S
selenah
Guest
I want to do what God wants one minute, but the next I want to reject God and do wrong.
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I want to do what God wants one minute, but the next I want to reject God and do wrong.
S
selenah
Guest
S
Strong1
Guest
700 and some odd posts later, and this is what your saying?
Selenah, I can see why you asked the question in the OP. Your concerned because of the very statement you have just made.
You have to make a choice. Choose God's way, and live. That's it. If you arent willing to, then let's be real...you know the answer. It's obvious that noone's answer will satisfy you with what you are really trying to hear.
i promise you, sweetie, every single one of us have been through that before, and i also promise you, that everyone here in this forum still struggles with this in some form or manner...
that's our flesh getting in the way of the Spirit.
S
selenah
Guest
L
Laodicea
Guest
T
Tombo
Guest
Just don't become of the same spirit that this Pharisee is:
Luke 18:9-14 "He also told a parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 'Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a pharisee the other a tax collector. The pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus; 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give thithes of all that I get.' But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."
Look to Jesus alone, Selenah. If you look to works of any kind, you will fall from grace and be lost.
I'm just trying to warn you to be wary of anyone who tells you that you must do something in order to become saved. Good works and repentance follow salvation. Good works or repentance do not initiate it, protect it, or accomplish it. It is all of God's grace.
God bless.
Tom
Luke 18:9-14 "He also told a parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 'Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a pharisee the other a tax collector. The pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus; 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give thithes of all that I get.' But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted."
Look to Jesus alone, Selenah. If you look to works of any kind, you will fall from grace and be lost.
I'm just trying to warn you to be wary of anyone who tells you that you must do something in order to become saved. Good works and repentance follow salvation. Good works or repentance do not initiate it, protect it, or accomplish it. It is all of God's grace.
God bless.
Tom
You tell her she is saved in her sins, we tell her to repent or perish, Jesus made it clear! Luke 13-3....
The truth is a bitter pill to swallow, Jesus said a few will be saved, the gospel message is clear, this young lady needs truth that can save her soul, not some false way to the cross, there is only one way,
repentance and faith proven by deeds, is it unloving to tell someone if they continue IN sin, and believe they will never loose thier salvation they will not make it into heaven?
There is a huge difference between the Kingdom of God which Jesus preached, and your modern contemporary message the apostate churches are preaching, the confusion lies in telling a young person searching for truth, you can sin, sin, sin, and make it into the Kingdom.
Easy believism isn't in the Bible I read, quit tickling the ears of many with your saved In sin, cant fall away false gospel, repent, and follow Jesus, not complicated at all, even a child can understand, but most are fed the lie!
repentance unto salvation!
Now you got salvation!
the best way to know who God is on a personal and intimate level is to read the Gospels, and to read about the life of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God the Son, and gives us a beautiful picture into the mind of who He is, what He wants, how much He truly loves us, and what He has done for us.
1 Corinthians 13 is also a good chapter in having a basic understanding on who God is... i know you've probably heard this chapter repeated in movies and weddings a lot, but it is very true. Love is patient, love is kind, love never boasts... all of these are qualities of God the Father.
He does indeed love you, and wants the best for you... i know at this early of an age, you want to be extremely independent, away from the status quo, get away from your parents, get away and do your own thing... i understand that completely... and that's a normal thing to experience at your age.
you're trying to find out who you are in this world... that's completely understandable as well...
things can be difficult in this period, but dont let the throes of the world and the changes of your body tell you that no one cares about you or loves you...
people do love you. people do care about you.
Jesus loves you.
dont let your desire to become independent and become your own woman lead you down a road that will hurt you... whether it be emotionally, physically, spiritually, psychologically, or mentally.
S
Strong1
Guest
See now that's wonderful. While you search you will surely find him. Some of us take a long long time to know Him, that's what having a relationship with him is all about. Like best friends. Can you know them unless you communicate together.
God knows your heart though. He knows what's best for us, even when we cannot see this ourselves. So why not just let Him be Lord of your life, like he wants to be, and then whatch everything else fall right into it's place. I always say to my son, (who is your age) You trust what I*(mom) says, because you know me"Yeah" I tell him, "How much more your heavenly Father. You don't trust him enough because you havent gotten to know him. And when you do, through reading His Word, and the Holy Spirit as your guide, you'll trust him with everything within you. I mean tangable like how you trust your mother."
