lets all sin!!!!!!

VII · Apr 10, 2012

Are we free to sin as much as we want because the blood of Christ cleanses us from sin?
Or do we just have to meet our own expectation of what is good?

1 John 1:6-7 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

say we have fellowship + walk in darkness = lie = what??

Walk in light = fellowship = the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin = what??

Then we should address practice lawlessness or practice righteousness? Does it matter at all what we do?

Matthew 7:23 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!

1 John 3:10 10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

We have no need to keep His commands because the blood of Jesus Christ covers our sins? Or as I mentioned earlier His blood covers the sins of those that walk in light not just anybody who does anything.

Luke6:46 46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

1John 2:3-4 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Any input is welcomed I pray all turn to the bible!! And have a good day J

Red33 · Apr 10, 2012

The following is a story about a man with great possessions that obeyed all the commandments from his youth, was not living in any known outward sin, yet Jesus could not save this man. What was it about this rich man lacked and that kept him from inheriting eternal life. Keeping the commandments was not enough in (Mt 19:16-26)...

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Skinski7 · Apr 10, 2012

The rich man was not willing to forsake all He had and to follow Jesus Christ.

Yes, with God all things are possible and that is why we have to have faith, the same faith that Abraham had.

Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

It is with that faith that WE CAN walk in the light as He is in the light. It is with that faith that WE CAN depart from iniquity.

That man in the parable still coveted and did not thus keep all the commandments.

It is through faith in the great and exceeding promises of God which pertain to Him giving ALL WE NEED to be overcomers that we CAN DO IT and escape the corruption that is through lust.

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Great post VII.

jimsun · Apr 10, 2012

What ? Sin ? You mean support Newcastle United ? NEVER !!!
But it is so true that, with my God, all things are possible !
For how else can I joke, laugh & enjoy the companionship of you all whilst rejoicing in a faith, belief & fold of someone so stupendous He never fails to amaze?!
J+

Grandpa · Apr 10, 2012

Red33 said:

The people who have come on recently and are preaching you must reach sinless perfection on your own before you can be saved don't realize a few things.

The first is that when we are trying to attain sinlessness on our own their is always at least one impossible hurdle for us that we can't get over on our own. We need help.

The second is that when we think we are sinless we really arent. All we have done when we think we are sinless is brought God's Law down to a point where it is possible for Flesh to follow it. Flesh can't follow God's Law perfectly. The Lord Jesus showed us that when He showed us that Lust in our thoughts is sin, and anger in our thoughts is sin.

The next is the value of the Lord Jesus Christs blood. We don't deserve to be cleansed by it. There is nothing we can do to deserve it. God gave it to us out of Love for us. It is a free gift. It is the only thing that makes us righteous to God. Our deeds or lack of deeds don't atone for our soul. Only the Blood of the Lord Jesus can atone for our soul.

The Lord changes us. We are a new creation. We were completely hopeless and stuck in sin. When we are saved by Him He causes us to want to be like Him. We want to walk as He walks. He gives us the gift of repentance. He gives us the gift of prayer. He gives us the gift of righteousness. He gives us the gift of wisdom. He gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit. It is all a gift and you don't deserve any of it because of what you have done or not done. He gives it freely because He Loves Us.

Trying to attain sinlessness is not a bad thing. It is what we are supposed to do. When you find you can't do it on your own you are supposed to call on Jesus Christ, your Saviour.

With men this is impossible. But with God all things are possible.

Tommy4Christ · Apr 10, 2012

Grandpa said:

You have missed everything we are preaching here grandpa, you say we are teaching works salvation, you say we are trying to earn our salvation, and teaching sinless perfection, you are not being honest is what we are teaching.
I hope this helps, its not perfect but from my heart and what I am learning:

What is biblical perfection!

