Evolutionism and creationism Poll

[feedm3]

Even if I did not believe in God, which I do, I would not swallow the evolution kool-aid. If I did not believe in God, I would not cover my eyes to the abundance of evidence that screams their MUST be a designer.

I would probably believe some strange theory the states we were seeded from aliens, or even living in a Giant computer program being played like the Sims by some other beings. I would accept that before I would believe everything created itself by billions of series of accidents, and the complexity of life, matter, DNA, our amazing brain and bodies, with all the complex design from our atoms to our neurons is all just by chance.

Life begets life, it does not and can not be created from non living matter, to believe that is not science, it is fiction, science fiction.
People mock me by saying, "you believe in a talking snake", yet they believe a snake ultimately like everything else that is living came from absolutely nothing, from non living matter. So saying that, who believes in a bigger miracle? When science cant explain something, it's called a "singularity", I don't and wont buy into that.

I know this is not the view of all evolutionists, as their are many views, but just giving my two cents.

 

[trust_in_the_name]

I would accept that before I would believe everything created itself by billions of series of accidents, and the complexity of life, matter, DNA, our amazing brain and bodies, with all the complex design from our atoms to our neurons is all just by chance.

A rather nice example of the classic "random chance" straw man of evolution. Just sayin'.

Life begets life, it does not and can not be created from non living matter

Isn't that what God did when He created man: created life from non-living matter (the dust of the ground)? Juuuuust sayin'.

 

[feedm3]

A rather nice example of the classic "random chance" straw man of evolution. Just sayin'.

Straw man argument? Do you think this does not exist in wide theory of evolution? What have you been reading? Do you have a TV? It's all being taught all the time, over and over. No need for a straw man, grab any high school text book and read it. I stated "I know this is not is not everyones view", knowing thier are theisitic evolustionists, which have another view of how it all began, dont agree with them either. But to say the argument for intellengt design vs "random chance" is a straw man argument, leads me to the assumption you are very uniformed as to what is being taught by the mainstream science.

Isn't that what God did when He created man: created life from non-living matter (the dust of the ground)? Juuuuust sayin'.

NO your completely wrong. He made our bodies out of nothing, the life came from the ultimate source of life God himself (and he breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul). The life came from life - God, not the dust of the ground. If your "juuuust saying", I would humbly say stop "sayin"', start readin.

 

[trust_in_the_name]

Straw man argument? Do you think this does not exist in wide theory of evolution? What have you been reading? Do you have a TV? It's all being taught all the time, over and over. No need for a straw man, grab any high school text book and read it. I stated "I know this is not is not everyones view", knowing thier are theisitic evolustionists, which have another view of how it all began, dont agree with them either. But to say the argument for intellengt design vs "random chance" is a straw man argument, leads me to the assumption you are very uniformed as to what is being taught by the mainstream science.

I'm not by any means saying that "the argument for intelligent design vs. 'random chance' is a straw man argument." I'm just pointing out that equivocating evolution and random chance is a straw man, since evolution is not random chance. In fact, chance does play a part in evolutionary theory, but of course there's a lot more to it than that. Therefore, to equivocate the two is a mischaracterization of the theory, and therefore a straw man.

NO your completely wrong. He made our bodies out of nothing,

That's a direct contradiction to what it says (see below).

the life came from the ultimate source of life God himself (and he breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul). The life came from life - God, not the dust of the ground. If your "juuuust saying", I would humbly say stop "sayin"', start readin.

Here's what it says.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (Genesis 2:7)

So, man was made from the dust of the ground, as I said, and God then breathed the breath of life into him. The breath of life is commonly understood to be man's spiritual aspect: the soul, or spirit. So both of these played a part in man's creation.

But that's not all. Genesis also tells us that plants and animals were brought forth out of the earth, and that God formed them out of the ground.

11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:11-12)

20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:20-21)

24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind"; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:24-25)

19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.

 

[G4JC]

 

[feedm3]

I'm not by any means saying that "the argument for intelligent design vs. 'random chance' is a straw man argument." I'm just pointing out that equivocating evolution and random chance is a straw man, since evolution is not random chance. In fact, chance does play a part in evolutionary theory, but of course there's a lot more to it than that. Therefore, to equivocate the two is a mischaracterization of the theory, and therefore a straw man.

If we follow evolution all the back to the big bang theory, then yes everything is by chance. Look at the order of the universe, this is taught to happen all by chance, the positioning of the sun,earth and moon. If the planet came to the order it is in by chance, then so is evolution, me, you and everything. Everything had to be perfect in order for life to "evolve" and if that order came by chance, so did the origin of the evolutionary process.
Again I know you may not believe this, nor in the big bang, or maybe you do. Still I gave my reasons of why I do not accept this teaching. If you do not believe this way, then it does not apply to how you believe, but I have talked to many that do believe this, and my argument is valid. Maybe not true with what you believe, I have no idea what that is.

