Is willful deliberate sin an option?
Jas 1:13 Let no one being tempted say, I am tempted from God. For God is not tempted by evils, and He tempts no one.
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted by his lusts, being drawn away and seduced by them.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin. And sin, when it is fully formed, brings forth death.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin. And sin, when it is fully formed, brings forth death.
Many will teach a real convert can fall into vile sin and still be saved, because the grace of God covers them, and that God doesn't see their wicked fallen heart, but the heart of Jesus! This comes from the false substitution teaching sweeping the churches for many years.
This isn't an attempt to defend against substitution, moral transfer, penal substitution, original sin, etc,, as this has been covered well on many posts. and especially repentance and faith proven by deeds. 2 Cor 7-10-11.
I just want to differentiate between what constitutes disqualification from the kingdom, and what doesn't, and many accuse us of sinless perfection, and then defend sin by saying Christian’s sin every day in thought, word and deed!
Scripture says otherwise.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace
Rom 11:22 Behold then the kindness, and the severity of God; on those having fallen, severity; but on you, kindness, if you continue in the kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die. But if you through the Spirit mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
So mistakes, poor judgments, and the many faults we have are in no way sins that will lead to death!
But to say you can be tempted by your lusts, then drawn away by them, then seduced by them, giving into the temptation, where sin in now conceived, then fully formed, brings fourth death and separation from God!
Notice the process:
1, Temptation
2, strong willful desire
3, Surrendering to the sin, given over to it
4, The result is death (spiritual)
Now you just don't fall into these sins, you don't walk along and fall into whoremongering, adultery, and porn watching, so why some can say all sin is the same, and most professing Christians can fall into vile sins of the flesh and still be in the will of God is beyond me as we are totally responsible before God for all our actions, thoughts, words, and deeds.
They must be pure, holy, and done with right motives, not to harm, hurt, or condone sinful pleasures.
Our intentions in all we say and do must be pure, and not to harm or cause evil towards anybody.
Our spirit will guide us in all things, but we must be willing to yield to it, and any conviction we get from it, must be adhered to, such as mistakes we make, or things we say, NOT to cause harm to others, but in general observations, and professional evaluations of people we work and interact with.
Now the real process can take place, separating the sheep from the goats, as the sheep are the ones who have gone through real godly sorrow and repentance, 2 Cor 7-10-11, crucifying their flesh with Christ, Gal 2-20, and walking in newness of life. 2 Cor 5-17.
Now willful deliberate sin, as described above, is a thing of the past, crucified with Christ,(in reality, not positional) where you now come out from among her, Rev 18-4, be separate, and guard your heart and soul from ALL sin and temptation that leads to death!
Most in the system have never repented, biblically, because they have never been taught repentance and faith as the Bible does, and are still wallowing in their sins, and worldliness, or they are still in some form of bondage to it, giving into its lusts and desires on occasion, thinking this is the normal Christian experience.
Willful deliberate sin leads to death, just one time, not many times, as to King David, he fell into his lustful desires, and paid a high price for it.
He did seek repentance(real godly sorrow) and was forgiven, but lost much like most of us have from our sinful desires. Psalms 51-1.
Please don't ask me if I am sinless, or ask me do you ever sin? This is a straw man cop out I am afraid, but I do make mistakes, poor judgment’s, have many personality faults, and God is working with me on those, none of which are sins that lead to death.
But I do not give into willful sin anymore, as I guard my heart, watch what I put into my mind, what I read, who I associate with, and avoid all appearances of evil.1Th 5:21 Prove all things, hold fast to the good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from every appearance of evil.
We must grow in wisdom, purity, sincerity, and love, not to sin less and less, the big sins, must be put to death in repentance: Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Those who have truly repented of their sins, and have done their first works, do not have the option to fall into willful sins of the flesh, and if they do they must repent and hope God will grant them a second repentance.
Rev 2:5 Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and will remove your lampstand out of its place unless you repent.
Now the scary Hebrew verses make sense, not applying to those in the system who have not repented, and are still in bondage to sin, but it definitely applies to those who have truly repented, and are following Jesus on the narrow road!
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He who despised Moses' Law died without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy of punishment, the one who has trampled the Son of God, and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Don't be drawn away by your lustful thoughts and temptations, draw near to God and He will draw near to you, stop being double minded, and walk a life dedicated to Him, who came to set you free from the bondage's of sin and death, ONCE AND FOR ALL, not in steps, where you sin repent, sin repent (willful, deliberate sin) thinking you are still in the will of God.