Mat 5:48 Therefore be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

Now when you come up against the saved IN sin message being preached and taught throughout Christendom, many will scream you are teaching sinless perfection, or they will ask with pride, do you sin? I believe these people are trying to produce a straw man defense, to a very simple question.
Jesus came to set an example for us to follow, He made it crystal clear we are to deny self, pick up our cross daily, and follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23.
What kind of perfection does Jesus demand of His true followers? First off He calls each one of us to repent, Luke 13:3 and 5, Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent! For the kingdom of Heaven is at hand. , plus many more verses the profits and disciples demanded and made clear to the sinning world to do, before mercy would be granted, Jesus commands us to repent towards God, and then have an obedient faith in Him. Act 20:21 testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Thus purifying the heart through faith, clearing away all guile, hate, and evil, from our lives, then seeking His mercy and strength, cleansed and purged ready to receive the Holy Spirit, quickened or made alive. Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Does this mean sinless perfection, or that the converted heart will never sin again? No, but it does mean, this true convert will have a new heart, be a total new creation, 2Co 5:17 So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. They will thus have a perfect heart of purity, obedience, and submission to the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, walking each day in humility, circumspect of all temptations and distractions that will cause them to fall into willful sin and disobedience.
Are all our faults, failure, mistakes, and poor judgment’s considered sins that lead to death? In the church system they will tell you, all sin leads to death, all have sinned, and all sin from murder, to worry is the same to God, all is forgiven, forgotten, and cast away forever, because we cannot live up to God's high standards, and be sin free.
I believe the scriptures are clear on the sins that lead to death, 1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
These are clearly sins worthy of death if not repented of and crucified with Christ. Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.
Now I believe there is a great difference between faults, mistakes, poor judgments, over willful sins of the flesh listed above, which are the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life, which must be put to death in repentance, Isa 1:16 Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes; cease to do evil;
Isa 1:17 learn to do good; seek judgment, reprove the oppressor. Judge the orphan, plead for the widow.
We all make mistakes, have many faults, and make poor judgments at times, but they can become sin IF we allow them to temp us into any guile, lust, hate, envy, lies, cheating, etc...so even though we make these mistakes, and have worries and doubts at times, it’s very important that these faults be contained, dealt with, and not allowed to gain a stronghold in one’s life, that can lead to willful sins that lead to spiritual death, as outlined above.
When I think of all the vile sins I was committing before and against God, before and after I thought I was saved, it makes me want to vomit, hide my head in shame and remorse, hating every evil deed I did against my Lord and God, these sins have been put to death in repentance, while I struggle with many faults, and mistakes, I can clearly now see what Jesus meant when he said "be perfect!"
He meant walking a walk of heart purity, devotion, and love for Him above all else, abstaining from all forms of evil, keeping your heart pure through faith, staying on the narrow road, defending and contending for the faith, loving your neighbor as yourself, fleeing from all sexual immorality, seeking Him with all your heart and soul, and remaining unspotted from the world and all its vain attractions.
It all boils down to the heart, has it been purified through faith? Made new and afresh through repentance proven by deeds? Acts 3-19. And are you remaining separated from the world and its lusts and attractions? 1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,
1Jn 2:16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Perfection is not ever making mistakes, errors, faults or poor judgments; or having every I dotted, and T crossed! It’s walking and living in a right heart relationship with God, with purity and love, being diligent and aware of any temptation or distractions that will lead to willful sin and disobedience.
As you walk in the spirit, he will lead you into all godliness, holiness and purity, to do and say the right thing in all situations, but this comes with a high price, of devotion, and a love of the truth, working in your life to keep you from becoming double minded and divided between the vain attractions of this world, which are passing away, and a total heart commitment to Jesus, who keeps you as long as you walk in the light! 1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.(unrighteousness)
There are several scriptures that will contradict this sinless perfection notion, and clearly show not all sin is the same in God’s eyes, this is very important to understand, to show that the perfection God is looking for, as mentioned above comes from the heart, through purity and sincerely, and righteousness.Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, You could have no authority against Me unless it were given to you from above. Therefore he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin. Mar 3:29 But he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never shall have forgiveness, but is liable to eternal condemnation. Luk 12:47 And that servant who knew his lord's will and did not prepare, nor did according to His will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he not knowing, and doing things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For to whomever much is given, of him much shall be1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not to death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not continue to sin, but the one born of God guards himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
1Jn 5:19 We know that we are of God, and all the world lies in evil .And to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Luk 12:49 I have come to send fire on the earth.
So not all sin is the same in the eyes; of God, and you cannot put ALL sin into the same category, as most in the system do, trying to prove we are teaching sinless perfection, when in reality we are teaching, sincerity, purity, and obedience from a heart made pure through repentance and faith, walking in perfect obedience to the Son, who has set us free from the bondages of sin and corruption!
Now if you think committing adultery, or watching porn occasionally is ok, since all sins lead to death, and all sins are pre forgiven, then you have fallen off the narrow path, and need to understand, not all sin leads to death, but if any thought, word or deed leads to sins of the flesh as listed above, which requires a willful and premeditated effort to do, then you must repent, 2 Corinthians 7-10-11, doing your first works, (Rev 2-5)putting to death the old man, once and for all, totally dependent on the strength and power of Christ to keep you on the narrow path, ready to shed blood if needed to resist any temptation that will lead you into the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life! Heb 12:4 You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Tommy 2 -2-12

AnandaHya · Apr 10, 2012

"lets all sin!!!!!!"

how many of these threads do we need?

if people actually took the time to listen to one another you would realize most of you are agreeing with each other.

do you just like to be contentious and bash people who go to church?

so you went to one of the fake ones, find a real one and stop being so bitter.

