Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[rainacorn]

I don't get why people have a problem with the Popes using a gold-plated cross staff that has been in use for God knows how long. Let me ask you something, does your pastor have jewelery? Does his wife and daughter? Do you? Are you really going to condemn the Pope for having a gold crucifix and trimmed vestments that have been passed down for from Pope to Pope and hold immense sentimental value, not just to the Pope, but to the whole Catholic Church, while you may still be holding on to grandma's pearl necklace?

That's not an answer.

Unless I am supposed to take from this that you think Catholic Churches should appear to have been designed by Donald Trump, paid for by the tithes of the congregation?

I would hate to put words in your mouth (as you guys keep doing to me), so say plainly how you interpret those verses.

 

[IronMaiden]

This absolutely ridiculous. Protestants are Christians, and Catholics are Christians. That in my open is a major similarity, so you could put your petty difference aside and solve an actual problem or you could keep fighting about this on this website. And for all the people who say some of the traditions are against your belief is like saying no one is allowed to eat donuts because you are on a diet. If I may quote Matthew 7:1 "Do not Judge others and you will not be judged." So, again you could be solving a real problem or you can just continue this preposterous bashing of the Catholic CHRISTIAN faith.

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

1 Corinthians 5:9-13


Immorality Must Be Judged

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.

10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.

11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?

13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”[d]


The bible clearly states in other parts that we are to separate from things not of God. How do we tell? Perhaps by discerning with the Holy Spirit, looking to fruit, and comparing actions and practices with the bible.

Is it judging to discern when a brother is in error? Is it judging to help correct and give a brother the truth?
To call oneself a Christian is to be held to a higher standard than the world. We are called to help brothers who are in sin and to help them before it is too late. Would you call this judging or love? Many parts of the bible clearly state that in the end the professing Christian church will follow every wind of doctrine, but as we're taught, there is one doctrine. We are to speak the same thing and have the same mind and judgment. Obviously there are rifts everywhere in Christianity today with so many doctrines floating around and people earnestly fighting for them and believing them to be correct. There is one doctrine and when you listen to the Holy Spirit, He will not contradict among those that He calls His own. His children hear His voice. We are to rightly divide the word of God with the Holy Spirit guiding our interpretation.

So is this bashing the Catholic faith? Or is this simply pointing out the errors of people who profess to be brothers? We have a calling to help a brother in need, and seeing a professing brother follow doctrines that differ from the bible is definitely a time where we have to act. I do believe this is an act of love

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This absolutely ridiculous. Protestants are Christians, and Catholics are Christians. That in my open is a major similarity, so you could put your petty difference aside and solve an actual problem or you could keep fighting about this on this website. And for all the people who say some of the traditions are against your belief is like saying no one is allowed to eat donuts because you are on a diet. If I may quote Matthew 7:1 "Do not Judge others and you will not be judged." So, again you could be solving a real problem or you can just continue this preposterous bashing of the Catholic CHRISTIAN faith.

There is one gospel. Not 2 not three.

If Catholics are true Christians, then no protestant is saved.

Sadly many who claim to be christian, catholic or protestant, are still on the outside looking in because they are trying to enter by the wide gate

 

[raf]

You can say us catholics are not christians all you want but I know in my heart I believe in jesus no matter how much hate i receive on this chat especially in the lounge protestants telling me im going to hell, and making accusations saying i worship mary, all ganging up on me repeating stuff like parrots not understand what theyre saying. Go ahead with all the hate against catholics I know one day god will judge everyone.

 

[raf]

Why was iron maiden banned is it because he said catholics were christians?

 

[iraasuup]

Why was iron maiden banned is it because he said catholics were christians?

No, that is not the reason. You should also familiarise yourself with the rules. As a general rule, we don't discuss bans with other users. Unless of course they ban was a result of a blatant attack on the site or some such similar incident, and we feel it necessary to publicly document all evidence (on both sides of the incident) for people to see the truth.

However, in this incident, I can assure you the reason for Ironmaidens ban had nothing to do with the current 'catholic heresy' topic.

Contrary to what some may say, we DO NOT ban without good reason.

 

[Rahz]

I couldn't resist..

1 Peter 2

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.



The Catholic Church is the Only Christian faith that fulfills this verse. We honor God with temples fit for a King as best as man can build. No other christian faith can say or come close to what the Catholic faith does for God. The works of the faith and its people far surpass what any christian faith has done. The country of Haiti is just a small example:

1. Built 10,600 transitional shelters
2. Provided 10 million meals to more than 1 million people
3. Organized medical teams that performed more than 1,000 emergency surgeries and conducted 71,000 outpatient consultations
4. Helped workers crush enough rubble to fill almost 1,800 dump trucks
5. Hired more than 12,000 people in temporary cash-for-work programs

That Gold Cross the Pope is holding is to HONOR GOD, do you have a problem with that?

 

[loveme1]

1 Peter 2

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.