A
AnandaHya
Guest
its good to seek to know more of God, Selenah.
Love you. hugs
May God give you the strength and wisdom to resist the temptation to do wrong and the joy and peace that comes from learning to live by the guidance of His Spirit.
Romans 8:1-3
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
S
Strong1
Guest
___________-
This is not talking about eternity (salvation) death, it is talking about your earthly death and it in no way more confirms that the righteous will die and go to damnation forevermore than the moon is made of cheese.
Only...............................................
God
Reveal
All
Covenant
Enjoyments, I pray for you, Tommy, Sinski, Jimmy, and, my list could go further but I will top.
GRACE ! And, that happens at REPENTANCE and ACCEPTANCE in Christ into your life.
What more do I need to say really ?
Do I REALLY need to list my Salvation Process thread over and over???
By the grace of God, I sure hope not, I would like to let it lie, for the babes of Christ to be able to just understand that it is so SIMPLE to accept Christ and their sins are gone FOREVERMORE !
Why do you KEEP persecuting ? Why? Why? Why ?
Believe in grace. You repented, you got MERCY ! Now, believe in His grace for you. If He loves the animals and cares for them, how much more so does He love you???
Have faith, Tommy, in the everlasting, everloving Father who created you and me for a purpose of following Him, through all the ups and downs of life to salvation.
Be contrite, TREMBLE at his word, but not to guilt you , just convict YOU of your sin. Quit thinking you can't get rid of it , you can , by His grace, again and again and again.
Believe AND receive Him !! Simple .Do it. Take nothing from that and add nothing to it. Just take 'it.' That is from Him, for you to have (a gift) forevermore, and, of course, as you go along the salvation process path, your faith will quicken and you will become more and more, and, more, did I say 'more?' steadfast in your faith, He will complete the good work He began in you, whateve 'it' is and despite the FACT you are going to be an unfinished work all the way to your DEATH ! We all are that way, it is because of our SIN, and, OUR IMPERFECTION, our nature!
Can't you grasp that ?
Red said it a zilla times, tombro's said it a million times, cee's said it a thousand hundred times, all them are red in the face now, and, you can't tell'em apart they are so blue, darkened to a hue so blue that their mouths they speak from look like the blood of Christ as they open them to you, covering you, trying, anyway, to get you to grasp that your Lord is salvation of YOUR life, not you.
It is NOT about you. It's not about ANY of us. It's about Him. It's all about Him and it should be He saved us from DEATH, from dying, from anything more than an earthly death that passesINANINSTANT! Praise be to my God, our God, .
Thanks for your humble response, I know you see us as monsters, trying to earn our salvation, but I believe you are in grave eror to say Eze ch 18 isnt spiritual death, but physical death, when verse
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
No such thing as OSAS, I rest in Jesus as well, BUT He isnt a cloak form my sin, and I mean willful sins of the flesh, I walk in His power and strength, not my own, I am very secure IN Him as long as I stay IN the vine(IN Him) I fear Him also and keep His commands, I do not believe you just say a prayer to confess, accept, and trust in His provision, no you must repent and obey His commands, deparet from iniquity, walk in the light, hold fast to your faith.
I know its not about me, that is why I have forsaken my flesh through repentance and faith, walking in newness of life, guarding my heart, and serving Him in purity, sincerity and love.
He wont do it for me, or look the other way when I sin against Him, remember the unrighteous wil not inherit the kingdom of God, and its about Him working through me, keeping me strong against the wiles of the devil.
Its a choice, we choose to disobey Him, and follow our flesh, He will allow that to happen,
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
S
selenah
Guest
I already did. Earlier today I told myself I was going do what God wants and was going to study the Bible. I had a bunch or resources and different things that I was going to use. Then I got angry at someone and everything just went out the window. Idk I'm going in circles.
C
cfultz3
Guest
Greeny,
I love you my brother. You most certainly have a way with words. Don't ever change the way you say things, they have a big impact.
I love you my brother. You most certainly have a way with words. Don't ever change the way you say things, they have a big impact.
T
Tombo
Guest
He made his works gospel as clear as day by the underlined portion of what he wrote!!!!! You obey to receive the Holy Spirit??!! What a lie from hell that is. We obey after being saved. An unsaved person will not even want to repent or obey.
