech to respectively voice difference of opinions.

this bolded bit i disagree with, what is right for one person may not be right for another.


Also I do have a problem with same sex individuals only being allowed civil unions, unless they get the same tax benefits as everyone else, as of now even though same sex partners can marry/have civil unions they can't file their taxes as married couples.
 
i honestly think same-sex marriage is rather creepy/homosexuelity at whole is creepy but i kinda think that if two people really "love" each other i don't think gender should be in their way.
 
Simply put people, the bible is clear on such matters as Homosexuality, Gay Marriage and Abortion. If you would read your bible and actually believed it then you would know that the bible stands against all three. If you believe that God has somehow changed his mind over the last 2000 years then think again. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. To agree with any one of these three issue places you in direct contradiction to the word of God thus proving that you are not a person of genuine faith.
 
We know God by His word. God hasn't changed and wont change into who we think He should be to conform with current world view. Young Christians need to know, this is contrary to the will of God. No matter how acceptable society has made it. I have a theory that most gays were awakened sexually to young. Some even as infants. God knows those circumstances and loves those people but I tell you what, we do our Lord a great disservice if we pretend that He in any way would advocate this when we KNOW by his word that He would not.

God is exactly who He is. Not who we think He should be. Read God's word to know His view. Try your best not to twist His word to conform with who you think He should be.
 
FSUBoy966 said:
Congratulations on being down there with Muslims on how hateful you are.
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oh look at that, a bit of racial stereotyping how unhateful. not.

i do think that marriage in this dayv and age is a legal issue and as long as same sex marriages are not trying to force their way into a church they have every right ot have legal rights.
 
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