Tombo · Apr 10, 2012

Grandpa said:

The people who have come on recently and are preaching you must reach sinless perfection on your own before you can be saved don't realize a few things.

The first is that when we are trying to attain sinlessness on our own their is always at least one impossible hurdle for us that we can't get over on our own. We need help.

The second is that when we think we are sinless we really arent. All we have done when we think we are sinless is brought God's Law down to a point where it is possible for Flesh to follow it. Flesh can't follow God's Law perfectly. The Lord Jesus showed us that when He showed us that Lust in our thoughts is sin, and anger in our thoughts is sin.

The next is the value of the Lord Jesus Christs blood. We don't deserve to be cleansed by it. There is nothing we can do to deserve it. God gave it to us out of Love for us. It is a free gift. It is the only thing that makes us righteous to God. Our deeds or lack of deeds don't atone for our soul. Only the Blood of the Lord Jesus can atone for our soul.

The Lord changes us. We are a new creation. We were completely hopeless and stuck in sin. When we are saved by Him He causes us to want to be like Him. We want to walk as He walks. He gives us the gift of repentance. He gives us the gift of prayer. He gives us the gift of righteousness. He gives us the gift of wisdom. He gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit. It is all a gift and you don't deserve any of it because of what you have done or not done. He gives it freely because He Loves Us.

Trying to attain sinlessness is not a bad thing. It is what we are supposed to do. When you find you can't do it on your own you are supposed to call on Jesus Christ, your Saviour.

With men this is impossible. But with God all things are possible.

A big Amen to this post.
God bless.

Tom

AnandaHya · Apr 10, 2012

Red33 said:

you know that "rich man" shows up again in scripture, right?

Matthew 27
57 Now when evening had come, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be given to him. 59 When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed

Mark 15

42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44 Pilate marveled that He was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him if He had been dead for some time. 45 So when he found out from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. 46 Then he bought fine linen, took Him down, and wrapped Him in the linen. And he laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock, and rolled a stone against the door of the tomb.

Luke 23

50 Now behold, there was a man named Joseph, a council member, a good and just man. 51 He had not consented to their decision and deed. He was from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who himself was also waiting[o] for the kingdom of God. 52 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. 54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.

John 19
38 After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus. 39 And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds. 40 Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury. 41 Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. 42 So there they laid Jesus, because of the Jews’ Preparation Day, for the tomb was nearby.

Jesus was able to SAVE HIM, because with God all things are possible.

the guy had to have the riches in order to give his grave to Jesus so that the prophecy about Him being buried with rich people would be fulfilled... note that they used 100 pounds of myrrh which is the amount used to bury a KING and it is also one of the spices the wise men brought upon Jesus birth.

Its not about being "rich" its about the heart, Rich or poor it does not matter, God uses people as He wishes. He gives and He takes away.

Luke 19:2
Now behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus who was a chief tax collector, and he was rich.

cfultz3 · Apr 10, 2012

I have not read so far how everyone is speaking scripturally, yet no one tried to glue it all together. If you all are speaking from the Word, why not then as brothers work together to know how it all works together............

Indeed, no one can walk in the Light and the darkness at the same. We as humans can only have one master, be it God, Satan, or flesh.

You, by the conviction of the Spirit, have to repent from your sins. If not, then you choose your own path.

If you are in Christ and sinning, then you are not being led the Spirit, but are in rebellion towards Him.

Now, they who are in darkness and are being called and humbled by God to come to the Light, will have to repent of their sins before there is grace from the Atonement. Where there is no willingness to atone for your sins, then there is no atonement for you.

They of uis who return to darkness will likewise have to be humbled before receiving grace. But then again, the camel and the eye of the needle comes to mind.

Indeed, salvation can be lost by the choice of whom you will follow. The Spirit towards the Light, Satan towrds the darkness, the flesh towards death.

cfultz3 · Apr 10, 2012

AnandaHya said:

Oh my goodness!!!!!

Sister, I did not read your post and I felt the very sentiments of the third sentence.

Tommy4Christ · Apr 10, 2012

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so you went to one of the fake ones, find a real one and stop being so bitter.

I agree, BUT few are teaching truth, if your church is mixing truth with error, its not being bitter, but warning those to flee if thier beloved pastor isnt teaching repentance and faith proven by deeds.

[SIZE=+0]God has Granted Man the Grace of Repentance PROVEN by DEEDS, to Forgive his sins and Restore him to a Right and Clean Relationship, Washed & Purged by the Blood of Christ. Man is Free to Choose, which makes him responsible to Obey. (Josh24:15) We are Workers Together with God in the Process of Redemption. (2Cor6:1) The Pastors have fallen prey to a Deadly Error by insisting man must be Saved in his sins. Flee them if you Can! [/SIZE]

Tommy4Christ · Apr 10, 2012

Few churches are teaching truth, and Jesus gave this warning to the few who would listen: Any church that teaches you get saved In your sins, just believe, and trust in the finished work of Christ, your sins are pre forgiven, substitution, or the sinners prayer, and not repentance unto salvation, are teaching a false gospel,, expose them and flee!!!!

