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I'm not saying that it didn't have a creator, I believe god did create the earth. Just not in 6,000 years like what the bible says, not with all the evidence supporting it being 4.54 billion years old. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the terminology 'magic man' but technically isn't that what god really is???
S
So you're a Christian, yet choose to believe the teachings of men without faith as opposed to our miraculous Creator, the One who put us on Earth, and the only man in exsistence who has never told a lie? So, through the Bible, with explanations in Genesis of how He made the earth, you're effectively saying that God is a liar? Because you said that you don't believe it was so... I would try exercising a bit of faith that our awesome God doesn't actually lie to us...
THE BIBLE (THE WORD OF GOD) SAYS THAT GOD MADE THE WORLD IN 6 DAYS AND HE RESTED ON THE 7TH DAY. God took 6 days to create the World, not 4.54 billion years. END OF.
P.S. Since we have had specific instructions from God to stay away from all evil devilsh forces including witchcraft, I believe it derogatory to associate our pure, Holy and perfect God with the term 'magic man'.
THE BIBLE (THE WORD OF GOD) SAYS THAT GOD MADE THE WORLD IN 6 DAYS AND HE RESTED ON THE 7TH DAY. God took 6 days to create the World, not 4.54 billion years. END OF.
P.S. Since we have had specific instructions from God to stay away from all evil devilsh forces including witchcraft, I believe it derogatory to associate our pure, Holy and perfect God with the term 'magic man'.
I'm a Catholic and I choose to believe in what seems most reasonable, which to me happens to be that the earth is 4.54 billion years old. The reason I don't believe it happened how the bible said it does is because in Genesis 1 it says god created light and darkness on day two, but then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars, the very sources that create our light. I'm sorry but that just seems like common sense to not take it so literally. Below are two links that you can read about some of the evidence about for the age of the earth and make the call for yourself. If you still want to believe the earth is 6,000 years old by all means go for it, I however don't 
Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nature.nps.gov/geology/usgsnps/gtime/ageofearth.pdf
P.S. I am in no way saying god did not create us. That is not what I'm trying to prove and I'm honestly sorry if that's how you feel I'm coming off cause it's not what I'm trying to do
Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nature.nps.gov/geology/usgsnps/gtime/ageofearth.pdf
P.S. I am in no way saying god did not create us. That is not what I'm trying to prove and I'm honestly sorry if that's how you feel I'm coming off cause it's not what I'm trying to do
S
I'm a Catholic and I choose to believe in what seems most reasonable, which to me happens to be that the earth is 4.54 billion years old. The reason I don't believe it happened how the bible said it does is because in Genesis 1 it says god created light and darkness on day two, but then on day four he creates the sun, moon, and stars, the very sources that create our light. I'm sorry but that just seems like common sense to not take it so literally. Below are two links that you can read about some of the evidence about for the age of the earth and make the call for yourself. If you still want to believe the earth is 6,000 years old by all means go for it, I however don't
Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nature.nps.gov/geology/usgsnps/gtime/ageofearth.pdf
P.S. I am in no way saying god did not create us. That is not what I'm trying to prove and I'm honestly sorry if that's how you feel I'm coming off cause it's not what I'm trying to do
Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nature.nps.gov/geology/usgsnps/gtime/ageofearth.pdf
P.S. I am in no way saying god did not create us. That is not what I'm trying to prove and I'm honestly sorry if that's how you feel I'm coming off cause it's not what I'm trying to do
Again, I'm not trying to offend you or anyone for that matter, so I don't want this to turn into any form of an argument, I just feel its necessary to be said.
S
Yes I believe EVERYTHING that the Bible says. I try my very best to follow everything, however since myself and the entirety of mankind will never be perfect, I don't always get it right. Infact I don't get it right A LOT of the time. But I never said that if you're not perfect in every single way then you don't have faith in God, I said if you don't believe everything that God is telling you, then you're not really exercising your faith in God - because everything that comes from God is truth. Just remember that believing is very different from what actions you actually carry out... but at least if you have those solid beliefs, then you can try your very best to do what God would want of you.
I can see this going down an argumentative route, so for the sake of ChristianChat and viewers I think this should probably be end of conversation. But thankyou for your point of view, I'm sure we've both managed to view our beliefs.
Just to enforce, I am NOT perfect by any means. If you want real proof of that, then feel free to email me and ask me for my testimony.
God Bless,
Sophie
I can see this going down an argumentative route, so for the sake of ChristianChat and viewers I think this should probably be end of conversation. But thankyou for your point of view, I'm sure we've both managed to view our beliefs.
