Obama emailed me about gay marriage

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RoboOp

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Here's the email I got just now from Obama (seriously, somehow I got put on this Democrats.org mailing list). He makes himself pretty clear, that he wants gay marriage in America. Here it is (all bold emphasis mine):

RoboOp [actually it was my real name here] --

Today, I was asked a direct question and gave a direct answer:

I believe that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.

I hope you'll take a moment to watch the conversation, consider it, and weigh in yourself on behalf of marriage equality:

Stand with the President — Barack Obama [link removed]

I've always believed that gay and lesbian Americans should be treated fairly and equally. I was reluctant to use the term marriage because of the very powerful traditions it evokes. And I thought civil union laws that conferred legal rights upon gay and lesbian couples were a solution.

But over the course of several years I've talked to friends and family about this. I've thought about members of my staff in long-term, committed, same-sex relationships who are raising kids together. Through our efforts to end the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, I've gotten to know some of the gay and lesbian troops who are serving our country with honor and distinction.

What I've come to realize is that for loving, same-sex couples, the denial of marriage equality means that, in their eyes and the eyes of their children, they are still considered less than full citizens.

Even at my own dinner table, when I look at Sasha and Malia, who have friends whose parents are same-sex couples, I know it wouldn't dawn on them that their friends' parents should be treated differently.

So I decided it was time to affirm my personal belief that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.

I respect the beliefs of others, and the right of religious institutions to act in accordance with their own doctrines. But I believe that in the eyes of the law, all Americans should be treated equally. And where states enact same-sex marriage, no federal act should invalidate them.

If you agree, you can stand up with me here.

Thank you,

Barack
 
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RoboOp

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I'm glad he's at least being clear where he stands -- so that Christians know to stand far away from him!
 

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Notice all the talk about homosexual "couples" "raising kids together" (yuck). That's the whole problem with legalizing gay marriage. Then gays have "equal rights" to adopt children (since they can't make a child!), and so then the government is giving innocent babies and children to homosexual pairs and lesbian pairs, to be their "Dad & Dad" or their "Mom & Mom" (yuck, sorry).

But Obama is all for it.

I'm glad he's at least clear and not hiding his agenda, so we all know who to avoid voting for.
 
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RoboOp

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And as for "equal rights", I also believe that homosexuals and lesbians should have equal rights. And actually, they already do. A homosexual has the same rights and restrictions as a heterosexual. A homosexual has a right to marry the opposite sex, just like a heterosexual. That's equal rights.

The law is the same for everyone. You have the right to marry the opposite sex. Everyone has that right. You don't have the right to "marry" the same sex, and take innocent children (I mean adopt) and "raise" them in that environment (which would be the ultimate homosexual indoctrination for a child, and ultimate confusion, not to mention other issues/concerns).

Also Obama is separating himself from whole state majorities that voted the opposite of what he's pushing. So, carry on Obama!
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Being an admin, you should be able to express your opinions on matters like this without saying yuck....

I agree children should be raised with a mother and a father, but the option of two dads is still better than no parents at all....
 

RoboOp

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As a user, I'd like the same liberty granted to everyone else, including the liberty to type what I feel at the thought of an innocent baby boy being given to two gay men for them to "raise", calling them "Dad" and "Dad" (yuck).
 

RoboOp

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And for that baby to grow up in an environment of two gay men sleeping in the same bed together (yuck), and being raised to think that's a normal "family" (yuck).
 

RoboOp

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Having said that, homosexuals who want to be set free from that yucky lifestyle are absolutely welcome on our site, as we do offer the answer for that sin and all sins. But don't blame me for reacting with a natural reaction. The last time I was in America, two gays parked right in front of me (so that our cars were face to face) and they wouldn't stop making out right in front of me (yuck). Yes it was and is yucky to me. It just is.
 
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Thank you for opinion but for me"NO TO SAME SEX MARRIAGE!!!" THE BIBLE WILL NOT CHANGE...

MATTHEW 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

MATTHEW 12:36
But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
 
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Also Obama is separating himself from whole state majorities that voted the opposite of what he's pushing. So, carry on Obama!
That is what we will find out during the elections. If he does get voted for president, then appearently the majority does agree with him. Besides that, he also said that every state should have the independent right to legalize it or not.
 