The Catholic Church is the Only Christian faith that fulfills this verse. We honor God with temples fit for a King as best as man can build. No other christian faith can say or come close to what the Catholic faith does for God. The works of the faith and its people far surpass what any christian faith has done. The country of Haiti is just a small example:

1. Built 10,600 transitional shelters
2. Provided 10 million meals to more than 1 million people
3. Organized medical teams that performed more than 1,000 emergency surgeries and conducted 71,000 outpatient consultations
4. Helped workers crush enough rubble to fill almost 1,800 dump trucks
5. Hired more than 12,000 people in temporary cash-for-work programs

That Gold Cross the Pope is holding is to HONOR GOD, do you have a problem with that?

It is not of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

He may hold that to honour his god, but it is not Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah they give honour to.

 

[kayem77]

1 Peter 2

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

The Catholic Church is the Only Christian faith that fulfills this verse. We honor God with temples fit for a King as best as man can build. No other christian faith can say or come close to what the Catholic faith does for God. The works of the faith and its people far surpass what any christian faith has done. The country of Haiti is just a small example:

1. Built 10,600 transitional shelters
2. Provided 10 million meals to more than 1 million people
3. Organized medical teams that performed more than 1,000 emergency surgeries and conducted 71,000 outpatient consultations
4. Helped workers crush enough rubble to fill almost 1,800 dump trucks
5. Hired more than 12,000 people in temporary cash-for-work programs

That Gold Cross the Pope is holding is to HONOR GOD, do you have a problem with that?

There's no problem with having a nice church, the problem is saying that a building is God's temple. Scripture says otherwise.

Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? 1 Cor 3:16

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. 1 Cor 6:19-20

And what union can there be between God’s temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said:“I will live in them and walk among them.I will be their God, and they will be my people.
2Cor 6:16

The only time when God physically inhabited a temple built by men was in the OT, in the tabernacle and temples built by the Israelites. But this wasn't God's definite plan , his plan was to dwell among us, in our hearts. I've seen many beautiful and big churches (even protestant churches) where the Spirit of God cannot be found.

Even Salomon said: "But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 1Kings 8:27

Honoring God should be our purpose in this life, but honor doesn't come from material things. God wants obedience, God wants our heart.

 

[GreenNnice]

1 Peter 2

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.



The Catholic Church is the Only Christian faith that fulfills this verse. We honor God with temples fit for a King as best as man can build. No other christian faith can say or come close to what the Catholic faith does for God. The works of the faith and its people far surpass what any christian faith has done. The country of Haiti is just a small example:

1. Built 10,600 transitional shelters
2. Provided 10 million meals to more than 1 million people
3. Organized medical teams that performed more than 1,000 emergency surgeries and conducted 71,000 outpatient consultations
4. Helped workers crush enough rubble to fill almost 1,800 dump trucks
5. Hired more than 12,000 people in temporary cash-for-work programs

That Gold Cross the Pope is holding is to HONOR GOD, do you have a problem with that?

Christ alone is Judge, rahz, scripture verbatim states, peace is what you should be speaking and the joy of the Lord, not condemnation to those not believing like you.

I hope and pray you pray to Him to figure that out before your Christ's church, only catholic's saved, doctrine is told to God on your day of judgment

Peace. Hebrews 12:14

 

[iraasuup]

1 Peter 2

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.



The Catholic Church is the Only Christian faith that fulfills this verse. We honor God with temples fit for a King as best as man can build. No other christian faith can say or come close to what the Catholic faith does for God. The works of the faith and its people far surpass what any christian faith has done. The country of Haiti is just a small example:

1. Built 10,600 transitional shelters
2. Provided 10 million meals to more than 1 million people
3. Organized medical teams that performed more than 1,000 emergency surgeries and conducted 71,000 outpatient consultations
4. Helped workers crush enough rubble to fill almost 1,800 dump trucks
5. Hired more than 12,000 people in temporary cash-for-work programs

That Gold Cross the Pope is holding is to HONOR GOD, do you have a problem with that?

Sounds me like your seeking praise for works? Salvation is not earned.. and it is not based on 'works or good deeds'. Sure, works is a part of it, for faith without works is nothing, but you don't receive 'salvation' or a one-way ticket to heaven by performing good deeds.

You should have a relationship with Jesus Christ. You should seek first to honour Him in all you do. It is BECAUSE you choose to love and follow Him that you do works, because you are choosing to 'love the unlovable' or show compassion to the outcasts, as Jesus would have. BECAUSE of His love for you, you then can love others..sometimes by doing 'works'... but 'works' alone do not make you a 'better person in God's book'. Nor do fancy buildings you deem 'temples'. In fact the church is not the building, but rather the people. Going to 'church' (as in the building) does not make you a Christian, any more than sitting in a garage makes you a car. It's about relationship.

 

[Ian8383]

We Catholics are Christians.

I agree, I am not a Catholic and don't agree with the Catholic church on a lot of things but i will say one thing let no one tell you whether or not you are saved. God decides for all of us who are saved and who is not. God bless.

 

[Rickee]

You are Saved by totally obeying What Jesus and Apostles taught us in The Original First Century Church. If you had 10 Million Dollars, and died and gave every Penny of it to Charity....but have not obeyed the Scriptures, you will have died Lost. You cannot buy Salvation with Money, nor Good Works alone.