He is patient and merciful to us all, we all deserve death, and He will keep us, as long as we abide IN Him, avoid all willful sins, and work on becoming more aware of our faults and mistakes, putting them to death IF they cause us to fall into willful, sins, giving into the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life!
Tommy 4-13-12
This isn't an attempt to defend against substitution, moral transfer, penal substitution, original sin, etc,, as this has been covered well on many posts. and especially repentance and faith proven by deeds. 2 Cor 7-10-11.
I just want to differentiate between what constitutes disqualification from the kingdom, and what doesn't, and many accuse us of sinless perfection, and then defend sin by saying Christian’s sin every day in thought, word and deed!
Scripture says otherwise.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace
Rom 11:22 Behold then the kindness, and the severity of God; on those having fallen, severity; but on you, kindness, if you continue in the kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die. But if you through the Spirit mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
So mistakes, poor judgments, and the many faults we have are in no way sins that will lead to death!
But to say you can be tempted by your lusts, then drawn away by them, then seduced by them, giving into the temptation, where sin in now conceived, then fully formed, brings fourth death and separation from God!
Notice the process:
1, Temptation
2, strong willful desire
3, Surrendering to the sin, given over to it
4, The result is death (spiritual)
Now you just don't fall into these sins, you don't walk along and fall into whoremongering, adultery, and porn watching, so why some can say all sin is the same, and most professing Christians can fall into vile sins of the flesh and still be in the will of God is beyond me as we are totally responsible before God for all our actions, thoughts, words, and deeds.
They must be pure, holy, and done with right motives, not to harm, hurt, or condone sinful pleasures.
Our intentions in all we say and do must be pure, and not to harm or cause evil towards anybody.
Our spirit will guide us in all things, but we must be willing to yield to it, and any conviction we get from it, must be adhered to, such as mistakes we make, or things we say, NOT to cause harm to others, but in general observations, and professional evaluations of people we work and interact with.
Now the real process can take place, separating the sheep from the goats, as the sheep are the ones who have gone through real godly sorrow and repentance, 2 Cor 7-10-11, crucifying their flesh with Christ, Gal 2-20, and walking in newness of life. 2 Cor 5-17.
Now willful deliberate sin, as described above, is a thing of the past, crucified with Christ,(in reality, not positional) where you now come out from among her, Rev 18-4, be separate, and guard your heart and soul from ALL sin and temptation that leads to death!
Most in the system have never repented, biblically, because they have never been taught repentance and faith as the Bible does, and are still wallowing in their sins, and worldliness, or they are still in some form of bondage to it, giving into its lusts and desires on occasion, thinking this is the normal Christian experience.
Willful deliberate sin leads to death, just one time, not many times, as to King David, he fell into his lustful desires, and paid a high price for it.
He did seek repentance(real godly sorrow) and was forgiven, but lost much like most of us have from our sinful desires. Psalms 51-1.
Please don't ask me if I am sinless, or ask me do you ever sin? This is a straw man cop out I am afraid, but I do make mistakes, poor judgment’s, have many personality faults, and God is working with me on those, none of which are sins that lead to death.
But I do not give into willful sin anymore, as I guard my heart, watch what I put into my mind, what I read, who I associate with, and avoid all appearances of evil.1Th 5:21 Prove all things, hold fast to the good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from every appearance of evil.
We must grow in wisdom, purity, sincerity, and love, not to sin less and less, the big sins, must be put to death in repentance: Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Those who have truly repented of their sins, and have done their first works, do not have the option to fall into willful sins of the flesh, and if they do they must repent and hope God will grant them a second repentance.
Rev 2:5 Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and will remove your lampstand out of its place unless you repent.
Now the scary Hebrew verses make sense, not applying to those in the system who have not repented, and are still in bondage to sin, but it definitely applies to those who have truly repented, and are following Jesus on the narrow road!
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He who despised Moses' Law died without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy of punishment, the one who has trampled the Son of God, and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Don't be drawn away by your lustful thoughts and temptations, draw near to God and He will draw near to you, stop being double minded, and walk a life dedicated to Him, who came to set you free from the bondage's of sin and death, ONCE AND FOR ALL, not in steps, where you sin repent, sin repent (willful, deliberate sin) thinking you are still in the will of God.
He is patient and merciful to us all, we all deserve death, and He will keep us, as long as we abide IN Him, avoid all willful sins, and work on becoming more aware of our faults and mistakes, putting them to death IF they cause us to fall into willful, sins, giving into the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life!
Tommy 4-13-12