Just to enforce, I am NOT perfect by any means. If you want real proof of that, then feel free to email me and ask me for my testimony.
God Bless,
Sophie
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. (1 Timothy 2:12)
Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
Those are some of the reasons I don't believe every little thing that the bible tells me.
Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
Those are some of the reasons I don't believe every little thing that the bible tells me.
And I was simply pointing out that it was literal. The jews literally followed it for a longgggggg time. But then, Jesus came and ended the need for those laws (Romans 10).
The women teaching thing is a whole different topic, one that is vastly off topic. However, that also was VERY literal. It was written in a letter from Paul and was later literally carried out in the church. For many many years, including to this day among some churches. Whether it should still be honored everywhere is off topic, and not really beneficial here.
Unfortunately, I find your examples quite lacking. I take the bible, including creation, as literal. I'm not pompous enough to think that I understand the specifics of what God did or didn't do. That said, I think it is literally an account of what he did. Not a scientific text on the subject, but still a literal account.
The women teaching thing is a whole different topic, one that is vastly off topic. However, that also was VERY literal. It was written in a letter from Paul and was later literally carried out in the church. For many many years, including to this day among some churches. Whether it should still be honored everywhere is off topic, and not really beneficial here.
Unfortunately, I find your examples quite lacking. I take the bible, including creation, as literal. I'm not pompous enough to think that I understand the specifics of what God did or didn't do. That said, I think it is literally an account of what he did. Not a scientific text on the subject, but still a literal account.
K
I agree with the idea that science and Christiniaty aren't enemies, however not all that we call science is good science. People think that just because something is said to be proved it is actually true, but even in the Science field, some theories are very uncertain. Science can be wrong because men can be wrong...however if men knew perfect science then I agree that it would align perfectly with what God says.
I happen to lean towards the Old Earth Creation theory, I have read some ways of interpreting the time gap in Genesis which really make sense to me, although my church holds a Young Earth view, as many churches do. It really frustrates me when people make these discussions a matter of salvation though, I think what one can't change on this matter is this: God created the universe and Adam and Eve didn't come from monkeys since they were created in God's image.
I need to study this more, but right now the Old Earth view is the one which makes more sense to me...
I happen to lean towards the Old Earth Creation theory, I have read some ways of interpreting the time gap in Genesis which really make sense to me, although my church holds a Young Earth view, as many churches do. It really frustrates me when people make these discussions a matter of salvation though, I think what one can't change on this matter is this: God created the universe and Adam and Eve didn't come from monkeys since they were created in God's image.
I need to study this more, but right now the Old Earth view is the one which makes more sense to me...
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R
My church also holds a young Earth, literal translation of Genesis. I may be the only one there that reads Genesis as primarily allegorical, but I don't know. It doesn't come up a lot.
I don't think you should ever put faith in science. It doesn't ask you to and there is no reason to. Science is knowledge. It can be KNOWN.
If anything, however, science relies on faith- faith that there is order. Faith that constants are constant. Faith that we can know what lies beyond what we already know.
Even if monkeys were used as the building blocks to create humans...so what? That doesn't mean humans are monkeys. That doesn't lessen the amazing gifts God has given the human race. It doesn't really change anything at all that's in the Bible and it doesn't strip you of your salvation.
I don't think you should ever put faith in science. It doesn't ask you to and there is no reason to. Science is knowledge. It can be KNOWN.
If anything, however, science relies on faith- faith that there is order. Faith that constants are constant. Faith that we can know what lies beyond what we already know.
Even if monkeys were used as the building blocks to create humans...so what? That doesn't mean humans are monkeys. That doesn't lessen the amazing gifts God has given the human race. It doesn't really change anything at all that's in the Bible and it doesn't strip you of your salvation.
W
the problem specifically with monkeys is that the bible says God created things, to create means to make from nothing
It also said man was made in Gods image, it does not say this of any animal.
I don't think animals have soul, but I think they are created with a knowledge of God (as scruptures many times refers to them giving praise).
It also said man was made in Gods image, it does not say this of any animal.
I don't think animals have soul, but I think they are created with a knowledge of God (as scruptures many times refers to them giving praise).
R
the problem specifically with monkeys is that the bible says God created things, to create means to make from nothing
It also said man was made in Gods image, it does not say this of any animal.
It also said man was made in Gods image, it does not say this of any animal.
Yeah, I think God left a fingerprint on all of creation. We see it from time to time but mistakenly refer to those characteristics as being somehow 'human-like.'