 

[Rickee]

Thank God for the reformation!

That's my two cents.

I agree, I am not a Catholic and don't agree with the Catholic church on a lot of things but i will say one thing let no one tell you whether or not you are saved. God decides for all of us who are saved and who is not. God bless.

God does decide who is saved....and he tells us how to be saved. So if we don' t want to accept what He and his Apostles taught....then we die lost very simple. Only One Gospel, One Plan of Salvation ever taught Jesus died for Our sins; however there is a plan of salvation to follow and obey. His Sacrifice was for those willing to follow him, and what he says. Too many people going around believing they do whatever they wish, and be saved because Jesus died for our sins, so in their mind they are saved, no matter what they believe ....Sadly this is not the case....

 

[Rickee]

1 Peter 2

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.



The Catholic Church is the Only Christian faith that fulfills this verse. We honor God with temples fit for a King as best as man can build. No other christian faith can say or come close to what the Catholic faith does for God. The works of the faith and its people far surpass what any christian faith has done. The country of Haiti is just a small example:

1. Built 10,600 transitional shelters
2. Provided 10 million meals to more than 1 million people
3. Organized medical teams that performed more than 1,000 emergency surgeries and conducted 71,000 outpatient consultations
4. Helped workers crush enough rubble to fill almost 1,800 dump trucks
5. Hired more than 12,000 people in temporary cash-for-work programs

That Gold Cross the Pope is holding is to HONOR GOD, do you have a problem with that?

You can build. 10,000 new Churches a week, feed everybody on Earth..and Still not be saved from The Lake of Fire.....because you refused to follow the exact salvation plan Jesus and Apostles taught in the Only Church Jesus started in The First Century......Sorry The RCC is not that Church..

 

[Rickee]

......Catholic Charities, and Donations from Roman Catholics Contribute to why the RCC has the $$$$$ to do these works. Catholic Church owns and Operates Orphanages in all Third World Countries...they more or less sell these unwanted Children for Between $5,000 to 10,000 to those who want to adopt these children. It is a Business, not really Charity. Why do you think the RCC is so adamant about No Birth Control, and No Abortion? More babies equals Mucho $$$$$. Please, I already researched this stuff..

 

[Rahz]

Sounds me like your seeking praise for works? Salvation is not earned.. and it is not based on 'works or good deeds'. Sure, works is a part of it, for faith without works is nothing, but you don't receive 'salvation' or a one-way ticket to heaven by performing good deeds.

You should have a relationship with Jesus Christ. You should seek first to honour Him in all you do. It is BECAUSE you choose to love and follow Him that you do works, because you are choosing to 'love the unlovable' or show compassion to the outcasts, as Jesus would have. BECAUSE of His love for you, you then can love others..sometimes by doing 'works'... but 'works' alone do not make you a 'better person in God's book'. Nor do fancy buildings you deem 'temples'. In fact the church is not the building, but rather the people. Going to 'church' (as in the building) does not make you a Christian, any more than sitting in a garage makes you a car. It's about relationship.

Okay because I answer one aspect of our faith you make an assumption that that is the only aspect I look at in my LIFE? You know nothing about who I am and what Honor I give or don't give to God. I give
ALL Honor to God, as He rightfully deserves, though imperfectly as all men.

If my church service was in a cardboard box, I would go there! But because God is All-Encompassing our faith should try to address God in Heart, Mind, Body, Soul, Spirit, Truth, Works, knowledge as well as material things, which the Catholic Faith addresses beyond any and all faiths.

 

[iraasuup]

Okay because I answer one aspect of our faith you make an assumption that that is the only aspect I look at in my LIFE? You know nothing about who I am and what Honor I give or don't give to God. I give
ALL Honor to God, as He rightfully deserves, though imperfectly as all men.

If my church service was in a cardboard box, I would go there! But because God is All-Encompassing our faith should try to address God in Heart, Mind, Body, Soul, Spirit, Truth, Works, knowledge as well as material things, which the Catholic Faith addresses beyond any and all faiths.

Well what did you expect? You only spoke about that one aspect. Your entire post was based on how great the catholic church is for doing all these works.. and how that made catholics better than Christians. And about your wonderful 'temples' That was precisely what you said..that the catholic church was the ONLY church to fulfill the scripture you gave, then you listed a bunch of 'good works' the catholic church has documented as doing.. and used that as your argument.

So, if you dont want me to respond to your argument of 'we're better than you because we did these things' (which is a works-based message and is unscriptural) then don't play that card as your argument. On a side note. that arguement is flawed anyway, cos I could rattle of countless other 'churches/denominations' that have contributed to the community through 'works'. You're entirely missing the point my friend it's not about temples, gold sceptors and good works for show. If you believe it is, you are sorely mistaken.

 

[chesser]

(hint it is operated by Matt Slick)

That guy is the spitting image of an american christian fundie. (Biblical literalest, unless you hold to my exact beliefs you arent christian, tradition over what bible says, etc.)