Actually it affects our nation since laws are usually based on moral concepts. If a law is not based on a concept consistent with GOD's moral character or expressed will, correction or judgement will follow
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Actually it affects our nation since laws are usually based on moral concepts. If a law is not based on a concept consistent with GOD's moral character or expressed will, correction or judgement will follow
Does it affect you personally though? Does to men or two women going to down to a courthouse and getting a marriage license physically affect you in any way?
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jack4022
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1) I feel that u have a right to express ur opinion and not be labeled a bigot, I think it's unfair if u've been labeled as such and would like to apologize if that's something that's happened to u
2) The reason people label and stereotype on both sides of the argument is fear. People on the traditional marriage side r afraid of their rights and freedoms being restricted and possible ramifications of the legalization and or acceptance of Lesbian and Gay marriages. On the opposite side, people are afraid that they will be unable to have the same benefits and oppurtunities as heterosexual Americans. There is also an irrational but very real fear that more rights could be taken away from sexual minorities if traditional marriage is made into a constitutional amendment.
3) According to Christianity, the answer to fear and hate is love and understanding. I believe that if both sides can foster an understanding of one another a mutual agreement could successfully be reached. With that understanding love is more likely to be fostered between the two sides rather than hate or fear, hence why im on here
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AnandaHya
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legalization of lesbian and gay marriage does not cause those who oppose it fear that their rights or freedoms will be restricted but that their children will become confused and more accepting of other sins in addition to deviant sexual practices because the government has made it legal. It was legal during Roman times. the fact that it is morally frown upon in the US is actually viewed as strange by the world.
but then Scripture speaks of this too:
1 Peter 4:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime[a] in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you. 5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
but then Scripture speaks of this too:
1 Peter 4:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 For we have spent enough of our past lifetime[a] in doing the will of the Gentiles—when we walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you. 5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
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AnandaHya
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Point well taken. Man does not live in a vacuum. Modern individualism, when taken to an improper extent, overlooks this important fact.
That's not a physical aspect though, but even though how would it affect the spiritual environment children grow up in?
Yes it would in the form of agnst both in the natural and spiritual realm. Correction or judgement on a nation will affect all to some degree.
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Crossfire
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Up until recently I lived in North Carolina and I can tell you this, most Christians there have no problem with Civil Unions. The reason why this bill prohibits Civil Unions is simple:
Biblically speaking, Gay Marriage should ever be allowed however, homosexuals are very insistant that they want gay marriage or nothing at all. Civil Unions are the middle ground. By taking Civil Unions off of the table, it is a sign of strength, that if homosexuals are unwilling to negociate on this issue then neither will they. Civil Unions are the ultimate goal however, if homosexuals are not willing budge on their position of "all or nothing", then they will get exactly what they asked for... nothing.
Biblically speaking, Gay Marriage should ever be allowed however, homosexuals are very insistant that they want gay marriage or nothing at all. Civil Unions are the middle ground. By taking Civil Unions off of the table, it is a sign of strength, that if homosexuals are unwilling to negociate on this issue then neither will they. Civil Unions are the ultimate goal however, if homosexuals are not willing budge on their position of "all or nothing", then they will get exactly what they asked for... nothing.
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jack4022
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This is true, and I feel that a push for civil unions would go better than marriage. However, many christians even oppose civil unions saying that it is marriage by another name. The drive for marriage is because it would signify that we are finally equal to heterosexuals. In my personal opinion the LGBT community has some demons they need to address and laws that need to be passed BEFORE they address the marriage issue. In many states including my own (Ohio) a person can be fired or evicted from their home simply for being LGBT. I have a friend that was fired because his boss had a problem with gay people. The demons in the community include high STI rates among gay men, though they are becoming increasingly common among heterosexuals, high rates of alcoholism, drug use, and smoking, and LGBT teens who end up homeless, or being bullied at school and a high suicide rate among LGBT teens. All are issues that i speak about passionately, it's a shame more queer people don't speak up about them.
They are most likely unwilling to negotiate the issue because they want the same legal rights for their spouses, they want to file taxes together etc.
God doesn't push his will on us (as far as I understand biblically he gave us free will) so why must Christian's push their views on others ? There is a difference between opposing, giving guidance and then living YOUR life and banning people from marrying because it's against your religion.
God doesn't push his will on us (as far as I understand biblically he gave us free will) so why must Christian's push their views on others ? There is a difference between opposing, giving guidance and then living YOUR life and banning people from marrying because it's against your religion.
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SantoSubito
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That doesn't mean it should be allowed by law. By your and the definition of many others we could only lawfully forbid interspecies marriage and underage marriage. Polygamy would be a wide open possibility (and indeed the same crowd that agitates for gay marriage would have no rational grounds for opposing polygamy), but polygamy would never be approved because it offends the cultural sensibilities of Americans, and it's the same sensibilities you now rail against because they "deny rights"
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Crossfire
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Because we live in a nation which prides itself on equality for all of it's residents (of course we all know that is far from reality), myself and many Christians that I know have no problem with homosexual couples filing jointly on their taxes, carrying the other on their insurance, allowing their partner to be their beneficiary, etc. All of this can be accomplished through Civil Unions.
However, for most homosexuals, gay marriage is not about equal rights. It's about using the government to force others to accept something that their religion teaches is morally unacceptable. In doing so, the homosexual sexual agenda is pressuring the government to violate the first amendment right to freedom of religion for many Americans regardless of what religion they believe. This must never be allowed which is why Civil Unions are the only way that homosexuals will get equal rights without violating the rights of others.
Pretty cut & dry....
I disagree that most have motives other than equal rights. I could understand them only being allowed to get civil unions if marriage was purely a religious happening, but its not, people of all and of no religion get married. though I do not believe churches shouldn't be forced to preform the ceremonies . It wouldn't be forcing acceptance it would be forcing tolerance, you don't have to accept something as alright to tolerate it happening, letting members of the same sex isn't violating others rights, it doesn't effect anyones heterosexual marriage or make it less valid, if you don't support gay marriage you don't have to participate in one.
If people were really concerned about the institution of marriage they would be focusing on the amount of divorcing that goes on, not focused on people who love each other and want to spend their lives together.
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Wesley
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I personally think that people should mind their own business, and not that of others. Who you marry affects me in no way, shape or form.
The Constitution requires, however, that the government treat all citizens equally. I like that. The government does not belong in our bedroom.
The Constitution requires, however, that the government treat all citizens equally. I like that. The government does not belong in our bedroom.
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SantoSubito
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And the government isn't in anyone's bedroom. Sodomy or homosexual sex is not illegal.
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Wesley
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When the government defines the rights of people differently based on their sexual proclivities -- i.e., when it denies gays equal protection under the law as guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment -- it is ipso facto prying into the sexual behavior of a person. It is telling them, "If you want the full panoply of rights, you must have this and not that form of sex."
Your objection is therefore a strawman.