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And for that baby to grow up in an environment of two gay men sleeping in the same bed together (yuck), and being raised to think that's a normal "family" (yuck).
haven't you seen the TV show "Two and a half men" and many more that try and "normalize" things that are morally questionable?

I wasn't exposed to "teenage" movies until college and movies like "American Pie" and others depict an unrealistic reality I see people try and live out. Its awful that we allow TV to brainwash a whole generation of people, but too often critical thinking skills are sacrificed for higher multiple choice test scores or more accurately multiple guess scores.

Most people lose interest if it takes more than 15 minutes to do or read.

However I am deeply disappointed that people are going to vote about religious values of the candidates versus the real issue of how the person will run the country.

Mormons are not in line with the Bible either.
 
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Yeah, he apparently announced this in some news conference today. Can't say i'm exactly surprised. He is listed as the first ever US president to take a pro-gay marriage stance.
 
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Stand with the President — Barack Obama [link removed]


If you agree, you can stand up with me here.

Thank you,

Barack
Stand with President Obama? We should be sure to stand AGAINST him.
 

RoboOp

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Stand with President Obama? We should be sure to stand AGAINST him.
I hope you know I was not saying to stand with Obama (quite the contrary). The part you are reacting to is a quote from Obama's letter.
 

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haven't you seen the TV show "Two and a half men" and many more that try and "normalize" things that are morally questionable?

I wasn't exposed to "teenage" movies until college and movies like "American Pie" and others depict an unrealistic reality I see people try and live out. Its awful that we allow TV to brainwash a whole generation of people, but too often critical thinking skills are sacrificed for higher multiple choice test scores or more accurately multiple guess scores.

Most people lose interest if it takes more than 15 minutes to do or read.

However I am deeply disappointed that people are going to vote about religious values of the candidates versus the real issue of how the person will run the country.

Mormons are not in line with the Bible either.
Hi AnandaHya God bless you

The thing is, Obama is speaking out as president, trying to influence the whole country, and thereby influence legislation, to allow gay marriage (and hence give children to homosexual male pairs and lesbian female pairs as "parents"). Also when a Supreme Court justice seat is available, it's filled by whoever the president chooses. So a president like Obama will try to fill such a seat with a liberal justice to accomplish his agenda. So I think this issue is definitely part of how he will run the country.

And maybe it does just makes me dislike Obama more. Sorry :)

As for Mormons, yes amen, and I'm not fan of Romney. But I don't hear him speaking out such destructive ideas like this, so I assume he doesn't have such a liberal agenda like that, and wouldn't try to influence legislation to that effect or appoint liberal justices for such an agenda. So he may be "the lesser of the two evils". Or you could just vote for an independent. Or vote for yourself, or for me. :) (You have the right to write in any name onto the ballot -- my friend always writes in his own name since he doesn't like any of the candidates.) :)
 
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People are just simply living with each other as a couple these days anyways. So why should they care...besides, them getting married isn't gonna justify their sin in any sort of way.
 
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I hope you know I was not saying to stand with Obama (quite the contrary). The part you are reacting to is a quote from Obama's letter.
Yeah, I know that isnt what you were saying. I was responding to what it said in the email, not directly to you.
 

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People are just simply living with each other as a couple these days anyways. So why should they care...besides, them getting married isn't gonna justify their sin in any sort of way.
Hi there lil_Christian :)

Well I can see that reasoning -- let people do what they want, as as long as they're not hurting others. It's true that we shouldn't try to legislate morality. Like, we're not trying to make laws against fornication, etc.

But as I stated before, the one big problem is that "equal rights" to marry naturally means equal rights to adopt children. So it is hurting other people -- the most innocent and vulnerable people -- little children.

It should be unthinkable to give a baby boy to two gay men to "raise" (as Obama obviously thinks is okay), and call that a family. So that's my main issue with "gay marriage".
 
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Hi there lil_Christian :)

Well I can see that reasoning -- let people do what they want, as as long as they're not hurting others. It's true that we shouldn't try to legislate morality. Like, we're not trying to make laws against fornication, etc.

But as I stated before, the one big problem is that "equal rights" to marry naturally means equal rights to adopt children. So it is hurting other people -- the most innocent and vulnerable people -- little children.

It should be unthinkable to give a baby boy to two gay men to "raise" (as Obama obviously thinks is okay). So that's my main issue with "gay marriage".
I'm sorry, but religiously liberal rights like circumstition are much more harmful to those vulnerable little children.