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It seems ridiculous to me that "Christians" (not imply that all are unsaved, most aren't though) base their reasons for believing in evolution, and not the bible, on the belief that science "disproves" the what the bible clearly states. They go on to make statements mocking those who choose to believe God's word and the very word of God itself WHILE PROFESSING FAITH IN CHRIST!
My question is, if your going to not believe the bible because science disproves it, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU BELIEVE IN SOMEONE RISING FROM THE DEAD??!! (I write in caps out of astonishment, not anger btw.) Science disproves that, doesn't it? Maybe im ignorant.
Romans 4:18-21 -
18In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” 19He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb. 20No distrust made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, 21fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.
This is the attitude of a true believer. Abraham did not say "science clearly proves that I can't produce offspring when im nearly 100!" And so choose rather to distrust God. Look, the faith sufficient enough to believe the gospel is faith sufficient enough to believe ALL of scripture "WITHOUT HOPE". I'm not writing this to non-Christians -they are going to hell anyways, mind as well look smart going. I am writing to professing "christians" who somehow can believe in a seemingly illogical trinity, the gospel of a ressurection, heaven and hell and angles, but not when it comes to evolution. I don't believe that is true saving faith, true saving faith is a faith that believes all of what God says, not just some of what He says and makes him out to be a lair.
1 John 1:10 -
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
There is a principle there that making God out to be a lair when he says something proves his word is not in us.
Take it or leave it.
My question is, if your going to not believe the bible because science disproves it, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU BELIEVE IN SOMEONE RISING FROM THE DEAD??!! (I write in caps out of astonishment, not anger btw.) Science disproves that, doesn't it? Maybe im ignorant.
Romans 4:18-21 -
18In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” 19He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb. 20No distrust made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, 21fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised.
This is the attitude of a true believer. Abraham did not say "science clearly proves that I can't produce offspring when im nearly 100!" And so choose rather to distrust God. Look, the faith sufficient enough to believe the gospel is faith sufficient enough to believe ALL of scripture "WITHOUT HOPE". I'm not writing this to non-Christians -they are going to hell anyways, mind as well look smart going. I am writing to professing "christians" who somehow can believe in a seemingly illogical trinity, the gospel of a ressurection, heaven and hell and angles, but not when it comes to evolution. I don't believe that is true saving faith, true saving faith is a faith that believes all of what God says, not just some of what He says and makes him out to be a lair.
1 John 1:10 -
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
There is a principle there that making God out to be a lair when he says something proves his word is not in us.
Take it or leave it.
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Yeah I hear people say that, but it would beg the question "what is or isn't symbolic?" it wouldn't have to be only in matters of science, but morality as well. We could just say "oh, it's probably just symbolic," whenever we disagree, it's a very subjective method. Then we mind as well throw our bibles away. Don't get me wrong, what your saying is not outrageous, at all, but as a Christian i just think it would lead to many problems..
Another possibility and historically a very popular and theologically sound view until about the 1800s when fundamentalism began. Some very famous early Christian theologians such as Augustine of Hippo or St. Augustine specifically stated in their writings that the idea of literalism to be unreasonable. Philo, a Jewish scholar from around the time of Christ wrote similar ideas down.
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It would make sense that it's symbolic though.
Let's turn both of our arguments into hypotheses.
Fundamentalist creationism:
The only evidence is the bible and its theory conflicts with major scientific findings. Also, the theory will not change with time as it has a set conclusion. Maybe time travel will prove it though, I'll let you know when I get hold of a time machine.
Evolutionism (Theistic, Deistic, Atheistic, whatever):
Based on scientific evidence which constructs a theory that can change over time.
I currently stand at atheistic evolution, but everyone to their own.
Let's turn both of our arguments into hypotheses.
Fundamentalist creationism:
The only evidence is the bible and its theory conflicts with major scientific findings. Also, the theory will not change with time as it has a set conclusion. Maybe time travel will prove it though, I'll let you know when I get hold of a time machine.
Evolutionism (Theistic, Deistic, Atheistic, whatever):
Based on scientific evidence which constructs a theory that can change over time.
I currently stand at atheistic evolution, but everyone to their own.
Yes, but it goes back to the statement I first made:
that there are many instances in the bible where we are faced with believing God over what is thought to be not so.
That is why I cited the passage about Abraham. The threat of being labeled ignorant, or brainwashed, or simple minded (or whatever) from the scientific community is one I am willing to take in order to follow the example of Abraham (and any other patriarch) who believed God's words rather than man's understanding. I genuinely believe the bible over modern scientists when truths conflict though, you may call it brainwashed (I don't mean you [Willot], I mean whoever), I call it the regenerated mindset. Nevertheless, it do not want nor need the approval of men, but God.
that there are many instances in the bible where we are faced with believing God over what is thought to be not so.
That is why I cited the passage about Abraham. The threat of being labeled ignorant, or brainwashed, or simple minded (or whatever) from the scientific community is one I am willing to take in order to follow the example of Abraham (and any other patriarch) who believed God's words rather than man's understanding. I genuinely believe the bible over modern scientists when truths conflict though, you may call it brainwashed (I don't mean you [Willot], I mean whoever), I call it the regenerated mindset. Nevertheless, it do not want nor need the approval of men, but God.
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I believe in evolution. I believe that god's shaped it and started it all but I have problems believeing that the world is only like 6000 years old and that it's alway been the same. I'm a bit of a skeptic if i'm honest. I haven't seen a healing done before but even if I saw one i would have problems believing it's authenticity. It's just how my brain works with logic and evidence and all that. That's my opinion
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My personell opinion is that all christians should believe the bible and not believe in evolution. Otherwise you are you are customizing the bible into what you want to believe and what you don't want to believe. If your finding things hard to believe in the bible, you should trust God nd have faith in him.
Notice you are quoting only Old Testament verses. We are Christians, we are under the New Testament covenant. we are not old testament jews living in a theocracy. It seems like your getting your theology from Richard Dawkins and not the Apostle Paul and historical Christian orthodoxy. even though your profiles states your a christian, im not challenging that.
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When it comes to rules I do believe to love god and your neighbour over all the other stuff. And I agree as Christians we believe in the new testament covenant. My point was that we all customise in a way which bit we do follow and read into. We don't spend that much time looking over the old testament and if we were fundamentalist then those would be some of the things the bible tells us about. That's all I was saying about the customisation point.