That's a direct contradiction to what it says (see below).



Here's what it says.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (Genesis 2:7)

No it's not a condraticion, if you assert that, please show it. It says, breathed into his nostrils THE BREATH OF LIFE. Before this occured, the body was dead or non living. So God made from one source of non living matter (Dust) and and created another form of non living matter (man). Then He gave the reformed non-living matter(man) the breath of life, which only after this, man (non living) became (Now alive) a man with a soul, conscience, he became alive. No contradiction at all. Life came from Life, it still continues the same way now.

So the actual error lies in your interpretation when God formed man from the dust, he made life from nothing. Ignoring the fact, man was not alive until God have him the breath of life. Since God is alive, and he gave the breath of life to a non-living clump of matter, life was not created from nothing, nor anything non living.

Even we today can take matter and alter it, we are not making life. No one has ever created anything alive from something that was not already living. Therefore it is a theory, it remains unobserved, and goes against the laws of nature and true science. Nothing wrong with theories, but when they are forced down are throats as fact, that's when I have a problem.

If one theory can be taught, then so should another. If evolution can be taught in school, so should creationism.

 

[FSUBoy966]

How do we know God didn't just set the world into play and let evolution take its course? God having the foreknowledge of what exactly evolution would lead to (humans.)

 

[BillyTheKid]

How do we know God didn't just set the world into play and let evolution take its course? God having the foreknowledge of what exactly evolution would lead to (humans.)

Because God's word says he created man. And a side note, this poll doesn't give all the choices. There are different types of Evolution. So you should have added more possible answers. I believe that evolution has and still does exist. I do not believe that man was created by evolution.

 

[BillyTheKid]

And by "you" I mean the person that created the poll.

 

[FSUBoy966]

Because God's word says he created man. And a side note, this poll doesn't give all the choices. There are different types of Evolution. So you should have added more possible answers. I believe that evolution has and still does exist. I do not believe that man was created by evolution.

God could've created a single cell with the intention that eventually humans would come out of evolution.

 

[BigFriendlyApologist]

Who knows, could be all sorts of reasons. His ways are not our ways, nor are His thoughts our thoughts (Isaiah 55:8-9). His ways are unsearchable, and His judgments are past finding out (Romans 11:33). Therefore we should trust Him and not rely on our own understanding (Proverbs 3:5).

Maybe He wanted a universe like the one we have now but didn't want to wait around 14 billion years for the good part.

God is eternal. Such an explanation makes no sense. To such a being, time is nothing.

 

[jimmydiggs]

How do we know God didn't just set the world into play and let evolution take its course? God having the foreknowledge of what exactly evolution would lead to (humans.)

It would not longer be "textbook" Evolution.


Personally, I'm fine with God's answer to the matter.

 

[Pete888]

There is a great deal more evidence in support of evolution than for the existence of a Creator.

 

[Willot]

Pete, Evolution doesn't tackle the question "Is there a creator?" All it does is say "If there is a creator, then this is how he did it."
Evolution does nothing to suggest nor dismiss the existence of a creator. I think quite a lot of people don't see that.

But yes, there is actual physical evidence in support of evolution. The existence of creator though? Not so much.

 

[FirePanther]

Of course I don't believe in the THEORY of Evolutionism, I don't reicoignize my self in a monkey i'm sorry Anyway I think studying this theory makes many people confused because they believe that since you study it at school is something sure, but the truth is that it is still a theory. I don't want to create an endless debate about it, but if we come from monkeys, why right now we have both men and monkeys? eheh just a thought..I believe all this wonderful earth was made by the Creator =)

 

[BigFriendlyApologist]

I don't want to create an endless debate about it, but if we come from monkeys, why right now we have both men and monkeys? eheh just a thought..I believe all this wonderful earth was made by the Creator =)

To answer your question. Here is a wonderful answer from PBS:

"Humans did not evolve from present-day apes. Rather, humans and apes share a common ancestor that gave rise to both. This common ancestor, although not identical to modern apes, was almost certainly more apelike than humanlike in appearance and behavior. At some point -- scientists estimate that between 5 and 8 million years ago -- this species diverged into two distinct lineages, one of which were the hominids, or humanlike species, and the other ultimately evolved into the African great ape species living today."

 

[Willot]

Let me clear this up for everyone, a theory is not something thought up by a drunken man after a night in town ok? Just putting it out there.

 

[Willot]

And FirePanther, you are not a monkey just because you have evolved from one of the ancestors of the modern monkey. In the same way as you are not a lump of coal just because you contain carbon.

 

[hhhlga89]

This is a little interesting post I saw on Hot Air, you should check it out.

Poll: Nearly half of America is creationist « Hot Air

 

[Willot]

To be perfectly honest, I think the whole subject is a mixture of stupidity, ignorance and misinformation. No matter how much evidence there will be for evolution. There'll always be a group of people who believe in literal 6 day creation and talking snakes hook, line and sinker.