But I know they will continue to spew their lies. We must be here to warn the young and weak Christians to flee from their teachings.
God bless.
Tom
S
Strong1
Guest
Oh darling, you can be angry without sin...(The bible says this)
Nothing went out the window. It is good to appologize if you need to though, for whatever happened today. When God created you, he had a plan in mind. he knows the plan, you dont. Nothing you do disappoints God. He already knows what you'll say, or do before you do it. So you can't shock him. In John 3 Jesus says, That God sent his son into the world, not to condemn it, but that the world through Him, might be saved!
He goes on to say that, this is where condemnation comes in......That light (Jesus) came into the world, and men won't recieve Him, because they are wicked, and love darkness (sin) more. So if this is you/or me, He's saying that's how were condemned. All by ourselves. By the decisions we make and the reprocusions that proceed poor choices. Noy by Him.
When you get to know what God expects from you, through "eating" his words. You'll no longer feel like your going in circles.
Selenah made this thread asking for encouragement, and some of you pop in here arguing about who is right and wrong YET again. Wake up people...this thread is NOT one where you need to be arguing in. Some of you are so blind and arrogant that you cant see the point in what she is wanting to know. Stop the bickering!
I don't care what this person approves of or what that person supports. This is a situation where a young soul is asking for help. Dealing with her eternal life, and some of you cant shut up arguing enough to see that!
LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE!
I don't care what this person approves of or what that person supports. This is a situation where a young soul is asking for help. Dealing with her eternal life, and some of you cant shut up arguing enough to see that!
LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE!
E
eternally-gratefull
Guest
No I did not ignore it, I answered your question with a question. Jesus did this all the time,
Not just circumcision, by all the law. You are doing the same thing they were doing, you just can't see it, because circumcision is not included. I bet you believe in baptismal regeneration don't you? That is no different than circumcision, they both represent the same thing.
It is Christ who works in us, He did not say it is our faith. Your being catholic here!
Yes it is. Paul us talking to us. Those born again by God, given eternal life. He is not talking to those dead in Christ, who are unable to do this. What paul taught is how a Christian fulfills the law. if your not born again, this means nothing to you.
We are saved eternally by faith, then we walk by faith to grow in Christ. this is not what your teaching.
how do you clean the inside? By faith in Christ, he was telling them their righteousness was not good enough, and exposing their inward sin. to show them they to needed a savior. which they did not believe.
what does jesus say? we are cleansed by the word. not doing good deeds.
beware of false teachers and prophets who come in teaching heresy. for they are dogs who return to their own vomit. Paul is teaching against the licentious crowd her. who claim salvation but inward they are Dogs, who will ravage the faithfull if given the chance.
You don't think I teach this? you don't know me very well.
Those dead in christ can have no purity. they are dead, they can do nothing good, they are in need of salvation. Your talking about those who are not saved. Only those who are saved can have a pure heart. Your have it backwards, and are teaching law, because your backwards, you demand this first. then salvation, which is impossible., But you can;t see that.
I can't forsake my sin as a non believer, I can only admit I am in sin, and seek salvation.
Your teaching law. Your teaching it is our own works of righteousness which we have done, which saves us. Titus 3: 5 would disagree with you. We are washed by the renewing of the HS, not by our own good deeds.
And I agree completely.
Those who have not come to Christ will die in their sin
those who have come to Christ will obey our words and epistle.
No you have twisted scripture to make your belief believable to you. But you have not answered anything. You want me to have a spirit of fear. Paul says I have not been given one, You continue to live in fear because you have not found or tasted grace, ifg you had, you would see god as a loving father.
I already answered this by proving we do not have to fear.
But I will help you understand what Peter said.
In vs 4
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
We HAVE ALREADY ESCAPED the corruptoion of the world in lust. Having been given the exceeding and great and precious promises of God. what are those promises?
Justification, redemption, sanctification, Eternal life. If you do not have these. you have not excapsed, you are still in the world, and still dead in your sin.
As for the other. Make sure your salvation is real, and not a fake. We should always teach this in our churches. there will always be people who do not truely believe Christ, there will always be dogs in our midst. And there will always be people who have yet to make a decision to trust Christ. and to them, it is a danger if the world gets ahold of them and they fall from the truth they have been taught, but have yet to make a decision on.
But again, If you want to recieve the spirit of fear. Feel free.
Last edited by a moderator:
E