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues!

Tombo · Apr 10, 2012

Tommy4Christ said:

Romans 5:6-10 "For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person- though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die- but God shows His love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since therefore, we have now been justified by His blood, much more shall we be saved by Him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by His life."

Can't you see by these verses that it is God who saved us first, before we repented? It clearly says that Christ died for us while we were still sinners, and that we were reconciled to God while still enemies to God. This is the true order of things, my friend. Give all glory to God and stop trusting in anything that you have done to save yourself.
God bless.

Tom

AnandaHya · Apr 10, 2012

yeah well you can keep looking for the darkness and seeking the speck in others eyes and missing the plank in your own. personally I'm going to listen to some music...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B1Lv8k5pEc[/video]

there are churches out there walking in Faith and not just mouthing the words. I hope you find one to grow and flourish in and truly understand what it means to be a member of the Body of Christ.

VII · Apr 10, 2012

Red33 said:

The following is a story about a man with great possessions that obeyed all the commandments from his youth, was not living in any known outward sin, yet Jesus could not save this man. What was it about this rich man lacked and that kept him from inheriting eternal life. Keeping the commandments was not enough in (Mt 19:16-26)...

you say he was not living in any known outward sin. he may not be breaking the ten commandments. but what would we think all his time was spent on, seeking God, helping his brothers and sisters in need? I would think building up more and more worldly garbage, spending all of his time on it and his own desires denying himself nothing.

Just like us today, the next vacation, sports team, news, gatherings, working 60+ hours a week to spend less than 50 hours awake in the place they are in debt to. Too busy fixing up something that broke. Too eager to seek fiction, or fantasy. Watching news as they spew wrath (both democrat and republicans and everything in between) watching sports as they jump around and spew more wrath in revelry

I used to do the same, would always seek anything I wanted to do for fun, any good food, sex, drugs, concerts, porn, the new gadgets that was out, the next movies and game, the bigger TV, better subwoofer. Watch news as a condemn others and spew hateful wrath (never thought that was a sin) Me me, me, me. never turning to God, never told it was needed. Just believe and tell Him sorry and you will enter heaven they would tell me. Always told we do not have to do ANYTHING for God, how many still think that is true?

Are we to think as long as we don’t break the Ten commandments we will enter heaven? Also are we to only stop at fighting what we do and not what we think?

AnandaHya · Apr 10, 2012

so what do you think upon now VII ?

do you follow God's commandments? do you read the Bible? do you do these things?

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Ephesians 5:18-22
New King James Version (NKJV)
18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.[a]

do you know how all the Law and prophets hang upon two commandments to LOVE God and LOVE your neighbor?

or do you search for the specks?

VII · Apr 10, 2012

The next is the value of the Lord Jesus Christs blood. We don't deserve to be cleansed by it. There is nothing we can do to deserve it. God gave it to us out of Love for us. It is a free gift. It is the only thing that makes us righteous to God. Our deeds or lack of deeds don't atone for our soul. Only the Blood of the Lord Jesus can atone for our soul.

The Lord changes us. We are a new creation.

i will agree to a point however what is our duty as the new creation, spend all out life on things of this world, or all our life seeking Him?

you said our lack of deeds do not atone for our soul. true it does not make up for our past, His blood covers our sin. but what we do after that is my point. we have much work to do after being saved. what is the fate of the unprofitable servant, bad branch, unfruitful tree, he who walks in darkness? are we to think all of those are atheists and Buddhists?

Tombo · Apr 10, 2012

VII said:

Red33 said:

I don't know what people, or what church was telling you those things, but they were dead wrong. It is true that nothing can seperate us from the love of God once we're saved, but to say that we can live any way we please is not from the Bible. In fact, Paul was accused of teaching the very thing you speak of when he maintained that we are saved by grace apart from works. Read Romans chapters 3 and 6 carefully.
No truly saved person will blatantly live in sin, that is impossible if we are united with Christ in His death.
You have been given advice from some bad people who don't understand anything of the true grace of God.
God bless.

Tom

Tombo · Apr 10, 2012

VII said:

I don't think anyone here would disagree with what you've just written here. The only thing I would disagree with is that a person can earn their salvation in any way, or lose their salvation. Now in saying that, I am not saying (and no true Chirstian would say) that we can now live any way we want because Jesus' blood covers all of our sins. Anyone with an attitude like that shows that they are not saved at all.
God bless.

Tom

lets all sin!!!!!!

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